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A Scanner Darkly? Did we not get enough of you in The Matrix: Revolutions?

 
  

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Feverfew
19:15 / 16.03.06
That could be it, indeed. However, it just gives me a nonspecific fear...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:08 / 16.03.06
there are also these posters posted on a site that is after my own heart.
 
 
The Falcon
20:17 / 16.03.06
I think that looks great, the trailer. Linklater's one of these guys I wrote off, didn't like his first film ('Slacker', yeah?) and actually I really have liked pretty much everything since. He might be one of my fave directors, if I thought about it.

"Two sides of my brain are.... competing?"

There comes a point where you have to just like Keanu. Really excited about this.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:17 / 16.03.06
Interesting to compare those trailers, see how the whole look of the film has altered from the teaser to the newer one. Backgrounds are now much sketchier and the first didn't have as much of the whole 'movement of light' thing going on. Scramble suit, too - they've slowed the cylce down a bit on that, or else made the faces and clothes less distinct on each pass.

I'm so jazzed for this. Been reading the book again as a result, and Robert Downey Jr - in the trailer, at least - is Barris. I mean physically, too - exactly how I keep picturing him.

I even like the sudden intrusion of the music in that trailer. The idea that a film of a thirty year old non-SF SF story about drug casualties should be advertised with something that sounds like Jean Michelle Jarre just strikes me as perfect, really.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
14:24 / 17.03.06
Hmmmm. I worry that the WL animation will remove that incredibly gritty, detailed sense of urban and personal decay that's so important to the book. It's gonna be too pretty. Maybe the characters, too. I can imagine Woody Harrelson and Keanu and Winona being scruffy on film; the've all done it before. But the animation removes a level of detail. In the trailers they're not really that scruffy at all -- especially Donna. I can't imagine her ever washing her hair. And in the trailer she has long, flowing hair. No way, man.

Linklater has never been the kind of visual director to compose extraordinary visual detail like that; Waking Life itself was too picturesque for my taste. I really want this film to feel like the suburban equivalent of Bladerunner: washed out, sun-bleached shots, lots of broken concrete and dried out weeds, rain, greyness, despair. The animation won't capture that, it's not complex enough and Linklater makes everything way too pretty.

(A Scanner Darkly is a book I feel like I've lived in and through, many times. It's hard to let go of that level of attachment.)
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:25 / 17.07.06
Is there a new thread for this movie since it hit? I looked around and all I saw was this one, and 2 threads about the trailer.

Anyway, I saw this over the weekend and it was fucking brilliant. Keanu was actually able to make me care about a character he was playing, the animation style worked amazingly well (the scramble suits alone, wow) and I would say the plot is about 90% perfect, with very few changes made for the movie.

The feeling of hopelessness carried throught the film, and the last thing on screen before the credits rolled had me tearing up.

Has anyone else seen this? It opened on the 7th in select areas, offical opening is the 28th, for some reason we got it a week early.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:31 / 17.07.06
Christ knows when we get it over here, but from the trailers and the pre-publicity stuff I've seen (and from your post) I've gone from thinking this was a terrible idea when it was first picked up to being really quite excited.
 
 
Triplets
16:19 / 17.07.06
32 days til British lithers can scan darkly. Quite looking forward to it.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:41 / 17.07.06
Saw it over the weekend. Will probably see it again later this week. Very enjoyable.

some great dialogue, wonderful use of the animation style though sometimes just a bit distracting. As we walked out of the theater we were somewhat split as to weather this film subverted the drug war or was rooting for it.
 
 
THX-1138
23:59 / 17.07.06
I have seen it, it opened on the 14th here, in only one small theater and I enjoyed it.
the scene with the bike and the scene in the tow truck...wasn't Downey great in this?
I should see it again.
 
 
netbanshee
02:24 / 18.07.06
It opened here over the weekend and I got a chance to see it as well. I was tempted to try to catch it last w/e if I happened to be in NYC, but it didn't work out to be. I think I'm going to give it another look as well.

I saw it with a friend who had not read the novel and he was pretty fond of it. I would like to think that if you've had the pleasure of giving the book a go, it's more rewarding. You'll miss some parts (the last act was less complete in comparison), but nothing that seemed detrimental to the film.

Downey's portrayal of Barris was fantastic, bringing his capable personality into the fray and making the role larger than life. Bunch of chuckles to be had in the character interactions. The rest of the crew, even Keanu, I felt, hit the mark... utilizing a downplayed style and off-beat conversation to carry us through the story.

The animation seemed fitting and didn't seem to take away the dirty gritty mess that some feared the effect might clean up. The movement in rotoscoping also lends itself quite nicely to a drug story... the details and colors drifting from place being a nice compliment. It goes without saying that the scramble suits were pretty badass as well.

Go see it when you can.
 
 
Liger Null
21:32 / 18.07.06
I just saw this last night. It was wonderful as a whole, but the ending just seemed a little too "spelled out" for me. I don't remember how the book ended, I guess I'll have to re-read it.
 
 
grime
15:42 / 19.07.06
oh yeah!

absolutely loved it. i'm a big fan of the book, and thought it was great adaptation and my friends who didn;t read the book liked it too.

as a nitpicky bastard i could put together some art direction notes, but why bother? it was awesome!
 
 
Henningjohnathan
19:44 / 20.07.06
I just saw this last night. It was wonderful as a whole, but the ending just seemed a little too "spelled out" for me. I don't remember how the book ended, I guess I'll have to re-read it.
The book ends the same way (with minor detail differences). Altogether, I was afraid that when Downey and Harrelson leave the scene that the movie would nosedive, but it all worked out well. The most faithful PK Dick adaptation of one of his more personal and touching novels.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
09:42 / 21.07.06
This is getting a proper release in the UK right? I can't find any UK site yet prepared to tell me the film exists, let alone when it's released over here.
 
 
Spaniel
10:04 / 21.07.06
I think you'll like this link, Flowers.

Lots and lots of release dates. All you could ever need, in fact.
 
 
Charlie's Horse
20:09 / 24.07.06
Fucking brilliant. This was a harrowing movie, leaving me rather awe-struck as I walked out. I think a great deal of it - other than the plot - was the visual effect of rotoscoping. Because the images on the big screen were so close to reality, yet obviously not. When I left the theatre I felt like I was still watching this, that the world itself had become some hallucination. Somewhat like the last time I spent on rollerskates - you get done, but still move your feet the same way, expecting the wheels to still be attached. That was what my eyes were doing.

When did Linklater come out of left field and start making the favorite movies of my life? I thought Waking Life was a big deal. This was even better.

It's so weird to read the start of this thread, with everyone shitting on Reeves and suchlike, because this was a fantastic movie.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:38 / 26.07.06
Saw the trailer last night in the cinema. Looks very very nice. Actually, I'd kinda forgotten about the movie, until yesterday one of my co-workers - who is very very choosy when it comes to cinema and has, in my opinion, excellent taste when it comes to movies - said he'd seen it while he was on holiday in New York, and that it was by far the best PKD movie he'd ever seen, and the closest to the book. So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it now, despite my antipathy towards Keanu.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:09 / 20.08.06
I did get a bit sniffly at the end when they put in Phil's memorial to people he'd lost.

Mr Tricks we were somewhat split as to weather this film subverted the drug war or was rooting for it.

I think it felt that the reported reason for the war on drugs (to get people off them) was right, it was the methods that were bad.

Saw it today and enjoyed it. The various scenes when they were happy junkies were ridiculously funny ("they stole the gears!") even the grafted on scene at the end with Bob in the farm wasn't too bad.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:57 / 20.08.06
Here´s my review, I saw it last week at the Fantasy Filmfest:


Nice one! Worth seeing at the movie theatre, form and content work very well.

As you might know, this movie is about Philip K. Dick´s drug experiences, that he and his friends went through. And at the end, we see a list of people who PKD lost to the drugs.

Which is important: This is not one of the cool drug movies like Spun or Fear & Loathing. Here, you see people, that have long ago stopped living and are now only using. Maybe that´s why the actors were mostly in their fourties, to underscore that they´re not party teenage pill poppers, but that this is not about being cool, it has become their way of life.

And what actors would be better suited than Keanu Reeves, who always acts as if stoned, Woody Harrelson (ditto), Wynona Ryder and Robert Downey Jr.

Reeves and Ryder are their usual selves, Harrelson is a non entity and sometimes comedic relief. Downey really works here! Crazy as Depp´s Hunter Thompson but obviously dangerous and insane. I don´t know how actors, that have always been straight, could have pulled this of.

The movie stays really close to the book, and has its best scene executed wonderfully: the overdosed guy lying paralysed on his bed while an alien being reads him his sins for all eternity ("after one hundred years, they had reached the sixth grade. Where he had discovered masturbation").

And it also delivers PKD´s vision, of a man who is torn, almost split, as he has to spy on himself. Reeves slides into the situation, doesn´t know how to handle it, and then the drug takes care of his situation. It´s kind of funny watching Keanu Reeves constantly swallowing red pills.

So this is one time, where Philip K. Dick can rest and doesn´t have to spin in his grtave. No total recall here!
 
 
PatrickMM
18:57 / 20.08.06
I liked the film but was a little underwhelmed. I'm a huge fan of both Linklater and PKD, so the fusion of the two was much anticipated. However, my main issue with the film was that it was pretty much exactly what I expected. We've got the PKD identity sci-fi elements mixed with some lengthy dialogue sequences in the shifty animation. There wasn't anything wrong with it, but it didn't bring much unexpected either.

Increasingly I feel like it's pointless to adapt existing properties. This was a great adaptation of the book, but having already read the book, I didn't feel like I got that much new here. Why not do a similar story inspired by the PKD book, but spun in a new way? When it comes to adapting stuff, the Lucas/Tarantino co-opt the best ideas and reform it into a new mythology style works a lot better than the Peter Jackson/Bryan Singer slavish homage way.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
19:52 / 20.08.06
Posted this in the convo, but thought it should go here too, for those who haven't managed to catch the film yet - here's the first twenty four minutes for your delectation.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:22 / 20.08.06
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I'd just like to apologise for my skepticism early on in this thread. Just got back, and that was utterly fantastic. The scene where he's losing it while in the office and they're both wearing scramblesuits is the best depiction I've yet seen of "when acid goes that little bit too weird" (something I'm very familiar with).

The list at the end made me cry, which it also always has whenever I've read the book (it's probably my most re-read PKD... though it's been a few years. Must dig it out again, it's about that time...)

Incidentally, Lady, not sure what you mean by "grafted on"... the scene with the blue flowers is in the book. Unless I'm remembering it all wrong... which after watching that movie is causing me concern!

And for such an overall devastating movie, it had the funiest "attempted suicide" scene I've EVER seen in a film. Though for sheer fucked-up comic value, the scene with the unlocked front door and the note took quite some beating.

Rarely do largely unlikeable paranoids get portrayed so sympathetically.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:06 / 21.08.06
Hah, you're right! I've just went and looked at the book and it does have that scene, I haven't read it for years and was sure it ended with Bob getting dropped off at the treatment centre.

How do people think the effects of Substance D were portrayed? Despite all the talk by the doctors early on in the film I felt the story didn't really clearly show Bob's breakdown, all the kipple gets in the way of showing a man unable to cope, his double life as Bob and Fred exacerbating the effect the drug would have on him anyway.

Did anyone else wonder if they'd got Harrison Ford in to do an unannounced cameo as the voice of Fred's scramble suit? God, it sounded just like him, I thought it was deliberate. Looking at those things too long made me feel ill...
 
 
Peach Pie
10:24 / 21.08.06

Tops. thw reviews i have seen so far have concentrated on its hip offbeat weirdness rather than the political comment which is more important imo. stellar performance from downey jr.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:08 / 21.08.06
Just seen this movie and interestingly it seems pretty much the flick like people were hoping for, but doubting would ever come to pass, on page 1 (2004). Downbeat, trippy, aimless, paranoid, occasionally bleakly funny. I haven't read the original but I have read DADoES, Man in the High Castle and the stories that are now in the collection Minority Report, and it seemed to capture the PKD spirit to me ~ especially that key theme of "fake cops".


The scene where Fred's scrambled world starts to warp further (the model eagle on the table almost flapping its wings; the suits shifting that bit faster; perspective just a tad out of sequence) actually made me feel like I was on something, which I think is quite an achievement.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:35 / 21.08.06
I wondered about the validity of this comment, though, in an online review.

I think some people will be tricked by the unusual visual style into thinking the film is more interesting than it is. I say look beyond that at what's actually happening and you'll realize that without the rotoscoping, the movie would be completely undistinguished, competent but only mildly entertaining.



I was sitting near the screen, and experimenting with squinting at it, which blurred-up the animation and made it look a lot more like the real footage behind.

The funny thing was, when it looked like "normal" film, the environment and characters became a lot less interesting. In the animated stoner home, I was looking around at the backgrounds and props as if they were clues, marvelling at the detail ~ when it looked like a real set, it seemed a lot less remarkable.

I know the rotoscoping was part of the whole can-you-believe-your-eyes theme of the film, but maybe it was also the film's big star, its one really exceptional feature.

If this had been live-action, with CGI hallucinations, would you feel it was as interesting?
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
11:58 / 04.12.06
I said the same sort of thing to my friend when we came out of the movie, i.e. wondering if it would have been any good at all were it not animated. I don't think it would have been anywhere near as effective. You can do things in animations which are more convincing, once you've taken the animated world for 'normal' - like pushing the mailbox and having it slide sideways. In a live-action film, that'd look dumb as hell, but it just sort of happens in the film, and looks perfectly normal.

I also like the way that some objects rotate out of synch with the rooms they are in, like the beer bottle in the scene with Bob's family, and the couch, almost every time you see it, but especially in the scene just after the scene with the family. It makes them sort of 'pop out' and have a significance which is totally meaningless but seems pretty apt for drug experiences, and makes the movie much more intense.

I actually found the film hard to process, visually, because things kept sliding around without actually moving (if you see what I mean), but that also added to the confusion and near-dream aspects.

I was kind of bored when I left the movie, but I really like it, three hours later.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:27 / 07.02.07
Caught this the other day now that it's on DVD and really, really liked it. Thought that the ending, in particular, was handled very well - it always struck me as slightly muddled in the book.

Still, some minor niggles. The sense of decay from the novel is missing entirely - most of the Arctor/Barris scenes come across as stoner comedy more than uncomfortable, itchy drug fallout and there's only the tiny moment with the protestor being thwacked by the police and bundled into the back of an unmarked van to suggest that Substance D is even noticed outside of Arctor's circle of friends and Fred's workplace.

The other thing that I thought could have been handled better was the pacing right at the beginning - specifically, Fred's 'invited speaker' bit. Before the final scene, this is the only place where the blue flowers are mentioned and if you miss it - and haven't read the book previously - you're likely to miss the point of that final scene, which then means that you're going to have trouble understanding one of the main themes of the film. It really is that important. And hey, it's Keanu - chances are that you're going to mishear some of his opening speech because of the combination of his usual mumbling and the way that Fred mumbles through the speech himself, losing track of and belief in his lines halfway through.

It'd have helped, I think, if that scene had come after a couple of others, given the audience time to become used to the odd visual style and get a fix on what's happening in the story, who the characters are, before throwing something so important out there.

Otherwise, though, great. Like I say, the ending hit me far more than it ever has in the novel, as did the inclusion of Dick's coda just before the credits roll (which always felt a little trite to me when shoved into the back of the book, but brought a proper lump to my throat here).
 
 
Quantum
17:38 / 09.02.07
Weird, I saw it two days ago and thought it was dreadful. I like Linklater, loved Waking Life, like PKD and thought Downey was amazing in it (as everyone seems to agree) so I was expecting to like it but I just found it annoying. The underuse of the animation, the lack of perceived effect of substance D (wasted opportunity for some psychedelic imagery I thought), the constant Frodo-style close ups of Keanu's face etc. all grated for me. Some people said it was confusing or hard to follow but the only thing I didn't get was when the girl morphed between Donna and Connie, possibly because I put off reading the book until after watching the film (thinking it would be Waking Life good). What was the point of that bit, to emphasise his sexual frustration, growing object agnosia, blackouts or split brain conflict? Like a lot of other moments in the film it seemed they worked in the book but translated badly to screen.

I can see why people liked it in a way, but compare it to Gilliams adaptation of Fear & Loathing for example (now nine years ago believe it or not). I was disappointed, but at least I can read the book now and remember next time to do that first.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
08:13 / 11.02.07
I still haven't seen it (it was only just released in Australian cinemas in December and like a loser, I missed the chance to see it on the big screen.) But yeah, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas puts the kibosh on anyone's claim that you can't portray drug-fucked experiences cinematically without animation.
 
  

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