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New X-Men Vol 3 Hardcover

 
  

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houdini
19:11 / 05.04.04
The bloke who runs my local comics store claims Marvel may not be collecting the last part of the Morrisson run in hardcover. Anyone know if this is true?

The reason I ask is that I bought the vol 1 & 2 HCs and my plan was to buy vol 3 and then give all the single issues (complete run) to a mate of mine who's been reading it over my shoulder as a going away present. That way, everybody wins.

But now the chap at the store here in Ithaca claims it ain't gonna happen. To be fair, he's really not the most informed person (to put it mildly) in the comics field. But I can't find any mention of an nXm vol 3 HC anywhere - not on Google, not on Amazon, not on marvel.com. So now he's got me wondering.

Anyone know what the skinny is?
 
 
sleazenation
19:14 / 05.04.04
don't have the skinny myself but why not drop marvel an email at the address on their website?
 
 
Simplist
19:19 / 05.04.04
I have no official info to offer, but I will point out that the v.2 hardcover wasn't released until something like a year after the last issue contained therein, ie. long after its entire contents were available in trade paperback. That being the case, we may not see even a solicitation for the HC before year's end. I'm guessing Marvel waits on soliciting the HC to maximize sales on the TPs, as people might skip them and wait for the HC if they knew for sure it was coming.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
20:50 / 05.04.04
I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't finish Grant's hardcover series... and continue it on with Joss' Astonishing X-men aswell. Big name creators doing big name work means big bad ass trade sales, hardback, paperback etc etc.
 
 
MFreitas
08:19 / 06.04.04
Oh blimey...

It WILL most certainly be collected. There's no point trusting a ill-informed creature, right?

And people wonder about the state of the industry... with this kind of retailers...

No, wait... he must be... SUBLIME!
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
08:19 / 06.04.04
I seem to remember Grant Morrison saying somthing along the lines of he's 'looking forward to reading the stories in 3 hardbacks, the way he originally envisioned it'.

I suppose Marvel could have changed their minds, but I would just be patient, keep hold of your copies for now, it will probably be late 2004/early 2005.
 
 
TroyJ15
12:27 / 06.04.04
I certainly hope they collect it. I stopped pucking up the individuals to save money and was waiting for the HC to finish out my collection. I run a comic store and hope to have some sort of solicitation available in the coming months...I'll keep you informed, man.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:08 / 06.04.04
I heard September on the Joe Quesada forum, not sure if that's accurate, but it seems similarly timed as the other hardcovers. And don't forget that Marvel moved up the second hardcover a couple of months, implying that there's a pretty big demand.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:28 / 06.04.04
I think that there is a difference between something not yet being announced and not being planned at all. It seems reasonable that Marvel would hold off on volume 3 until AFTER Here Comes Tomorrow is released as a trade. I'm sure that they will eventually complete the set, it just may take a bit of patience.
 
 
Mike-O
16:12 / 06.04.04
Last year, the vol 2 Hardcover was released in October 2003, so I would imagine a similar release date for vol 3. There's no way they won't do a Hardcover release for NXM, as has been mention here in previous posts, ultimately Morrison sells. At $50 a pop (Canadian exchange, like a BI-ATCH!!), Marvel can't afford NOT to put out a HC.
 
 
TroyJ15
00:15 / 07.04.04
Ewwwwwwwwwwww! I just had a horrible thought! what if they include those last 2 issues in the Hardcover...the ones written by Austen! Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!11
 
 
petar_g
00:19 / 07.04.04

Here's hoping that Marvel DOESN'T include #155 & #156, the two extra issues by Chuck Austen. Given that they technically ARE the last issues of NXM, I guess the unfortunate possibility exists, though.

And I'm not just Austen-bashing. It's just that, to me, they should only include Grant's work in the Hardcovers, as it tells HIS complete story.

Petar
 
 
diz
00:25 / 07.04.04
the two Austen issues of NXM are being bound with his last arc for UXM and not with Here Comes Tomorrow when those are published in trade paperback, so i would take that as a good sign.
 
 
Mike-O
03:58 / 07.04.04
They wont do that. The issues in question are already being collected in the Uncanny trades, so no reason to think they'd defecate on Morrison's work by including that shiite alongside his. Remember, Marvel admin is at least vaguely aware that there wont be much success in corss-marketing either writer with the other's fans.
 
 
petar_g
05:23 / 07.04.04

I was already aware of the seperate TPB collection, but still.........it's MARVEL.

There's certainly a possibility that rather than leave the ONLY TWO issues of the series not written by Morrison OUT, they'd include them in any COMPLETE collection of New X-Men. Yknow, so everyone got the whole 'series', so to speak.

I'm probably just being pessimistic, though. But still.....this IS the company who puts Chuck Austen on comic series after comic series....

But I'm gonna hope for the best. Feel free to ignore my concerns.

Petar
 
 
houdini
14:15 / 07.04.04
This is purely unconstructive moaning on my part. Caveat lector:

I'd happily take "wait and see" as an answer. The only reason I posted this is that the local store-owner specifically said that Marvel "weren't going to bother" collecting any more series in hardcovers. Not that he seemed very clear on that, since I'm cast iron sure that he was just making it up. But once a little seed of doubt is sewn in my mind there's little way to stop it taking root.

This is a time-sensitive issue for me too as, if I do give all the singles to my buddy Rob, it must be done prior to leaving town at the end of June. But I'm just going to trust that either the HC or TPB format will be around and go ahead and do it.

What's annoying about the store owner is that he's *constantly* punking out on me for everything. I really, really believe in supporting your friendly neighbourhood comics store. But, boy, does he make it hard.

Examples from the last year or two:

* Missing an issue of Cerebus, entirely. Then, when I asked him about it, claiming that it doesn't exist. Dave Sim just decided to skip that one, apparently.

* Telling me he'd hold Blankets for me, then selling it to another customer. Then telling me "Well, you should've bought it when you first came in if you really wanted it. We won't be able to get any more because it's OOP." Then, four months later, long after I'd bought it on Amazon, bringing it out with my weekly comics and insisting that I should buy it because I'd "ordered" it. (I demurred.)

* Deciding when I told two weeks ago that I was "thinking of dropping comics soon, and just picking up the trades", that he should immediately cancel all of my standing orders. Even though I went on to mention that I wanted to close out the series that I am currently reading. So no X-Statix #20 for houdini, as he only orders enough to fill the standing orders.

* Refusing to believe that I'd dropped Green Arrow after Kevin Smith left. Every month it would show up in my file and he'd try to give me a guilt trip, 'cause he'd ordered it for me, specially. I'd patiently explain that I'd dropped it { ++ $i; } times now, but it always slid off. Then, once he'd accepted defeat on his guilt trip, he'd try to persuade me that I should pick it up again, "'cause this new guy's really pretty cool, y'know?"

* Recommending X-Statix as a good comic for a mother to buy her 8 year old son (in attendance). I just happened to be waiting in line and actually cut in to suggest that she direct her attention 2' to the right, where Bone, X-Men animated, Powerpuff Girls, etc are racked. When I asked him why he thought X-Statix was a gooc choice, he said it was because of the "simplistic" art.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Okay. Done venting now. Thanks for your time.
 
 
sleazenation
14:41 / 07.04.04
You know, living in a large metropolis with a variety of comic shopsits easy to forget the kinds of places you describe still exist Houdini - sorry, man.
 
 
Simplist
16:32 / 07.04.04
Here's hoping that Marvel DOESN'T include #155 & #156, the two extra issues by Chuck Austen. Given that they technically ARE the last issues of NXM, I guess the unfortunate possibility exists, though.

Not too likely. At sixteen issues, volume 3 will already be larger than either v.1 (14 issues) or v.2 (12 issues). In fact, if I'm not mistaken this will be the largest hardcover of this sort that Marvel has yet published. I seriously doubt they'll make it even larger (there are production costs involved, after all) by adding two extra issues they're well aware no one even wants.
 
 
Triplets
17:13 / 07.04.04
Houdini, you're a pussy. The comic store guy could take a shit in your mouth and you'd swallow it with a smile.
 
 
houdini
18:37 / 07.04.04
Houdini, you're a pussy. The comic store guy could take a shit in your mouth and you'd swallow it with a smile.

Behold! The kind of constructive reply that makes the 'lith a joy to visit.

To be fair to the store, the guy in question is the manager and is usually out walking his dog or in back surfing the web. Usually, I get to deal with his employees, who are twenty years younger, well-groomed, funny, helpful and actually knowledgeable about comics. I probably only intereact with him once a month or so.

And, you know, I feel kinda sorry for the dude. He has no people skills. He has no salesman skills. He has precious little business skill. And, it seems to me, he doesn't really like comics that much. There's a certain degree to which he seems genuinely pathetic (in the dictionary sense), and I can't help but respond to that.

Whatever. I'm out now. Got about a half dozen issues left to buy before me and pamphlets go our separate ways. Plus, as mentioned, I'm moving in June. Although the one store I found in Philly so far was pretty undewhelming.
 
 
petar_g
00:37 / 08.04.04

Volume One had FOURTEEN issues (114-126 + Annual)

Volume Two had FIFTEEN issues (127-141)

Volume Three will be even smaller, with Morrison's remaining THIRTEEN issues. Pray they don't throw Austen's two extras in to make up the difference.....

Petar
 
 
Harhoo
13:10 / 08.04.04
houdini: Missing an issue of Cerebus, entirely. Then, when I asked him about it, claiming that it doesn't exist. Dave Sim just decided to skip that one, apparently.

Actually, there was a double issue of Cerebus towards the end (OTTOMH it was 289/90) so this could be what he was talking about. Sim's done this a couple of times over the years in order to keep on schedule. Slacker.
 
 
houdini
14:46 / 08.04.04
Actually, there was a double issue of Cerebus towards the end (OTTOMH it was 289/90) so this could be what he was talking about.

Yeah, but it's not. The issue I'm talking about was #277 which he just didn't order and then claimed did not exist.
 
 
Simplist
16:38 / 08.04.04
Volume Two had FIFTEEN issues (127-141)

I don't actually own the book myself (I'm waiting for confirmation on the third one before I buy the first two), but everywhere I've looked (here for instance), volume two is listed as containing #s 127-138, twelve issues, leaving sixteen of Morrison's issues to be collected for the final volume. As I seriously doubt Marvel will publish an 18-issue hardcover, we can probably safely assume Austen's stuff will be left out.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:59 / 08.04.04
The second hardcover goes from 127 up through 141.

The third hardcover will only be Morrison's issues. Don't be so crazy. It costs a lot of money to put in extra pages, they won't throw in extra issues just for the sake of it. They can make a greater profit with fewer pages for the same price as the others.
 
 
petar_g
13:59 / 09.04.04

Simplist, ignore the info you read. It was incorrect when solicited, and also misprinted inside the Vol.2 HC itself. That leaves only 13 issues for the third DC, no extra issues withstanding.

And don't misconstrue me - I'm not saying Marvel WILL include Austen's issues. I'm saying I hope they wouldn't be stupid enough to.

Petar
 
 
Simplist
18:19 / 09.04.04
Aha. Bet those solicitations went out shortly before Marvel found out Grant was leaving after #154. Probably they planned slimmer volumes, but moved the Murder arc into volume 2 at the last minute in the interest of evenly distributing the remaining issues into two volumes.

I'm glad to hear this, actually--the first volume bordered on being uncomfortably heavy in terms of hand feel, and I was a little concerned about volume 3 being even heavier.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:44 / 09.04.04
Marvel had a contract with Morrison for three years. He produced three years worth of issues. They knew when Grant was leaving all along. That's why Grant was writing the second and third year in one quick burst - it was so that he would be technically eligable for another contract, which ended up being with DC.

The second hardcover included Murder At The Mansion because either way one of the hardcovers was going to be a bit longer than the others, and it made more sense for the narrative of volume two to end with Murder At The Mansion, since it concluded plotlines from that volume. It's a cleaner break.
 
 
Simplist
19:26 / 11.05.04
Here it is, folks--September via Amazon, which probably means August via the direct market.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
07:27 / 12.05.04
336 pages, (if Amazon is correct).

At 24-pages each that's 13 issues plus extras,
at 22-pages that's 15 issues.

So, who has the issues to hand to count pages?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:08 / 12.05.04
Please note that all of the data (including the content description) is exactly the same as that of Vol 2. Pay no attention to the page count.
 
 
Simplist
19:45 / 12.05.04
Actually, volume 2 is listed as being 288 pages, which seems a bit low; anyone have a copy on hand to check if that's correct?

Amazon's book info for graphic novels is notoriously unreliable in any case--note that on the new volume 3 page it lists the volume 1 hardcover and volume 5 softcover as different editions of this same book.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:51 / 12.05.04
Yeah, the point is, their data is totally fucked.
 
 
Simplist
16:43 / 20.05.04
Volume 3 hits the direct market sometime in June, according to this list (link found on Grotesque Anatomy blog).
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
17:04 / 20.05.04
Houdini,

If I were you I would leave the shop and go to a different one, giving him the list you gave us. And, if there isn't another one near you, get your stuff from an internet shop. If a record store or video game store pulled that on you, would you keep shopping there?

To keep shopping there, you are rewarding them for lying to you.
 
  

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