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Rene Gonzalez writing on Pat Tillman - is this an outrage or is it defensible?

 
  

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aus
02:23 / 30.04.04
Pat Tillman is not a hero: He got what was coming to him

By Rene Gonzalez
April 28, 2004


When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."

But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not someone who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths.

Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.
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Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:51 / 30.04.04
Well, idiot he was, but it does take courage to go into war, even if you're doing it with delusions of not expecting to die.

An alternative view.
 
 
aus
10:52 / 30.04.04
It also takes courage to write an article such as this and allow it to be published. I wouldn't want to be Rene Gonzalez right now, although he's still better off than Pat Tillman. He's probably received numerous death threats among the deluge of hate mail.
 
 
krystal509
13:08 / 01.05.04
I am a prior service member in the military, and I find Rene Gonzalez' article disgusting. If he dislikes the way our country conducts things, he should get the heck out. Go back to the place where 'everybody would call Tillman an idiot', because nobody but him would do that here in the States. It's funny how everyone is so quick to point the finger and look down on us, yet they all want to come live here, earn out money, and get an education from us! Anybody who would put their life on the line (whether we are at war, or not) is someone who is selfless. Unlike Rene Gonzalez, who hides behind his computer, who would NOT put himself on the line. Anybody who serves their country deserves the right to be here and everyone else should just shut their mouths, or at least realize the reason you can get away with saying crap like this is because of the men and women who have died in past conflicts, and also this one.
 
 
aus
14:09 / 01.05.04
Yeah, everyone who disagrees with you should leave the country. That seems like a reasonable solution. Then you could enjoy a nice, one-party state...
 
 
jennywestmark
15:21 / 01.05.04
A message for Rene:

I think you were absolutely right on and Pat Tillman got exactly what was coming to him. After all, that's what he signed up for and those were the consequences of his actions. We shouldn't send people off to war and expect them to come back with no more trauma or sacrifice than going to the grocery store for milk. The way that American people react to the deaths of soldiers and indeed especially to the death of a macho idiot who gave up so much to supposedly "serve" his country is ludicrous and laughable. What do we expect? I mean really, what do people expect. That is the whole point of joining the military, to die first before people in the homeland do. As the wife of an ex-Marine, I know what kind of benefits we pay to the families of soldiers killed and it is really amazing. If we really want to save the lives of our young men and women and save the tax-payers some money, we need to recruit people who understand the consequences of their actions and don't cost us billions of dollars when they die, like they are naturally going to when they are in a combat situation.

I also want you to know that not all Americans are ra ra cheerleaders of the "America is the greatest country in the world" mentality. I myself have had problems with American politics and hypocrisy since I was a small child. Being the daughter of a strict Democrat genius who was active in editorial writing and publishing of his own political ideology, I have always been aware of the amazing bullshit and politics within the beauracracy. It is very sad to me that the average American doesn't stay up to date with the news and especially how big business and politics go hand in hand, and how the very things that they blame other countries, nations, and cultures for actually come about because of the American elite in Washington, yet the coverage of issues that they do see must always blame someone else. Not to mention that religion and media mogules propagate the popularity of that nationalistic pride that most Americans have. It made me sick after the World Trade Center was bombed that Americans started putting flags on everything and bashed anyone from another culture for being "un-American" and a threat to the American way of life. Do they not realize that the World Trade Center was just that? WORLD trade center. People from almost every nation on the globe were in that building and it was not an attack on America. It was an attack on a way of life that billions of people all over the world live by. It was a wake up call and a very loud one at that. It was time to wake up and realize that we have run over too many people and that we are not the impenetrable wall that we thought we were.

I am also sure that many people will attack the fact that you are Puerto Rican, of course, they will say that you are un-American not realizing that Puerto Rico is an American commonwealth. Realize that not everyone is as close-minded and racist. I had a great friend in high school from Puerto Rico. I actually think that you have a better viewpoint than most born and bread Americans because of another cultural background in addition to the American culture. I once had a roommate in college who was a Physician's Assistant with the Naval Hospital in Camp Lejeune (I met my husband when he was a Marine at Camp Lejeune). My roommate was so angry at me for bashing America before and especially after the September 11th attacks because as he put it, "You have never lived in any other country, so how can you compare America to any other culture." Unfortunately, I didn't have a response to that because it is true. I have never lived anywhere else to know what is better or worse, but you have and you have family that knows what it is like, so you have an even better understanding than I do. I am not ignorant and uneducated however, and I stood by my opinions.

By the way, I am a 23 year-old caucasian female, newly married and fresh out of college with a Bachelor's Degree in Business Administration and I majored in International Business. Just know that there are so many young people out here who support you and agree with you every step of the way and we are the future of America, so we can change it.

Good Luck

This is a message for Rene of support should he be reviewing what has been said about him.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:40 / 01.05.04
Dear god. Where to begin, krystal?

While I don't agree with the harshness of Gonzalez's article (he seems almost giddy that Tillman died), I found it strangely ironic that a football superstar is somehow deserving of some grand, jingoistic tribute but giving the same tribute to soldiers who have died in Iraq is somehow controversial and political. Why? Because it's not done in some flag-waving propagandic spin on FOX, supporting a war that the majority of people are losing confidence in? Because TIllman played a nationally televised sport and the other men and women who have died are somehow less deserving in comparison? Gimme a fucking break.

I respect any of the soldiers on the frontline the same as I do any firefighter, police officer, et al. The vast majority of whom are good men and women just doing their job. But I'm not about to put my hand on my heart and sign off on some national crusade just because one gung-ho football player decided to sign up for the trenches.

As for for this: Anybody who serves their country deserves the right to be here and everyone else should just shut their mouths, or at least realize the reason you can get away with saying crap like this is because of the men and women who have died in past conflicts, and also this one. contradicting this: If he dislikes the way our country conducts things, he should get the heck out...no where is there a policy in this country that an individual who has served has a greater voice or clout or standard of citizenship than those who have not. Were that the case, the unethical chickenhawks who have left 700+ Americans dead, exacerbated the terrorist situation and pillaged this country's financial surplus with a vigor that would make a Viking blush, would be silenced automatically by the complaints and protests of men like John Kerry, John McCain and Max Cleland.

Gonzalez may be a cold, heartless twit but to be honest, krystal, I find your hypocrisy regarding these wars, and the men like Tillman who die so needlessly in them, even more disturbing. Einstein was right. Nationalism is an infantile disease. My advice would be to get innoculated as soon as possible. Because given the present circumstances, not doing so could very well get you killed.
 
 
QuickChic95
19:50 / 01.05.04
As a Puerto Rican-American, I am saddened and disgusted with Rene Gonzalez's article. For whatever reasons you have for or against the war,how dare anyone who lives in America call one of our soldiers anything but a hero? In my eyes, Pat Tillman is and will always be a Hero. I love America for everything it has to offer, and thats made possible because of men and women like Mr. Tillman. Mr.Gonzalez shouldn't forget that because of the "Mr. Tillman's" that serve our country, he has the oppurtunity to attend a college, write articles, and have the freedom to say what he feels.I'm sorry Mr. Gonzalez if you don't have the balls to step up to the plate. But I'm sure as hell glad that there are people like Pat Tillman who do. The only "pendejo" I see, is Mr. Gonzalez himself. God Bless America!! God Bless Pat Tillman..an American Hero!!!
 
 
grant
20:54 / 01.05.04
If he dislikes the way our country conducts things, he should get the heck out. Go back to the place where 'everybody would call Tillman an idiot', because nobody but him would do that here in the States.

Well, the problem with that is, see, that the place where "everybody would call Tillman an idiot" is a territory of the United States -- a "freely associated commonwealth." In other words, they're subject to the laws passed by the Congress and executed by the President, but they don't actually have any representation on the federal level. Which is why things happen to them like the United States Navy dropping bombs on them. With what might be called, until fairly recently, unfortunate regularity.

As a result of this and other problems, the citizens of Puerto Rico do keep trying to leave the United States, but the United States won't let them.

So, that kind of history might tend to color one's view towards US military presence in other countries.
 
 
Baz Auckland
03:14 / 02.05.04
Mr.Gonzalez shouldn't forget that because of the "Mr. Tillman's" that serve our country, he has the oppurtunity to attend a college, write articles, and have the freedom to say what he feels.

Are you sugguesting that the military is the only reason that we have civil rights and freedoms? What does the freedom to attend college have to do with fighting in Afghanistan? If the USA wasn't projecting its military might around the world, would we lose our civil liberties?
 
 
Ray Fawkes
03:54 / 02.05.04
Gonzales' writing is defensible, in that any American journalist is free to write op-ed pieces on anything they like - no matter how purely emotional or poorly supported the arguments.

Comments like this:

You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures.

Demonstrate an ugly bias against Tillman, based on his appearance...not anything the man actually said or did. Gonzalez is speaking ill of the dead here, and he doesn't really back it up with any clarifying evidence beyond his personal frustrations about the war and the political climate in America.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:20 / 02.05.04
jennywestmark My roommate was so angry at me for bashing America before and especially after the September 11th attacks because as he put it, "You have never lived in any other country, so how can you compare America to any other culture." Unfortunately, I didn't have a response to that because it is true.

You could have always tried saying that "one doesn't need to have killed anyone to express an opinion that murder is bad".
 
 
LykeX
07:31 / 02.05.04
Ouch, Lady. Nice one.

I must say, although I can understand that some people would see Tillman as a hero, after all he died for his country, I can't help looking at him as an idiot, though. What kind of moron goes out to war, giving up everything, putting himself under the command of others, who are then free to tell him to kill this or that person. Not to mention willingly puts himself in a situation where he is surrounded by people who want to kill him.
If I knew that a certain place a lot of people where waiting who were very mad at me, I would stay the hell away!
I may be coward for that, but I'm still alive. He's not.

If the war was actually defensive, it might be justified, but it isn't. Iraq has never attacked America, and certainly wasn't capable of sending any force to invade you without being spotted on the way and bombed from here to the moon.
They were no threat whatsoever, therefore I can't see why anyone would feel any obligation to go get themselves killed.
 
 
Hieronymus
15:34 / 02.05.04
Actually, LykeX, Tillman died in Afghanistan, in a slightly different theater and context than the war upon Iraq. Despite what the war hawks would have people believe.
 
 
The Prince of All Lies
17:11 / 02.05.04
I'm not from the states or Puerto Rico, so I guess I can talk from a different point of view...
The article was a little too hateful, and the author doesn't strike me as a very intelligent, articulate or open minded person. Nevertheless, there are some good points in there. The stupid US belief that the military is the only thing that protects their liberties is hilarious..the government hawks and the military only care about their stupid, selfish greedy agendas, and while I'm sure most of the footsoldiers are good, decent people, I bet most of them are pretty ignorant and don't know shit about politics, foreign or domestic. The indoctrination they are subjected to in the military is only an extension of all the stupid nationalistic rambo-like propaganda they are fed from the cradle onwards. And I don't think someone who follows orders blindly and gets into a war that was stupid and wrong deserves to be called a hero.
Just my two cents...
and by the way, to the one who basically said that foreign people should shut up and be grateful for being in the states..why don't you grow up and see that the world isn't black and white and that everyone has the right to express his opinion in the "free world" your military so thoroughly and brutally enforces...
 
 
Baz Auckland
17:23 / 02.05.04
Just a thought: If he was really interested in helping people and making a difference as the articles suggest, he could easily have joined the Peace Corps or volunteered in Africa... It's not like the military was the only available option out there...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:24 / 02.05.04
Pat Tillman is and will always be a Hero

I'm sorry but that's nonsense. Pat Tillman was doing a job that was life threatening and he chose to do it, that's not heroic, it's simply a career move that was rather dangerous.

I suspect that Gonzalez is writing with such anger because he's disappointed in America's over-romaticisation of the situation and who could blame him. A simple choice to become a soldier does not make a person heroic, it never will, hero is a word like any other and its misuse is obscene.
 
 
Sir Real
11:58 / 04.05.04
giving up a cushy life to undertake a difficult task which involves risk of life is frequently regarded as heroic. i despise these wars, have found most members of the military(the ones i've met anyway) are laregly slope browed bigots, and the mr. tillmans death is rapidly being used for propagandic purposes. from what i understand it was after 9/11 when he made this decision. hell, as non-patriotic as i am, eveb i wanted to kill some people then. the, admitably prob. biased, testimony of those who knew him suggest he was not the rambo- type that mr. gonzalez imagines. his rantings seem like a bid to make a name for himself. incidently, mr tillman declined all interviews once he made the decision to enlist.
 
 
Sir Real
12:01 / 04.05.04
and i think you misused the word 'obscene.'
i find this misuse gratuitis.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:41 / 04.05.04
giving up a cushy life to undertake a difficult task which involves risk of life is frequently regarded as heroic

But that doesn't mean it is heroic. And frankly I'm rather sick of America using 9/11 as an excuse for everything- it was horrific, I understand that and it was the first foreign attack on American soil since Pearl Harbour blahblah but having grown up in London in the 1980's terrorism is just a bad, real thing. All terrorism, all warfare is an intrusion... so forgive me if I think that going and seeking more fighting isn't exactly the desired reaction. Attacking innocent people because innocent people have been attacked- it's a childish action not a heroic one. I hope that wasn't Tillman's reasoning, it seems to be your reasoning and it's unquestionably nasty. Bombs on the tube have always scared me but they have never, ever made me want to shoot someone with a gun.

Oh and I rather think your grammar is a little awry. Perhaps some upper case letters? The word eveb doesn't seem to be real?
 
 
QuickChic95
16:32 / 04.05.04
Are you sugguesting that the military is the only reason that we have civil rights and freedoms? What does the freedom to attend college have to do with fighting in Afghanistan? If the USA wasn't projecting its military might around the world, would we lose our civil liberties?


Hmm, I wonder where America would be if we didn't have soldiers to fight a war???
 
 
QuickChic95
16:33 / 04.05.04

I'm sorry but that's nonsense. Pat Tillman was doing a job that was life threatening and he chose to do it, that's not heroic, it's simply a career move that was rather dangerous.

I suspect that Gonzalez is writing with such anger because he's disappointed in America's over-romaticisation of the situation and who could blame him. A simple choice to become a soldier does not make a person heroic, it never will, hero is a word like any other and its misuse is obscene.

He's still a Hero in my eyes-no matter what...
 
 
grant
17:50 / 04.05.04
Ted Rall has, probably predictably, weighed in on this subject himself, taking much the same tack as our college paper op/ed writer here. The cartoon was (reportedly) "yanked," so it'll be doing the rounds via email, more than likely.

It's here:



For the record, I'd like to say I don't really agree with Rall or Gonzalez, but I also don't think Tillman was really that much of a hero. I think he did a pretty dumb thing for pretty noble reasons.

But I don't write an op/ed column for a college newspaper, so I don't think my view is necessarily going to get any wide play.

By the way, to the new posters on this thread, Hi! Welcome to Barbelith! Feel free to snoop around and check out the place.
 
 
Sir Real
18:03 / 04.05.04
Anna, nothing in my post suggests that killing innocent people because innocent people were killed was anywhere in my reasoning. That should be clear even (formerly eben, if you couldn't figure that out) without capitalization. I also thought it was clear that I do not support the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Also I think anger was the prodominant emotion in most of the U.S. rather than fear. I have never given a thought to being killed by a terrorist bomb, but I don't live in a target area. And no, anger is no more valid reason to kill someone than fear.
My point is that, right or wrong, it is entirely possible that his primary motivation was to protect his country rather than to shot somebody with a gun. Maybe he was naive, maybe he was ignorant, maybe he just believed it was the right thing to do. I disagree, but i see no evidence to disparage his motivations.
Heroic: Of, relating to, or resembling the heroes of literature, legend, or myth
Obscene: Offensive to accepted standards of decency or modesty
 
 
Sir Real
18:08 / 04.05.04
Thanks grant. And don't you know that proper names are usually capitalized? <---joke
 
 
w1rebaby
19:23 / 04.05.04
I can sympathise with anger, and I can sympathise with the impulse to want to do something about it and defend your community etc etc, and I can sympathise to an extent with seeing the army as a possible means of doing this, particularly given all the past and recent propaganda about 9/11 and the military in general being saviours and protectors rather than, say, the hired killers of the state. I have no idea what Tillman's actual motivations were but there are clearly some people who have been so motivated; for the sake of argument let's give him the benefit of the doubt.

It doesn't really matter though. When someone does something potentially very harmful to other people, there's only so far you can go in excusing their actions because of their noble reasons. Being a "hero" has to be based on more than your motivation; you have to do the right thing for the right reasons, not the wrong thing for the right reasons. I consider joining up to attack people the administration wants you to to be the wrong thing. Therefore I cannot agree that Tillman was a hero.

I can't stand this story because of its straight-faced pious combination of sports worship and military worship, and I'm glad Gonzalez wrote the article as a kick in the arse to that bullshit, but it's valuable because it's provocative rather than necessarily because it's a good argument.
 
 
Sir Real
11:41 / 05.05.04
Very well put fridge.
 
 
&#9632;
23:02 / 05.05.04
Would it be bad form to thow in a me2 here?
 
 
the Fool
00:14 / 07.05.04
To be a hero, don't you actually have to do something heroic? While it might be considered 'brave' or 'patriotic' to give up lots of money to join the army, doesn't becoming a hero require something more? Does anyone who dies in any theatre of conflict automatically become a hero?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:55 / 07.05.04
Anyone who dies of anything gets elevated to hero status after their death because they aren't normally around to complain about how their image is being used. It's not just war.
 
 
diz
17:53 / 10.05.04
I am a prior service member in the military, and I find Rene Gonzalez' article disgusting. If he dislikes the way our country conducts things, he should get the heck out. Go back to the place where 'everybody would call Tillman an idiot', because nobody but him would do that here in the States. It's funny how everyone is so quick to point the finger and look down on us, yet they all want to come live here, earn out money, and get an education from us! Anybody who would put their life on the line (whether we are at war, or not) is someone who is selfless. Unlike Rene Gonzalez, who hides behind his computer, who would NOT put himself on the line. Anybody who serves their country deserves the right to be here and everyone else should just shut their mouths, or at least realize the reason you can get away with saying crap like this is because of the men and women who have died in past conflicts, and also this one.

is it just me, or has Barbelith gone downhill? i usually come here to escape knuckle-dragging fuckwits like this.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
00:06 / 11.05.04
everyone is so quick to point the finger and look down on us, yet they all want to come live here, earn out money, and get an education from us!

Yes, I too have the distinct feeling I am responding to a post by some kind of 7 year old redneck sea-cucumber which has somehow mastered the use of a qwerty keyboard, or is equally miraculously dictating to a similarly skilled octopus.

Terms I find objectionable and, well, fucking laughable in the above extract :"everyone", (excluding me, so obviously not, eh?),"is", (where's your e-prime, krystal? What's that, you say? You've never heard of it? Try Google, it might wake you up to the presence of the. rest. of. the. world.),"us", (who, sorry? Surely you don't mean "us Americans", thereby, in your tiny and wholly unrepresentative little ignorant voice speaking for a diverse nation of an estimated 290,342,554 people (source : the CIA world factbook...Now there's a title to ponder, and ponder again.), "they" (sorry, same sort of confusion here as with the aforementioned "us", are you referring to Jonny Foreigner, the Terrifying Other, the Strange Lookin' Folks with Funny Hair and Skin gnashing and clawing at the shining gates of Freedom, Justice and Apple Pie? Or are you referring to THEM?)

Also, "all", (see "everyone", above), "our", and "us", for reasons that I'm sure are abundantly clear to everyone on the board in possession of more faculties than an underwater vegetable for sucking up sand.

SOrry, does that come across as sarcastic?
 
 
Hieronymus
07:01 / 11.05.04
Heroism? This is my kind of heroism, brother
 
 
&#9632;
07:10 / 11.05.04
This is what happens when we're Googleable, folks. These people might be a teensy bit less liberal than the rest of us, but the world is full of them, so get used to it.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
18:53 / 11.05.04
Teensy bit less liberal I have no problem with. Breathtaking ignorance, on the other hand, does exactly what it says on the tin.
 
  

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