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Southland Tales

 
  

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zengarden
07:59 / 12.03.08
It's very weird and confusing, but strangely rewarding. What people may find hard to take it that it portrays an oppressive dystopia that looks like contemporary LA -- reminding me of Starship Troopers and its 90210 take on fascism.
 
 
Freaky Drunk
00:07 / 29.03.08
This film was a mess, but all the while through it I felt like it was always on the cusp of coming together. I never thought it was bad or boring, so I can't say I regret watching it. Maybe it would have worked better as a limited run tv series? I felt like we were missing out on half of each character's story.
 
 
Tsuga
15:40 / 30.03.08
I had hopes that I would find this movie better than so many of the reviews I'd heard made it out to be. But, no. He was trying to make a comedy, but excepting a couple of lines, it failed miserably. The actors for the most part seemed poorly directed, or they were just acting poorly. You can't laugh unless you know what the intent is. He tried to create a political satire, but it was too absurd and the characters were overdone. I don't know how much was him trying to create a live-action version of a graphic novel, but it seems if you're going to do that you have to expect a certain familiarity with the original to get away with it. Some of the filming was good, some of the visuals were engaging, that's about it.
The words "confused" and "mess" have been used often to describe this movie, and I've got to say, they are pretty appropriate.
This post in lieu of:
NOT WORTH MY TIME
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
01:05 / 01.04.08
I am not a real big fan of Richard Kelly's stuff, especially this movie. But I loved tons of things about Donnie Darko.

I think the problem is Richard Kelly's inability to articulate things in a sensible fashion.

I have a semi-clear memory of watching him at the Cannes film festival giving an interview to the press, and the poor guy was just rambling in a very obtuse fashion about the story, politics in America, the aims of the film, etc.

He seems like a writer who can articulate an emotional truth excellently (at times) but who lacks the vocabulary to articulate a story or a more grounded academic perspective.

So while "Donnie Darko" functions well because it articulates a sense of frustration with authority and milks (not in a cynical fashion) the "teenage rebellion and romance"


Him, like me and many of "roughly" our generation and class and background, suffer from over-sophistic tendencies--mostly emerging from the fact that our (white suburban Americans) primary source of "literature" has been film and not actual literature.

So basically, Kelly can express truths and emotions with great technical skill, wit, and energy; but he fails to produce a keenly understandable (or at least clearly structured) works. This is something he could have done had he a greater number of influences other than Kurt Vonnegut and Stephen King.
 
 
PatrickMM
02:12 / 01.04.08
primary source of "literature" has been film and not actual literature.

Are you saying that 'literature' can only be books? There's nothing intrinsically superior about the written word over the filmed image, and it's an outdated societal notion that just because something's in a book it's inherently better or more socially or artistically worthy than a film. That's not to say that Southland Tales is a truly great film, but the medium as a whole can be as profound and powerful as any book, in its own way. I think we need to move past this idea that just because somebody's primary point of reference is movies, they are intrinsically intellectually inferior to people whose touchstone is books.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
03:17 / 01.04.08
No, didn't mean to say something like that. Even though, I would say Cinema can be literary, but it's not literature (the visa-versa is true).

I was saying that had Kelly obviously lacks some of the ability to articulate himself and a more finely-honed style of writing and storytelling that could potentially develop if he had read more poetry and prose (nonfiction and fiction).

He has great sensibility and style, but I find that his work is like someone who is on the brink of saying something smart, revealing, and powerful, but who can't clearly express the thought in such a way to leave you astounded and enlightened or even on task.

This is the opposite feeling I get watching a David Lynch film, which actual seem very literate despite their surreal nature and essentially cinematic narratives (Plus, I trust David Lynch. He won't touch my children in bad ways...).

With Lynch you always feel like you have seen something revelatory (even if you can't express with words what has been revealed); however, with Kelly, I get the sensation is that we (the audience) fall just short of understanding and that the creator falls just short of actually making as strong and as powerful of point as he wanted (maybe he just needs to kill some darlings, though).

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Okay, another side of my dislike of Kelly (which isn't a criticism of his art and not really germane, nice, or mature, but is just my own bias) is that I don't really like guys like him. I think that he inhabits this weird place that is self-satisfied on the surface, projecting this intense sense of confidence and creativity which is really a cover for the areas of his own insecurities about his lack of control and clear ability to express himself.

Have you seen the movie "the Bridge," the documentary about the people who jump off the Golden-Gate Bridge in San Francisco and killed themselves?

In it the filmmakers interview a kid who survived his suicide attempt and who was kept from drowning by a dolphin who happened by him in the bay (something exceptional and amazing in and of itself).

But the kid's own description of the incident is the most pathetic thing in the world. He is boring, unoriginal, and only can access a very limited stable of words and popular culture references to express himself. He is still a likable kid for all that, though (if you get past his vapid quality).

Richard Kelly reminds me of that kid.

I hate that type of kid. I used to be that kid. And in some ways I am still that kid. But I really hate that kind of kid.

The artist who I appreciate all have an exceptional madness or perspective. Richard Kelly and this kid seem to have basically mundane madness and inability to express themselves at a more meaningful level.

That was way too fucking harsh.

No, one better: Richard Kelly reminds me of Kid-without-a-Knife in "Phonogram." Only less cool and fun with ten ounces more self-awareness.
 
 
Nomad93
15:28 / 20.04.08
I am not sure whether I quite understand the oft-tossed accusation of ST being badly articulated, murky, and so on. Of course, it is multi-threaded, of course, it is warped, of course it is very slipstream-ish (to use the literary term) but then again I would imagine that most people have accepted by now that stories can be told in more than one way.

On the other hand, the movie's political edge is very clear and the message (what an old-fashioned idea that is but still, for the lack of a better word ...). Equally clear is its refusal to be entirely-straight faced about certain issues. I think Kelly is brilliantly juggling irony and gravity - the Iraq war and media vapidity, to mention just two of his targets, can be very easily drawn into hopeless pathos - he very successfully, I think, avoids these quarters.
 
 
Mike Phillips
01:31 / 30.06.08
My take (having read the prequel comics as well):

The comics are not necessary to enjoy the film. Yes, ENJOY the film. The comics are actually really good, but I don't even like to think of them as an important part of the film's story. The prequels actually f'ed up my expectations for the film. I love them separately actually. The comics make you think the movie's going to be this killer sci-fi epic with alternate realities and time travel; giving you that Donnie Darko expectation. Then I watched the film, and it doesn't deliver on that front too much.

But the film by itself is very cool. I get the feeling that Kelly's actually poking fun at himself or a writer/director who tries to take on/pontificate about every aspect of (pop) culture and reality TV. Imagine someone sitting in front of their laptop and thinking, "I've got to SAY something about society, damn it!"

Kelly does, but with all of the tongue-in-cheek silliness of someone who knows that to write about it in a serious fashion would be super hard, arrogant, and ultimately absurd to try. So, speaking of absurd, Kelly seems to have decided that the absurdity of American culture was the target.

It's fun, soap-operah-ish, and as cool as the comic prequels but for a different reason.
 
 
revVrob
06:07 / 10.07.08
Holy Shit. You know, the thing is just wildly unique. They just don't make movies this wild and interesting in Hollyweird let alone many other places either.

yes as others have said it is flawed and it doesn't work on certain levels, but whether it is your taste or not no one will deny the thing is super ambitious...
and I gotta say I'd rather watch a really ambitious movie with some failings... than some perfectly executed movie that is just like every other cookie cutter piece of crap that tends to get put out.

If your hip to that... go and get this movie. It is ferikin amazing. Oh man, I really want to see the three hour cut.
 
 
Liger Null
19:56 / 10.07.08
Southland Tales had its moments (Dwayne Johnson was pure eye-candy), but it went on too long and was too dependent on exposition. I agree that the bit with Justin Timberlake lip-syncing the Killers was incredibly stupid and could have been left out entirely. Maybe in its entirety (i.e., with the comic material included) it would have been an entertaining cable TV miniseries.

It works pretty well if you think about it as a Phillip K. Dick parody, which it is, in a way.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
19:02 / 12.07.08
Yeah, but Phillip K. Dick was never that boring...my brain shut-down in several sections of the film and not in that good "there is a bright, twinkly light" sort of way. I fell asleep during it.
 
  

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