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The "Did not find 'The Invisibles' to be a huge headfuck" support group.

 
  

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Char Aina
21:38 / 20.04.04
i too liked zoolander.
zoolander was the best dumb comedy since happy gilmore, itslef the best dumb comedy ever.
super troopers also qualifies for a special mention.


so.
i hated sandman, is that cool?
can i still get the doughnuts and coffee?
 
 
illmatic
07:56 / 21.04.04
Maitreya: No

Never mind the fact that no one else likes it, no one responds it, no one else is fucking interested in it? Half witted strings of psychedelic and cyberspace cliches with no original thought or critical input from you apart from some pics you found on Google? Why should Barbelith act as "Care in the Community" for you just 'cos you're a bit bored?
 
 
illmatic
08:06 / 21.04.04
With my apologies for the thread rot. Things getting heated in the support group.
 
 
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10:23 / 21.04.04
Never mind the fact that no one else likes it, no one responds it, no one else is fucking interested in it? Half witted strings of psychedelic and cyberspace cliches with no original thought or critical input from you apart from some pics you found on Google? Why should Barbelith act as "Care in the Community" for you just 'cos you're a bit bored?

no.


Half witted strings of psychedelic and cyberspace cliches

Who the fuck are you today Illmatic? You got problems or something? Take it easy man.

What happened is that the first thread i posted got replies straight away but the images where posted from Geocities, so fridgemagnet linked me to the wiki where it said that Geocities don't allow images to be linked back to their accounts, so i changed everything over to Angelfire and re-posted it, and after that, the replies to it more or less stopped and the original thread was deleted at my request.

After that i've had PM's from three people saying that they really liked it, or words to that effect. I don't know exactly why they PM'd me instead of posting in the thread, but that's what's happened. I'm just as confused about that as you are. Anyway, it's conversation, freedom to post 'different' types of things, i thought i'd try something that i've never seen before. It was originally a collection of quotes that was going to have links next to most of them to help me have notes and inspiration for the book i'm trying to write but i thought i'd do that and then post it here for something to do. Free will and all that shit. I don't know what your major problem is with me, maybe you should post back here and tell me, you seem like a pretty wound up person.

Chill the fuck out, man.

Why should Barbelith act as "Care in the Community" for you just 'cos you're a bit bored?

It's Barbelith man, i like the place. I didn't just 'stumble' across the link whilst surfing the net, i found this place from The Invisibles and wanted to learn about that and Magick, not just 'cos i was a bit bored.'

Anyway, no grudges, i just get the feeling that i've been pissing you off for a while now. I have a wierd sense of humour and can be a prick at times, same as a lot of other people, i'm human.
 
 
_Boboss
10:41 / 21.04.04
'free will and all that shit'

werd.

you free to act like a twint, he free to call your twunt.

'chill the fuck out man'/'you seem like a pretty wound up person'

only to one who's so

zany!
 
 
illmatic
11:12 / 21.04.04
Going back to my post above, the most relevant part is the in it is the "critcal thinking" and "orignal thought" - that's what I object to in the post we're discussing. I like Barbelith a lot - I'm probably far too attached to it, if the truth be known - and the stuff I like best on here, why I read it, what really inspires me, is that which is new and original and has something fresh to say. I'm talking about the best posts in Temple, Headshop - stuff of a high standard of reasoning, things that are well thought out, erudite witty - all of which you you see all over the board. I apologise for the abuse but I don't see that in your post. I think if you see links between the Invisbles, Buddhism, the Matrix etc - there may be potentially room for a thread discussing, drawing out ideas and similarites. Just slapping together a load of images and quotes with no explanation is a bit boring.

I concede it's very unfair of me to wail on you for a conversation thread - it's an open area after all. But I think this is what - the third time? - you 've posted something rahter random, and it just starts to get a bit wearing. Can you not see how I - and a number of other posters - get frustrated when someone posts going "yeah, Ganesh! Kkkkkooollll ,man!!"? Why not do some reading, research or even practice related to Ganesh - y'know reallly think about it, engage with the subject - and post your results in a way that's going to encourage dialogue and discussion. Try and add something to the board which other people are going to find interesting and useful to read. At my most charitable, I find the thead under discussion, simply a list of things which inspire you. At it's worst, it's psychedelic spam. Again, apologise for the abuse, but that's the effect these continual random posts have on me.

(Apologies for the threadrot again).
 
 
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12:31 / 21.04.04
'free will and all that shit'

werd.

you free to act like a twint, he free to call your twunt.


Yeah that's cool Gambit, and i'm free to explain myself aswell. I just thought that Illmatic seemed to be getting a bit overly wound up by what i post.

'chill the fuck out man'/'you seem like a pretty wound up person'

only to one who's so


Yeah i got wound up, Illmatic got wound up, no biggie.

zany!

Yeah.


Going back to my post above, the most relevant part is the in it is the "critcal thinking" and "orignal thought" - that's what I object to in the post we're discussing. I like Barbelith a lot - I'm probably far too attached to it, if the truth be known - and the stuff I like best on here, why I read it, what really inspires me, is that which is new and original and has something fresh to say. I'm talking about the best posts in Temple, Headshop - stuff of a high standard of reasoning, things that are well thought out, erudite witty - all of which you you see all over the board. I apologise for the abuse but I don't see that in your post.

That's cool man, i agree, but in the conversation i like to act daft from time to time, or most of the time, but if i do i try and save it for a thread i make myself. What i'd do in your position is just think something like 'Oh he's being a twat again, big suprise' and not get wound up about it or post in the thread. Every site has a few people who post nonsense, but like i said, i have a wierd sense of humour. If i'm aiming for a high standard of reasoning i go to another forum, like Magick. Ok, i came in there like a total nutter a while back when i joined, but it's my favourite forum, and that's where i try and post when i have something to say. I'm not really into Head shop or any of the other forums, maybe i should broaden my scope of interest or something, but i'm going off the point now.

You won't really find what your looking for if you read my stuff in the Conversation forum, but i hope you can in my posts elsewhere.

I think if you see links between the Invisibles, Buddhism, the Matrix etc - there may be potentially room for a thread discussing, drawing out ideas and similarites. Just slapping together a load of images and quotes with no explanation is a bit boring.

I'm obsessed with all three, and when i read through the post i did with the images, i like it. I wanted to group together images and quotes, without anything said by myself, just to see what it looked like for something to do. It was actually to mix Hod and Netzach energies and obviously, it's a bit naff and i can see how it would wind you up, but i wanted to post it to show a group of common similarities that these things have between themselves and William Gibson's fiction, Jake Horsleys Matrix Warrior, etc. I haven't discussed MW or The Matrix in the Temple because i saw the thread about Jake's book and also i thought that a lot of you people thought the Matrix was a bit old or naff, and didn't want to post about them, but i might do that in the near future. I'm a Mod at a Matrix forum and Admin at the Yahoo group that Jake set up to discuss his book, so i'm not short of ideas in that area.

The last thing i wanted to do was to try and explain it, and i'm ok because i haven't really. And there's no way i would of even thought about posting something like that in the Temple, because i try not to piss around in there any more.

I concede it's very unfair of me to wail on you for a conversation thread - it's an open area after all. But I think this is what - the third time? - you 've posted something rahter random, and it just starts to get a bit wearing. Can you not see how I - and a number of other posters - get frustrated when someone posts going "yeah, Ganesh! Kkkkkooollll ,man!!"? Why not do some reading, research or even practice related to Ganesh - y'know reallly think about it, engage with the subject - and post your results in a way that's going to encourage dialogue and discussion. Try and add something to the board which other people are going to find interesting and useful to read. At my most charitable, I find the thead under discussion, simply a list of things which inspire you. At it's worst, it's psychedelic spam. Again, apologise for the abuse, but that's the effect these continual random posts have on me.

That's ok man, apology accepted. The daft Ganesha post was me being a gonk after being up all night (one of those where you click on post and instantly wonder why you decided to), yes i agree that was sad, but so is a lot of other stuff i post in there. I don't really think out what i'm posting in Convo because i don't feel the need to, and don't really feel like i have any ego to defend because i have a pretty daft nature quite often and don't take myself seriously in there, so i mess around.

As for getting into research and practise related to Ganesha, i'm focusing on making my memory better with meditation at the moment, but if i do that in the future, of course, i'll probably post what i came out of it with in the Temple.

Anyway, i'm good, don't think i'm gonna hold a grudge or anything sad like that but i just thought i'd explain a bit to help you understand where i'm coming from.

Ha, i'm starting to notice a pattern, we talk with each other fine in the Temple, but we clash elsewhere, maybe we're just different types of person and i'm wondering how i'd get on with you if i came to one of the Barb meet-ups. You'd probably be gobsmacked at how quiet i am in real life. (well, except when i'm pissed, of course.)
 
 
Pants Payroll
03:10 / 22.04.04
*pokes at severely rotted thread. turns to shatner*

"It's dead, Jim."
 
 
ill tonic
03:24 / 22.04.04
*stands*

Hi my name is Nightguard and I thought the Invisibles was an overhyped piece of crap.

Thank you.

*sits*
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
04:21 / 22.04.04
*looks at Illamatic and Maetreya nervously. Motions for some coffee and clears throat before standing*

um... I like it a lot. Still do, but I didn't feel like I was reborn or anything. It exposed me to a few neat ideas, so it was worth it for that alone. But I had heard a lot of them before... So I thought maybe i was missing something. I remember Grant saying that if your read it all in one sitting, it'll open up some space-time worm and you'll see elves or something like that...

*takes sip of coffee*

So I actually took a day off to do that. I set up all the piles and um...

*gets uncomfortable. murmured assurances and reinforcement*

Well... I read them all... And... my eyes hurt.

I just fell asleep actually. I JUST FELL ASLEEP!

*sobs uncontrolably. drops coffe and gets shoulders patted by others as he sits*
 
 
Tom Coates
06:51 / 22.04.04
Hello everyone, my name is Tom and I used to be a user of the Invisibles. I found it exhilerating and fascinating and a glorious head-fuck at the time but I think it was part of a culture and that you kind of had to be there. Near the end of my use it stopped being so interesting to me - it's like the culture was dying earlier than that, and if I use it now I don't get the sensation that I used to. But at the time it was awesome.
 
 
illmatic
11:16 / 22.04.04
Maitreya: Thank you for the response. I've gotta say though, just saying "hey! it's just me being a ker-azzzy guy" doesn't make it any less irritating, you know? In a sense you're right and I should just avoid looking at it, but y'know, you are all over the board like a rash and sometimes hard to avoid. I wasn't saying "go on take up a Ganesh practice" - I was just trying to indicate that a lot of the high quality posts on here - the stuff that actually makes the board worth reading - come out of people's specialisms - be that academic, magickal or whatever, and they're things people have put a lot of thought and care into. I appreciate you say you think more about what you post elsewhere, but you can't tell me you've clocked up a thousand posts in - what, 2 months - without the quality suffering somewhat? Sometimes the need to post maybe taking precedence over what you're saying, and any thoughts of interaction with other posters. In the Temple in particualr, I think it's important to post from your experience, which stops the forum becoming just a knockabout of every psychotic and wacky idea ever. Just some thoughts to explain why you may sometimes receive snarky responses from myself and other posters. (I'm not the only one ...)

Anyway, cheers for the response. I appreciate you being reasonable and not just shouting "FUCK OFF" at me, as various posters have done in the past. All I'm saying is ... calm down.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:54 / 22.04.04
I don't think I can join the support group under the name it currently has, because first time around I definitely *did* find the Invisibles to be a bit of a head-fuck (although I now hate that term, and will happily join an Anger Management group aimed at reducing the rage I feel when I see phrases like 'headfuck', 'mindbomb' and 'subversive chaos' over-used).I disagree that you had to "be there" (I was a little late, the first issue I bought was the last), but I do think that the impression it makes the first time you read it can fade, especially if you were unfamiliar with certain ideas before then which you've since encountered repeatedly.

I should also mention that I'm really easy to affect via the medium of serial fiction: I've experienced equally or more powerful sensations of immersion in tv shows such as Farscape, Buffy, Angel or Six Feet Under...

I will happily join the 'The Invisibles is not my Bible and those people for whom it is can really be kinda annoying' support group.
 
 
Ex
18:11 / 22.04.04
*prods decrepit tea urn in corner and burns finger*

Ow. I, well, I - haven't actually read the Invisibles. Yet. A goth let me read two installments in a pub but they were from utterly unconnected bits of the run. There was a bald dude having sex. It didn't grab me. It was a Ye Olde Theme Pub and the life-size King Arthur mannequin was judging me; that was more of a headfuck.

*toys with Bournville biscuit then replaces it on institutional white plate*

Um. I reckon I have to read it at some point, otherwise my Lith membership will curl up and go brown at the edges and give off poison gas. But I don't know, my head isn't feeling very - receptive.

*stares at shoes*

(Oh, and there's three guys at the back who are here for Weightwatchers - I think they booked the hall after us.)

*sits down and starts to nibble at thumb*
 
 
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19:50 / 22.04.04
Thanks Illmatic, i don't wanna rant and rot this thread anymore than i already have done so i'll just say advice taken and cheers.
 
 
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20:01 / 22.04.04
*stands up*

"Erm, i'm in the wrong damn support group. I should be in the 'Try not to be so obsessed with the Invisibles all the time and try and come back down to earth a little' support group or something."

*looks around*
*gets really para*
*calms down and shakes head*
*walks across room and opens door*
*takes one last look at room and people in it*
*shakes head again*
*leaves*

*stands outside in sunshine and fresh air looking totally shocked and taking deep breaths*
*shakes head again*

"Fucking never again."

*walks off*
 
 
Simplist
21:23 / 22.04.04
I am Simplisto! I really enjoyed The Invisibles, and had I read it at age 15 prior to reading a whole bunch of other stuff, it very well might have been a life-changing experience. As it was, I read it at age 35(ish), and found it to be a sometimes-brilliant, sometimes flawed reworking of various familiar themes and ideas, some of which had indeed changed my life nearly twenty years earlier. Not to say The Invisibles was wholly unoriginal or anything, the Morrison Variations are in many ways quite unique. It's just that The Invisibles isn't really going to be all that much of a headfuck if you've already read RAW, PKD, McKenna, etc.

Um... Also, some of--a lot of--the art kinda sucked. Sometimes it was just mediocre/ugly but still told the story ok (Volume 1), but at other times (Volume 3) it was difficult to tell what was even going on.

And, um... I couldn't help suspecting that Volume 3 was supposed to be twice the length it was but got massively truncated for some reason. Kinda felt like a TV series where the creators had a whole final season planned out, but found out just as they started making episode 1 that they really only had half a season, and had to haphazardly cram and cut to make the story fit into what was left.

And, like... I like it? Like, a lot? But due to the slow take-off and ultimately unsatisfying resolution, I don't feel like I can really recommend it all that widely...

[retreats to back row and slinks down in seat]
 
  

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