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Gilmore Girls: Lane and Jess should hook up

 
  

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raelianautopsy
23:58 / 28.04.04
I don't know if there's already a thread on Gilmore Girls, but I'd like to start one with this idea.

First off, Gilmore Girls is one of the best shows on right now. I love the mile-a-minute cultural references and how everyone is so unrealistically smart. They make you work to get the jokes.

The characterization is great, and one of the best characters is Lane Kim. But one problem is that she doesn't have much reason to be in the show. Don't get me wrong, the recent drama with her moving out has been great. And it was so powerful when in the last episode she saw her 'replacement' sleep in her bed and visited her sleeping mom. But the problem is that she doesn't seem to have much reason to hang out with Rory (In fact, the writers seem to be struggling to push Rory to even show up in Star's Hollow at all. One of the problems with the fourth season is that they can't decide where the show takes place and it seems to have less focus than when Rory was just in Chilton. Maybe Rory should just spend more time at Yale and they should have more plotlines there). Fact is, Paris is definately now Rory's best friend. Who did she go to Spring Break with? But I love Lane so much and she should still be on the show, or even a spinoff. She should at least have a romantic interest; Dave was great but now he is on the O.C.(I like how they said he went to college in California on G.G.), so she needs to be with someone. And not anyone in her band.

As for Jess, he is also one of the best characters on the show. But even still, the show should look to the future instead of the past and Rory should stop agonizing over Jess and Dean and just go out with Naked Guy or someone. Dean can go out with the Olsen twins. Its a shame that Jess's spinoff didn't work out, I would have watched it. When him and Lane were stranded in Star's Hollow at the same time I thought that would have been a good time for them to get together but that didn't happen. We'll see what happens with Jess in the next episode, but I say the best way to revitalize him and Lane is for them to go out. Think of what great drama that would be with Rory's reaction! Then they can get their own show. Is this a good idea? Is there any way to make this to happen? Should I get a life and not watch so much girlie TV shows?

Comment on this and any other topics you can think off.
 
 
Pants Payroll
01:06 / 29.04.04
I never liked Jess. I was happy to see him go, and disappointed to see him back. Having said that, having he and Lane hook up would throw an interesting wrench into the works. I dont think Jess would go for Lane, though. She's too gregarious. I think he would grow annoyed. Oooh! That's perfect - then he could leave the show to get away from her.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:12 / 29.04.04
You're right, great show. But I'm with Pants, I hate Jess.
 
 
raelianautopsy
06:34 / 29.04.04
How can you hate Jess? The drama of good-girl Rory dating a stereotypical "cool bad-boy" was so great. Jess was always interesting, even if he was a bit of an asshole, but I always liked him.

You at least have to admit he's better than Dean, who has no personality.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:49 / 29.04.04
Dude, who cares about Jess and Rory?!? THEY RAILROADED MAX OFF THE SHOW. By Max, of course, I mean Chris Eigeman's delightful Jason. Hopefully they'll bring him back and Lor's Dad will come out of his Count Doom stupor. What a douche! But Lor's just as bad. "I can't date someone who's suing my father." You're father deserves to be sued, dumbass! He's being a massive cock! I don't really like that gruff diner owner stereotype much either. He's so archetypal, so "always there when you need him" that they should only show him with his face hidden, like John Wayne in Preacher.

But, I do love the Lain (hee hee) storyline a whole lot, although I was hoping that her clandestine night kissing turned suddenly into a madcap misunderstanding involving accusations of robbery in Korean and brandished pots and pans.

I want Rory to end up with Jonathan, Editor In Chief anyway. But he is every geek's reality, and Rory, every geek's fantasy.

Second favorite scarf! Ha!
 
 
Tamayyurt
12:50 / 29.04.04
stereotypical "cool bad-boy"

I think the key word there is stereotypical. And you say that Dean has no personality, which is true but Jess has no personality either and his acting's bad which makes it worse. But really I think the thing that kills the Jess character for me is the mile-a-minute smart talk. It's fine when Dean, Rory, or Lane do it but it just comes off as fake (or forced) when Jess does it.

On a good note: How much of a dick is Rory's grandfather? That's one cold motherfucker!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:55 / 29.04.04
Heh. Just had an image of that scene when Luke's helping Kirk find the eggs in the promenade and if they shot it like Preacher, that he looks up at Luke holding the eggs but its this massive low angle shot, Luke's face in the shadows and just says this booming

HERE YOU GO, PARDNER.

And Kirk is just prostrate, on his knees, tears falling, "I LOVE YOU, LUKE! I LOVE YOU!"

Puts a much more interesting spin on that whole scene.

Come on, it would be perfect. Luke could be this Connecticut Angel Of Rightousness; kicking cars of Philanderers, doling out much needed loan money without a care as to what's done with it, and then fading into the ether when his work is done.
 
 
gridley
13:19 / 29.04.04
A few thoughts:

--Dean used to have a personality. He had one right up until they introduced Jess. From that point on they insisted on writing him like cardboard. The funny thing is that once Jess started dating Rory seriously, he started to become more cardboard as well (although not as bad as Dean). Maybe she just has that affect on guys.

--Lane does need a boyfriend, and I think they're probably setting that up with the current lonliness storyline for her. The question is, what sort of character could possibly deserve to be Lane's boyfriend? Especially since you can't make the new boyfriend too much like Dave?

--I will so miss Chris Eiggmann if he's out of the picture. Hopefully he's not, even though the writers will clearly continue pushing Lorelei and Luke together.

--Does every season end with a wedding? Or two? Last season, we had Dean's wedding (and sort of Luke's). The season before that we had Sooki's wedding. The season before that was Lorelei's almost wedding to Max. Is there anyone lined up to get married this season?
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:25 / 29.04.04
I think part of the reason they got rid of Jason (and this is just my idea) is that they made a good couple. It was fun to see them together and people were forgetting about Luke. He needs to be out of the picture so they can focus of the Luke and Lorilie tension (or, you know, grade school retardation).

I want to be Lane's boyfriend.
 
 
raelianautopsy
17:36 / 29.04.04
Jess is a stereotype, but its a TV show and everyone is a stereotype. Maybe archetype is a better word. I don't find his acting bad at all, I think it works. And everyone on that show has mile-a-minute smart talk, that's what makes it so good.

The drama with Jason and Richard is definately incredible. But I doubt Jason is going to be off the show yet, there is still more plot to develop. Though it doesn't look like him and Lorelei are going to continue to date. And Emily leaving Richard over it! I cannot wait to see what happens next.

And don't we all want to be Lane's boyfriend? But does anyone support my plan for her?
 
 
Pants Payroll
00:20 / 30.04.04
Hey! Woah! Hang on!
"...And Emily leaving Richard over it!"
WHAAAAT?????
Did I miss something? Wait........

I just visited the WB site and realised we're a week behind where I live! The last show I saw ended with Jasons dad and Richard chuckling on the golf course about how they're screwing Jason...

But checked my local listings and see the missing episode is on tomorrow night.
 
 
raelianautopsy
18:30 / 30.04.04
Should their be a Spoiler Warning or anything?
 
 
Pants Payroll
16:31 / 01.05.04
No no no. I'm all caught up now. Watched it last night. I like how Emily didnt say a word. Just walked out of Richards study. Can we assume she just went upstairs and packed, or did they have it out? Dinner was hysterical.

I was uncomfortable with the whole "I cant date someone who's sueing my family" thing. I'm behind Jason on this one. Richard's being a dick. Ha. See what I did there? "Richard"? "Dick"? c'mon. Now she's being unreasonable, too. Anyway, her breaking up with Jason is just a thin plot point to keep her character "unlucky at love".

Am I the only one that was a little creeped out by Lane sneaking into her mothers house and kissing her while she slept? I guess it was supposed to be touching, but....bleh.

The sooner Sebastian "Skid Row" Bach is off the show the better.

Nice to see Sookie back injuring herself at work again.

Also nice to see they finally let MIchael York have some dialogue!
 
 
raelianautopsy
00:48 / 06.05.04
Well nothing much happened in this week's episode, other than the setup for what hopes to be an interesting next episode. One of the problems with the fourth season is that it is juggling around too many subplots. This episode didn't even have Richard and Emily in it, who are partaking in the best dramatic plot of all. Apparently Jason is gone forever, but don't we deserve to at least see the fallout of him and Lorelai's breakup from his point of view?

So now Luke is now going to profess his love to Lorelai. Is this good? It was always best when they had that sexual tension and jokily flirted, but a full-blown relationship just doesn't seem to be as good for the show. This was probibly inevetable, but it was better back when this was a perpetually just a future inevetability and not when its actually here. We'll see.

And more Jess. As cool as Jess is, Rory has to stop having this triangle with him and Dean when she has long since broken up with both. The show needs to look towards Rory's future and not her past. Give her some more history before the old boyfriends are brought back around. Not to mention she should eventually have sex. She is 19. She is somewhat of a nerd, but is this a TEEN drama or not? The problem is that the show is too much about Lorelai's life and not Rory who should be more of the star.

(and of course having Jess date Lane would be a good way of mixing things up in both keeping the characters fresh and having Rory go ahead and date a new guy)

Don't get me wrong, I still love the show. Just some constructive criticism, even though the creators will probibly never see this.
 
 
gridley
16:05 / 07.05.04
I guess Lane dating Jess would be good for creating some conflict between Lane and Rory which would be good.....

Something will happen to split up Luke and Lorelei, don't worry... the writers have to be smart enought not to let them get together for long.
 
 
raelianautopsy
00:51 / 13.05.04
Another episode and no indication that this thread's title has any point. Something else, Jess and Lane are both connected through Luke's diner, but you never see them interact.

I love how Jess has grown up in this episode. It was funny with the whole self-help book (reading it under a Punk Planet) and all that. If this is the last we see of him, their is definately great closure for the character. Hugging and apalogizing to Luke and the scene with him and Rory was very powerful. The last part could have had more dialogue to clear things up, but I suppose Jess is a man of few words. I was rooting for him, but even still its great closure if he's gone for good.

Luke and Lorelai comming together was also surprisingly well done. We'll see what happens.

But the best part is always the preview of the next episode. Is Rory going to have sex with Dean? If she just makes out with him it won't have the same dramatic impact. Geez, this will be a good season finalle.

My own prediction: (or how I want it) Dean and Rory sleep together, and Rory has such an emotional breakdown over the guilt that she takes up Jess's offer and lives with him for the summer, until the next season. That would be uber-dramatic.
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:35 / 19.05.04
Dean and Rory sleep together, and Rory has such an emotional breakdown

Right on! And I'm also really glad the second half of your prediction didn't come true. It finally looks like we've seen the last of Jess.

And the Luke thing would've been cute if he didn't have to turn everything into a fight. That guy's a troglodyte.
 
 
gridley
13:25 / 20.05.04
I was glad to see Jason in that episode. This puts both of the Gilmore Girls in a love triange, possibly Emily as well (though that's merely conjecture).

I get my money's worth on any episode that gives so much screentime to Kirk.
 
 
PatrickMM
03:09 / 23.04.06
Anyone still watching? I saw the whole series on DVD last summer and really enjoyed it. Season five was my favorite of the show's run, particularly the final few episodes.

Season six hasn't been quite as strong as five, but last week's episode was excellent. Lorelai's breakdown at the wedding was one of the most difficult scenes to watch in the show's whole run. Even though the introduction of April was a bit contrived, it's led to a really interesting story for Lorelai.

But, I was not happy to hear that Amy Sherman-Palladino will be leaving the show. She really was the auteur of the show, so it'll be tough to move on without her. It's an odd situation because she wanted a two year renewal, and left when they wouldn't give it to her. I'm not sure if that was just an excuse to get out, because the easiest way to get to an eighth season would seem to be a well done seventh season.

More importantly, I'd have rather seen her bring the show to a close than just let it go on indefinitely, or crash and burn under the new management team. I am happy that the show's still going to be around, but it'll be tough to move on without her.
 
 
matthew.
04:22 / 23.04.06
I haven't seen any of the current season, but as I understand it, some sort of random daughter of Luke has entered the picture, thus stalling the wedding. Lorelai and Luke need to get a move on with this wedding, or Lorelai will get panicky, like she did last time to Max.
 
 
PatrickMM
06:17 / 23.04.06
Yup, there was a rather random daughter appearance. Her introduction wasn't handled so well, but it's led to some interesting stuff. And you're pretty much right in assessing what's up with Lorelai. I'd definitely reccomend checking the season out, lot of really interesting stuff going on.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:06 / 23.04.06
Whilst I still watch the show regularly, it's striking me as more and more contrived, drama-wise. Falling into the trap of The Jim From The US Version Of The Office Glance, used predominently by Lorelei in this season. "Oh. You're hanging out with your daughter. No problem." GLANCE. It's like, seriously, get over it. Compared to her other suiters, Luke is impeccable. He's trying to build a relationship with a daughter he never knew about. Not everything is about Lorelei, Lorelei!

And Logan Huntzberger. No. No way. Never.

The show should really just suck it up and become the Lane Show, as that's where all of its strongest and most interesting characters reside. No Kirk. No Suki. No Michele. (Oh, God, please no Michele.)

Yet, I will continue to watch, but I am growing increasingly disinterested. Not enough Grampa Gilmore either. He's the business.
 
 
PatrickMM
17:37 / 23.04.06
You're right, that Luke clearly is the best of her guys, but the issue with the storyline seems to be their lack of communication, something that Emily talked about when she was hanging out with the girl she thought was Luke's daughter. It's ridiculous that Lorelai wouldn't be introduced to her, but neither her nor Luke will address that fact. To some degree, it has been the same plot for ten episodes or so, with those glances. The whole season has been about how the characters let these issues fester under the surface, rather than address them. It's the same thing with Lorelai and Rory's feud.

But, I'd definitely agree about the Stars Hollow townspeople. Other than Lane and Zach, they all just do the same comedy bits every time they're on. At this point, I feel like it must be awkward for the guy who plays Michel to even be on set, because he so clearly has no point on the show, yet they throw him a scene every once in a while because he's under contract. Go for more Lane and more Gilmore family.
 
 
matthew.
23:08 / 23.04.06
Knowing Lorelai, she'll get jealous of this daughter and take it out on Luke. I'm just thinking of ways to have Luke and Lorelai break up; it's unevitable.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
02:27 / 24.04.06
It's not that ridiculous, honestly. It seems pretty clear in the depiction of all these relationships that Luke is acting with cautious rationality and Lorelei is acting with unfounded irrationality. As far as Grandmoms G goes, maybe someone who was set to buy a plane in a fit of life dissatisfaction isn't your Go To Gal for advice.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
18:12 / 24.04.06
See, I was the biggest champion for Luke--I was all like, "Seriously, this guy loves no matter how big of a freak you are!!"--and now this season, with the introduction of a daughter (which I think is crap, BTW), he's become this shell of a man that I no longer find compelling. And that sucks.

I really really dislike Logan. I mean, really. Gah, stupid rich boy with a supposed heart of gold...bring back CuteDean!

Oh wait, he's fighting monsters now. Damn.
 
 
matthew.
03:01 / 25.04.06
Or better yet, bring back Chad Michael Murray for a temptation. He was a very fascinating facet of the school during the first two(?) seasons.
 
 
gridley
14:12 / 25.04.06
I think I actually like Logan more than I like Rory these days. He's clever, he's flawed, and he's fun to watch. And I really believe in his love for Rory. (Plus, it floored me that I hadn't realized the similarities between him and Rory's dad until the show pointed them out.)

Rory, on the otherhand, often comes across as a bit too superhuman in her abilities and more than a little distant emotionally. Some of that's the writing and some of it's probably Alexis's acting, which never quite gets there for me. She's great when she's being fun and chipper and spouting the pop culture references, but I don't really believe her more emotional moments.

I agree that the Luke's daughter storyline is a bit of a dud, but if it leads to them breaking up and Luke having to leave town (as per his pact with Taylor), I'll put up with it. Maybe I'm too mean, but I just don't want to see Luke and Lor living happily together.
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
17:05 / 25.04.06
It wouldn't make for as nearly interesting telly, would it?

Nothing can convince to like Logan, though. I liked Marty, even though nice guys always finish last.
 
 
gridley
19:35 / 25.04.06
This blogger did some digging to find out about Dave Rosenthal, the new showrunner who's replacing Amy Sherman-Palladino.

Interesting reading, but it certainly doesn't give me high hopes for the future of the show. Apparently he wrote the episode that will air tonight.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:05 / 26.04.06
he's [Luke] become this shell of a man that I no longer find compelling. And that sucks.

I think yesterday's episode did a good job of clarifying Luke's thought process about April during most of the season. It's perfectly logical that he would feel threatened by the idea of Lorelai forming a Rory like bond with April, leaving him on the outside. That may be indicative of some jealousy he feels about what Lorelai has with Rory, and on a more immediate level, it shows that he's clearly self conscious about his cold persona.

It was a nice reversal because the story was told from Lorelai's point of view for so long, it was easy to dislike Luke, but with one line, we're made aware of what was going on with him, and why he made the choices he did.

I think it's a bit ridiculous the way Anna treated Lorelai after, the emphasis on engagement vs. marriage was a bit too on the nose, but it does seem like the kind of thing that Lorelai herself would have done back in season one. I don't remember exactly what went down with her and Madchen Amick, but there was definitely some animosity. The physical similarity between Lorelai and Anna was striking, clearly Luke has a type.

And seeing that mole near Sherilynn Fenn's eye took me back to the days of Twin Peaks.

Gridley, I'd definitely agree about Rory. I hated a few episodes ago when they had Lorelai and Christopher go to Rory's debate with the other newspaper editors, a scene that existed basically to show how great Rory is. That's not particularly interesting viewing. It was more of an even split back in the early years, but now Lorelai is by far the more interesting character, and Rory's stuff is more background.

I feel like Rory's only interesting when she's being bad. All of season five was strong, from sleeping with Dean to dumping him for Logan to stealing the boat. The basic conflict there is that she feels like she's a "good girl," so even if she's doing something that's morally wrong, when she's doing it, it must be right. So, when she has an affair with a married man, it's not wrong because she loves Dean.

Things become uninteresting when we see her getting everything together and being the good foil to Logan's bad self. The fun of the season five Logan stuff was to see him push Rory to do stuff she usually didn't do. I even liked the happy couple Rory and Logan from the middle of this season, but now we've got a Rory who is together, and taking the moral high ground with Logan. That's just not as interesting to watch.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:05 / 27.04.06
I think it's a bit ridiculous the way Anna treated Lorelai after, the emphasis on engagement vs. marriage was a bit too on the nose, but it does seem like the kind of thing that Lorelai herself would have done back in season one. I don't remember exactly what went down with her and Madchen Amick, but there was definitely some animosity. The physical similarity between Lorelai and Anna was striking, clearly Luke has a type.

This is exactly where the show shot itself in the foot after a brilliant half hour of righting itself completely. Drama based on other peoples' irrationality totally bites.
 
 
gridley
13:14 / 01.05.06
Was anyone else troubled by why Luke had so many sleeping bags in his apartment?
 
 
Kali, Queen of Kitteh
13:59 / 01.05.06
Because the bodies are stored in the diner's freezer.

What? Did you think Luke was all innocent? :-p
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:56 / 01.05.06
It first he was going to kill Kirk first...now he has to watch while he kills the rest of Stars Hollow. Starting with Tyler...

The final shot of the Season Finale:

A couple whose car broke down makes their way in the rain to town. They brush off the ivy from the sign in the road, only to find:

STARS Hollow
Founder
H.P. LOVECRAFT

BUM BUM BUMMMMMMM!!!!!
 
  

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