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Southland Tales

 
  

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Jack Fear
18:43 / 25.03.06
Three GNs. The complete story is six parts; the first three—the first half of the story—will be told in comics, while the movie comprises the last three chapters.

Still, you can't say the guy's unambitious.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:01 / 27.03.06
i love DONNIE DARKO and multigenre movies so I'm very intrigued and excited about ST; even more after reading the interview. also very interested in seeing how Kelly has "saved" plot info from the movie itself when writing the first half so the comics don't spoil it. the tie-in of different medias is a great, great idea.

but upon seeing those preview pages... he shouldn't have given the artist the screenplays without too much visual guidance, or at least notes on which scene deserved larger panels to help Brett break the story better.

too much dialogue, also, in my opinion, making it all so far a mildly boring read. he should have given them to a writer for proper adaptation. still, I want to read all of those prior to the movie to see where it'll go. I don't want to look like an übber-deconstructivist, but these days I give something even a cursory read and those things come screaming towards me...
 
 
Jack Fear
14:10 / 12.05.06
Richard Kelly finds himself flagged as a terrorist. His presence on a DO NOT FLY list may prevent him from attending Cannes, where SOUTHLAND TALES is in competition.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
14:00 / 21.05.06
Here's the first review, courtesy of Cinematical. The upshot is: pretentious teenagers who listen to Tool and could sit through the second and third Matrix films are going to be stoked, everyone else less so.



Since Donnie Darko insinuated itself into the canon of cult cinema with its much-buzzed Sundance premiere, a failed theatrical release and finally a strong following on DVD, the question has been what writer-director Richard Kelly would do next. Rumors swirled around Kelly's follow-up; it was over two-and-a-half hours long; it was a futuristic tale set in a fascist United States; actors like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Kevin Smith were all signed on to play various roles. It was being backed by Universal, a big change from Darko's indie origins. Now, after a Cannes premiere, Southland Tales has gone from rumor to reality. And the rumors were far more exciting than the reality of the film.

Southland Tales does take place in the near-future -- 2008, to be precise. After a series of nuclear attacks on Texas, the United States is a quasi-police state. The Internet is under federal jurisdiction. All law enforcement has been consolidated into the National Security Agency -- federal, state, even street cops. A new energy source has been discovered, generated by a huge apparatus off the coast of L.A. and beamed wirelessly to homes, vehicles and more. And a 20-million-dollar-a-film action star (Johnson) has emerged from the desert with amnesia and is working on his next film about the end of the world, even as 'Neo-Marxist' agents work to destabilize the upcoming election.

If this seems like a lot to fit in a film, bear in mind that this only scratches the surface of all the things happening in Southland Tales; there's also an adult film star (Gellar) trying to turn herself into a consumer entertainment brand, a man (Seann William Scott) masquerading as his police officer twin brother, and a Iraq war veteran (Justin Timberlake) narrating everything with a God's-eye view through the sights of the machine gun he mans. There's a lot going on in Southland Tales; the problem is that it all goes nowhere. The occasional joke is buried under lead-footed pseudo-scientific gobbledygook; the glimmerings of satire are lost in a dim fog of overacting, or outshined by bizarre, banal directorial flourishes and flawed acting choices.

Part of the problem is that Kelly's approach undermines itself. You could make the argument that the only way to satirize modern life is through the lens of bad science fiction; the problem with that technique is that at the end of the day, you've still got a piece of bad science fiction. Kelly makes oblique references to the work of noted sci-fi paranoid Phillip K. Dick (after a policeman commits two murders, he mutter 'Flow my tears. ...", a direct reference to a title of one of Dick's short stories), whose work has been turned in films from Blade Runner to Total Recall. But a little of Dick-style weirdness goes a long way, and there's a lot of weirdness in Southland Tales -- mad scientists with bizarre haircuts, musical numbers, hallucinations, actors-turned-terrorists who work on their improv skills in the middle of a mission, levitating objects and severed thumbs as black-market voter fraud devices.

The inventions and plot ideas and new characters come as a barrage in Southland Tales, but they don't seem like part of any vision or storytelling method; instead, they seem like the rambling elaborations of a bad liar. When Kelly's finale starts recycling ideas from Donnie Darko -- temporal loops, the word "vessel," the image of a character with one wounded eye -- you stop feeling annoyed by the film and start feeling like you've been cheated: This is what we were waiting for? Sprawling, messy, willfully self-indulgent and incomprehensible, Southland Tales is the biggest sophomore slump for a seemingly indie-filmmaker since Kevin Smith's Mallrats -- and the scope of Southland Tales' failed ambitions and vain pretensions make its failure all the more depressing. I'm sure Kelly felt that he was making a movie about something; along the line, though, it's pretty obvious that he forgot all about the basics of making a movie.
 
 
Sniv
14:22 / 21.05.06
Hmmm, this writer didn't like Mallrats though... don't know if I can trust their judgement, I loved that movie *dodges rotten tomatoes*. All the things the writer mentions as bad points sound pretty fun to me. Breakneck-speed hyper-active sci-fi nuttiness with a song in the middle - meh, sounds like a fun way to kill a couple of hours, in the very least.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
17:44 / 21.05.06
I agree. I'd also like to know how bad acting can both be a dim fog and also outshine something.

I think this is a film that'll probably get buried by an awful lot of critics who've been waiting a little too long for Kelly's new film and were going to attack it no matter what. It's like I've always said. Professional critics cannot be trusted. They're exactly the same as the Nazis. EXACTLY THE SAME.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:35 / 21.05.06
Mallrats is pretty fun and has some exceptionally funny stuff (end threadrot)

I've been hearing about Southland Tales for so long that I'll only believe it's really done when I am sitting in the theater watching it.
 
 
Spaniel
21:25 / 21.05.06
This is what we were waiting for? Sprawling, messy, willfully self-indulgent and incomprehensible

It's this line that worries me, especially in the wake of the DD directors cut.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:39 / 27.05.06
Kelly is unfazed by the horrifying critical reaction to SOUTHLAND, suggesting that he is either extremely secure in his convictions that he's made a good film, or extremely fucking high. Or possibly both.

He admits, however, that it's doubtful the film will get a US release—at least, not in its present form.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:01 / 29.06.06
Well, that didn't take long. Sony has picked up Southland Tales for US theatrical distribution.

Kelly is reportedly working on a new edit. And catch this bit of face-saving...

Producer Sean McKittrick said Kelly took the 160-minute "Southland" to Cannes as an unfinished film. "We're excited to be able to finish it properly," McKittrick said. The filmmakers weren't surprised by the harsh reaction the movie received at Cannes, McKittrick said. "A lot of it was expected, to be honest," he said. "It is a very difficult film, and it's made to push buttons. We didn't expect some reviews to be so personal, but we didn't show it to the audience we made it for."



"I meant to do that!"
 
 
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23:04 / 03.08.07
How haven't I heard of this until now? It's got a release date of 9th November for the US, but I've not seen anything UK related yet, so that sucks big time. The plot sounds unreal, but after looking at a few clips I'm not sure at all what to make of it. There's apparently something called 'Southland Tales: The Prelude Saga' that collects the first 3 parts into one book, so that might be worth checking out first while the UK release is sorted out. (I don't know why they can't get that sorted out faster though so we can know how long we have to wait, and I mean with film releases in general.)

On the musical angle : Kelly described the film, "[Southland Tales] will only be a musical in a post-modern sense of the word in that it is a hybrid of several genres. There will be some dancing and singing, but it will be incorporated into the story in very logical scenarios as well as fantasy dream environments."

So that gets a massive phew from me because when I first saw 'musical' it put me off a lot and made me wonder what the feck was going on. Written and directed by the person that made Donnie Darko though....that makes things a whole lot more interesting, so I have a decent bit of hope for this.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
13:37 / 04.08.07
Sprawling, messy, willfully self-indulgent and incomprehensible

Sums the Prequel trilogy up fairly succinctly.

Which isn't to say I didn't enjoy them. It was quite fun to read, but not because they were actually good. Your standard road traffic analogy fits nicely here.

Quite like the art though, wonderful colourist at least.
 
 
PatrickMM
03:07 / 05.08.07
I'm still really looking forward to this. I'd rather see a crazy self indulgent nonsensical film than a good, but uninspiring straight ahead movie. I watch movies for those moments of perfect filmic cohesion, when everything just converges in a great emotional experience, and even if a lot of this movie fails, I'd imagine there'll be some of those in there. Hopefully all the crazy edges haven't been sanded down by the post Cannes re-editing.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:18 / 11.10.07
Hey hey hey! SOUTHLAND TALES has finally been given a release date—9 November—and a final cut of two hours thirty.

And there's a trailer.

We all knew it was gonna be weird, but I never imagined it'd look this weird.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
14:29 / 11.10.07
Well, for one thing there was more humour in that trailer than the entire comic book. If the whole things that... cheerful? It might turn out all right.
 
 
Tsuga
23:02 / 11.10.07
"It had to be this way."
"I know."

I don't know. I don't know what the fuck to think about that. I suppose I'll have to see it, but looking at that trailer, I'm scared.
It looks well-filmed, anyway.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
23:33 / 11.10.07
The GNs must have been astonishingly poorly marketed, everywhere I've seen this film discussed it takes ages for them to be bought up, and very few people seem to admit to having read them.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
21:02 / 12.10.07
...am I the only person who thought that was a totally awesome trailer, and is now quite unfeasibly excited about this film? Really?

When 'Wave Of Mutilation' started I got a Fight Club moment. It happened in my head, and then travelled straight to to my heart via those parts of the brain that do stuff like that. Plus Rocky's finally ditched the nickname. Maybe now he'll start making good movies. He should really do that.
 
 
Mark Parsons
00:29 / 13.10.07
I also thought the trailers were very interesting. The movie was dogged by such delays and semi-poor word of mouth (WOM) that I had assumed it was somehow cursed/etc.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:38 / 13.10.07
Golly. Wild Palms?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:29 / 29.10.07
Aha Haus, I knew there was something beyond the Brazil-ness of the trailer that seemed familiar. Wait, Wild Palms was the Oliver Stone thing, with all the medfly spraying right? I should check it out again, been a while...

Anyway, I AM excited for ST, simply because I forgot it existed until I saw the trailer. I just finished reading the comics and enjoyed them, nothing groundbreaking but nice setup work I think.
 
 
Mug Chum
22:55 / 29.10.07
It seems odd. A bit too broad while at the same time picking up on nothing really. Those command centers, for example, remind me more of Rocky & Bullwinkle than any Big Brother (or any of its possible satiric interpretations, or -- how I ended seeing it, a satire of a filmic Big Brother thing, now appearing as Big Momma). Or the white-trash 'neo-marxists', or whatever. But that might be what makes the film fun in the end.

From the side of Donnie Darko-ish/Mullholand type of film expectations, I'm really more excited for Anthony Hopkins' "Slipstream" (written and directed by the old creepo cannibal).
 
 
Squirmelia
17:12 / 20.12.07
I saw this today in London.. anyone else actually seen it?
 
 
Tsuga
20:53 / 20.12.07
What did you think, without spoiling it? I'm hoping to catch that as well in NYC, as far as I can tell it's playing in only one theater in the East Village. The lack of release or promotion is pretty sad in itself.
 
 
X-Himy
23:53 / 20.12.07
I saw this a month or so ago, and I honestly regret it. I've heard people say that Donnie Darko was a good movie despite Richard Kelly, and that the director's cut of said movie is a shame. Southland Tales seems to make this point true.

I'm not sure what he was trying to accomplish, but at the very least, Kelly reached further than his skill and abilities. I have a love of those beautiful messes, works that try for something, and don't necessarily reach it, but have something to recommend them all the same. Sadly, Southland Tales isn't one of those movies.

I guess Kelly was trying to go for one of those interconnected sets of stories which set the scene for his world. Instead, most of the stories come off as skits and bits in some awful vaudeville act. At the same time, he tries to go all Lynchian with some strange dream sequences and big symbols. But the tin ear dialogue hamstrings all of that. I sat through most of the movie keeping an open mind, expecting at any moment a stunning reversal, a big mystery reveal, something. Instead, what I got was a load of crap, Justin Timberlake mouthing the Killers (shudder) in a scene that seems to go on for eternity.

There are some fun moments, some decent shots, and funny lines. Unfortunately, I can't tell if some of those lines were meant to be funny, or were just funny because they were delivered/written so poorly. Really, I can't tell if Kelly was trying for a satirical bad movie, or if that's just what it is. And as I said, those moments, those laughs are stuck between a lot of dreck.

I'd like to see the pre-Cannes cut, if I thought I could sit through the movie again. Apparently the sequence at the beginning, where shots of the comic books are used to ham-fistedly explain the setting were a product of poor Cannes reception. I think it wasn't needed, but it still might not have saved the movie. Kelly at the same time manages to be both obtuse and obvious. And they come from his lack of skill in unfolding his 18 plots. So, at one moment, major plot points make no sense (like, why is Justin Timberlake's character even in the movie?", and the next moment, characters are proclaiming plot points that have been obvious for at least twenty minutes.

I went into the movie really wanting to like it, and I was really disappointed. I tried to read the graphic novels, but the less said of those, the better.
 
 
X-Himy
23:54 / 20.12.07
As for lack of promotion, that seems like a smart move on the part of the studios. They know a stinker when they see it. Maybe this movie will attain cult status in years, but probably more as a Rocky Horror callback movie, where people toss time anomalies at the screen.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
00:03 / 21.12.07
Oh, haha, a big screw you for anybody that bought the three prequel books, you can now get the whole shebang oversized for less than what I paid for the three digests.

Does anybody want them particularly, if you pay postage you can have mine...
 
 
Jack Fear
00:20 / 21.12.07
Well, somebody seems sure this thing's gonna be a cult hit: Salon just devoted five pages of prime web real estate to a massive feature article "explaining" the movie.

This strikes me as being a bad sign.
 
 
Tsuga
01:13 / 21.12.07
Why so? Because it may mean that it needs to be explained? They did the same with Donnie Darko, Mulholland Drive, and The Wire.
You're probably right, though. Many things do not bode well here.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:05 / 21.12.07
didn't this come out yet? I thought it came out and sort of bombed already.
 
 
Mark Parsons
22:16 / 21.12.07
There's a useful plot summary (including interpretations of how the book fits in with REVELATIONS) over at Salon.com. It's a subscription site, but they allow you to read if you agree to look at some ads. The same writer also broke down Lynch's MULHOLLAND DRIVE on the same site.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:01 / 22.12.07
Three posts up from yours, chief.
 
 
PatrickMM
02:44 / 22.12.07
I saw the film in a theater with four other people, two of whom left before the film was over. I really liked it, it's a deeply flawed film, with some scenes that bordered on embarassing, but there were also some truly magical moments. The ending sequence on the zeppelin was strong, particularly the inexplicable dance sequence which just worked for some reason. There was a majesty in those final moments, with the ice cream truck and rocket launcher, etc. It's not a film for everyone, but I think there was so much good stuff in the end, it made up for the weaker parts.

But, compared to Donnie Darko, it's a total mess. I'm not sure if more needed to be cut, or more needed to be added, but something didn't work. Either way, give it a look and find out for yourself. I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as it's been made out to be.
 
 
Seth
10:30 / 28.12.07
MY TIME!
 
 
Shrug
01:44 / 12.03.08
*Not a content free bump*
(New and redundant thread created recently so bringing this one to attention)
 
  

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