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16:24 / 19.05.04
Our secondary school was about eight miles away, and we had buses which went round about fifteen villages picking up everyone who went. I don't think I ever saw anyone going by car, except when they were late or going home early (ie. ill.).
Same thing for Junior High when I was there for a while. Why did school buses disappear? I know it's got something to do with Thatcher, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
 
 
Sobek
16:26 / 19.05.04

I do not like places that are not inside buildings. Being in a car is sort of a compromise.

And I am far too old to ride a bicycle, anyway. It would be undignified.
 
 
Opps!!
17:12 / 19.05.04
Ready for the capatilist conspiricy idea:
The 'drive' (no pun intended) for everyone to own a car is an integral part of the capatilist dream of people who dont have any contact with others as they live alone (zero human interaction), drive to work (ditto), sit in their office cubical (possible interaction in lift, toilet, at coffee machine, etc. but limited), return home by car and fill their empty lives with television, surrounded by the objects of desire sold to them to make them feel better.

Two other points:
1) look at people driving in cars and see if any of them are smiling. I've never seen this so owning a car can't be that good
2) what aout the fact that oil reserves will be fucked in 20-30 year anyway. Is this mother nature's revenge on the motorcar?
 
 
Char Aina
17:40 / 19.05.04
cyclists taking kids to school need only spend £149.99.
you will be fitter, and far more hardcore.

there's also this to benefit the mild agoraphobia mentioned upthread.


yes, both will make you look a little odd.
no more odd than a grown man in a smart car, mind.
 
 
pornotaxi
18:03 / 19.05.04
i've cycled my way around for so long now, and come close to death often enough, that i can no longer view urban motorists as sentient. the cagers are little more to me than a demonic subspecies borne of selfish greed and pathetic fear. i sneer conceitedly at their void ridden faces and spit on their abominable vehicles.

it's not enough to ban private car ownership in an urban environment. the entire subspecies needs wiped out along with it. fortunately, they're already doing a damned good job of getting there, as quickly as possible.
 
 
bitchiekittie
18:17 / 19.05.04
I love to drive.

wait, I don't think you understand the weight of my words, lost as they are amongst all of these other passionate and seemingly much more meaningful statements:

I
LOVE
TO
DRIVE

the bigger point being that there are MASSIVE amounts of money to be made in parking garages. by the garage owners, by the goverment by way of the scads of licensing required and grount rent, by the towing company taking away the naughty cars and the garage owners again. tourist losses! and, as mentioned, the meters, parking tickets and other driving-related fines, etc etc etc.

money talks, conservationism and good sense walks!

plus we really, really love to drive.
 
 
Char Aina
18:32 / 19.05.04
yup.
wide-on for petrol.
get a computer game.
 
 
Sax
06:02 / 20.05.04
Having a relatively undersized cock, I need my car more than most.
 
 
Z. deScathach
07:23 / 20.05.04
One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is exactly WHAT the objections to cars are. If it is traffic, that can only be dealt with by reducing private car use and moving toward public transport. If it is pollution, that CAN be dealt with in other ways. Petroleum is not as necessary to running a vehicle as the oil companies would let on.

A lot has been said about cycling as an alternative. Due to my injuries I cannot cycle, and while there are bikes that I could use with my disability, i.e., recombanents(sp?), they are rediculously expensive, (they cost 5 to 7 times more than a regular bike).

OH, btw, I don't drive. At all. I never learned how or got a drivers license, (don't ask, you don't want to know). Before anyone looks upon that with approval, I must say one thing. Not a single thing in my life has contributed to it being crappy as not having a driver's license. Will I eventually get one? You betcha. That having been said, I sympathize with those who believe that the automobile should be banned. And if you do not drive FOR ANY REASON, I respect your opinion . Still, the idea of everybody being forced to walk everywhere like myself, (I have developed plantar fasciitus, the doctors say that my feet are wearing out, it's excruciatingly painful, but I've learned to use it as a meditative object), does have it's appeal. Oh BTW, snarky am I.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
07:54 / 20.05.04
Most of the objections have been implied at various levels. Mainly they focus on two elements of cars. One is the pollution, the other is volume. While some complain of the actual drivers I find that, realistically 95% of all drivers are just fine, even in London. Their position in the road may leave something to be desired but that's hardly an offence. It's the remaining 5% that need to be shot on site.

Yes, recumbents do cost a lot, but one would still pay for itself over the long-term. If you have an injury related disabilty, have you considered going for a grant to offset costs. I understand that they can be obtained with a little skilled business casing and some patience/persevereance.
 
 
Z. deScathach
11:28 / 20.05.04
Unfortunately, in the US,such grants are not available. I think one thing that has to be realized is the diffence between the grant structure of the US, and the UK. I have to confess that I don't know what it is like in your country, but in ours, medical care is considered a privelage and not a human right, (we do not have universal healthcare). We have only just begun to provide prescription medicine coverage for our elderly. You have to jump through a lot of hoops here even to get a wheel-chair.

The reason that I was snarky, was that I've grown tired of the argument, "Look at what those nasty people are doing there, we should force them to stop", when no one seems to want to look at the issue of raising kids to be socially responsible. If I get the money to purchase a hybrid, I would do so. As far as myself, since I'm a city rat, (that is stuck in the country, damn....), I would not consider buying an SUV. Still, there are people in my area that could not do without SUV's. I live in the northern portion of the United Staes, and snows that are measured in feet rather than inches are not uncommon here. The solution is to instill in children a sense of caring about how their actions effect others. Bans and restrictions help nothing, and only increase governmental control at a time when governmental control has become almost frighteningly over-bearing as it is. Again, this may have to do with my living in the states. I would be in favor of a ban on non-hybrid cars. An SUV that is hybrid has just come out in the states, and I can see no logical reason to keep non-hybrid vehicles. Hopefully, hydrogen fuel cell technology will reach a point where we can abandon the hybrids. Asking people to walk or cycle wherever they go is unreasonable, as governments, (at least where I live), are and would be unwilling to pay for transportation alternatives. In the place that I live, conservatives are successfully getting rid of mass transit. This will necessitate my moving, if it occurs. (Although that's not heart-breaking, see my post in the "Miserable Thread"). And before anyone tells me that I should get active with that, trust me, I have been, and will be. Unfortunately, the majority of people are in favor of removing mass transit, as it costs them in taxes. The bottomline is that people are unwilling to do the "right thing" on this. That may seem to support a ban, but think about it. No politician will do this. It's telling that presidential challenger John Kerry is successfully getting bashed simply for having proposed a gasoline tax. Of course, in the states, the high price of gas is going to get some people thinking about hybrid vehicles, and transportation alternatives as well. My point is, the problem isn't law, it's people.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
11:50 / 20.05.04
I think the main thrust of this thread has been that cars be removed from urban centers as this is where they cause the most issues in terms of congestion and pollution. I doubt you would find may people here who would find it generally reasonable to remove personal transport from rural areas.

As for MT, well the more people on a bus the less in their own vehicle that is bigger than a bus seat. Whilst being a cyclist, I'm also a very ardent supporter of public transport.

As for proposing a culture shift, yes I did propose that, in my first post on this thread. In fact I noted that ti would be a more worthwhile endeavour than the logistical/punative measures that have thus far failed to improve the current traffic conditions to acceptable levels.
 
 
pornotaxi
15:16 / 20.05.04
One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is exactly WHAT the objections to cars are.

conjestion, pollution and erosion of natural resources and environment are the obvious objections.

however - exorbitant housing costs, lack of local employment, the crushing of community spirit, resultant alienation that allows the worst of consumer capitalism to multiply unchecked - the list goes on and on. it seems to me that these problems are all directly influenced by car culture. not the cars themselves, but the people who drive them.

so what's the solution? you give the fuckers one chance to hand in their car keys, and deal with their loss. if they don't accept the opportunity, we open up the death camps.

i can't be alone in coming to this conclusion.

the culling is coming.
 
 
Z. deScathach
00:06 / 21.05.04
however - exorbitant housing costs, lack of local employment, the crushing of community spirit, resultant alienation that allows the worst of consumer capitalism to multiply unchecked - the list goes on and on. it seems to me that these problems are all directly influenced by car culture. not the cars themselves, but the people who drive them.

Yes, I would agree with you that the culture of the automobile is a major offender with this, and it is undeniably true that capitalism is tied up in it. In the states, SUV's are agressively marketed to persons that don't need them whatsoever.

so what's the solution? you give the fuckers one chance to hand in their car keys, and deal with their loss. if they don't accept the opportunity, we open up the death camps.

Hmmm.... interesting solution. It has only one flaw. Presently far to many people have been brought up in the consumerist culture of video games. They will probably shoot anyone that tries to herd them into death-camps.....with rayguns..... probably......
 
 
MJ-12
01:22 / 21.05.04
And you'd have to use trucks to gather people up, which implicitly validates the utility of the internal combustion engine.
 
 
Char Aina
02:23 / 21.05.04
trucks?
make them walk.
honestly, have you never run a death camp before?
 
 
Z. deScathach
03:02 / 21.05.04
Yeah, but chasing them on bicycles? While trying to shoot at the same time? It would never work. Can't you just imagine it? BANG! THUNK! BANG! THUNK!
 
 
Char Aina
05:22 / 21.05.04
how about a combination of cyclists and rollerbladers for guards, with predead-drawn carriages for important personnell, like me?

the occasional rickshaw for messengers and advisors could work too, i suppose.
 
 
Z. deScathach
08:27 / 21.05.04
I am so impressed.......
 
 
HCE
23:28 / 23.05.04
xoc writes: We wouldn't presently be killing Iraqis either if it weren't for the sentimental attachment of Americans to their motor cars.

I disagree. Did Vietnam have oil? We killed quite a few Vietnamese, as I recall. I don't think Korea's got oil, either, but they are on The List as well. There are much, much worse motives at play than sentimal attachment to cars.
 
  

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