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The Truth About Xorn or: Why Grant Morrison is Dead to my Boyfriend.

 
  

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SecretlyClarkKent
21:52 / 27.03.04
I know that this should probably be brought up in one of the numerous 'New X-Men' threads, but I'm starting a new thread for several reasons: 1) The other threads are too long, and I don't have the time to read them in their entirety. 2) From what I have read in the other threads, this topic just doesn't fit there. 3) I have sporadic internet access at best for the time being, and this is easier on me. Mods, if you disagree, put it elsewhere. Delete it. Whatever.

I've only had a little time to read threads relating to Grant Morrison's 'New X-Men', but I keep coming up with the same general consensus: "Grant Morrison is fucking brilliant!" And I just wanted to... kind of... disagree.

Because, as far as I'm concerned, Morrison fucked New X-Men up right at the point that Xorn ripped off his mask to reveal that he was really - GASP! - Magneto. Shock! Horror! How amazingly original! Magneto is the villain, once again!

Er... I mean. Oh. Magneto's the villain, again. Sigh...

I've been reading New X-Men regularly since about issue #120... I bought the first trade and loved it and I haven't missed an issue since. I think that, in the beginning, the stories were amazing and well thought out and full of great characterization. Xorn was one of the greatest original creations that has popped up in an X-Book since... the original X-Men.

It was apparent, from fairly early on, that there was an overall plan, and that Morrison knew exactly what was going on, and who was behind what. His strength lay in the fact that he could take traditional characters and inflict these amazingly cool new ideas and characters into it. Cassandra Nova, Quentin Quire, the entire Riot at Xavier's, Xorn, Famtomex...

And then, for some reason, he tripped up and revealed that the giant threat was, in fact, the X-Men's oldest foe. That one, you know, that had been behind nearly every single attack on the X-Men ever. And this is cool? Brilliant?

Personally, I think it's unoriginal.
I think that it's the same thing that has been done dozens, if not hundreds, of times before.

On top of that, it was all poorly written. I might have been able to forgive him for the Magneto reveal if it had been written as well as the series had been, up until that point.

Suddenly, though, New X-Men became just like every other X-Men comic that came before. The ones that sucked, the ones that made us all stop reading them in the first place.

I could try to defend Morrison and say that maybe, just maybe it's not all his fault. Most of the great Marvel titles that popped up at the time have been taking a nose dive into mediocrity. Maybe it's just really difficult to maintain something that was as great as New X-Men was. Or, maybe, Grant Morrison just made a mistake.

Certainly he's done some brilliant things.
New X-Men, post-Magneto reveal, is not brilliant. It's boring. And, at some point, it became entirely incoherent.

My boyfriend David refuses to forgive him. Me? I can still get excited about upcoming Morrison comics, specifically SeaGuy and Vinamarama [sp?]. [Fuck, anything between Morrison and Philip Bond will find it's way into my collection.] David's not so forgiving, though. And I can see where he's coming from.

New X-Men isn't inspired.
And I'm pretty happy that it's over now.

-Jared

The following comments were added by David:
 
 
diz
22:21 / 27.03.04
i'm just going to repost here what i recently posted on the subject in the NXM 154 thread, since it pretty much sums up my position on the whole thing:

i've kind of done a 180 on that arc. i was not a big fan of Planet X at the beginning, but i started getting into it as it picked up steam and i've really started to like it a lot more in retrospect.

the first big hurdle for me was that i really liked Xorn. i was so eager to see where GM was going with him. he had so much promise and potential as a character that it really seemed like anything could happen with him. not to be stupid, but it was kind of magical, in a childlike-sense-of-wonder sort of way.

i also really liked the idea that Magneto was finally D-E-A-D dead and we were able to move on to new issues and new conflicts.

then the helmet came off and the bottom dropped out.

not only was all the potential that Xorn had just gone, just wasted, but all the doors that seemed open when i thought we had moved past the whole Xavier/Magneto thing just slammed shut. i had a really emotional reaction to it. i was upset. i was angry. mostly, i felt cheated, like GM had led me on and i had believed that things really had changed, and then all the best things about NXM (Xorn) were taken from me and instead i was thrown back into the same old shit.

i was not a happy camper. i was actually moping about the house and getting pissy with my girlfriend. but then, at some point, though, it hit me that i was feeling hurt and angry because i was a jaded longtime X-fan in my late 20s, and i had watched the whole franchise get old and tired and repetitive over the years, but then GM had gotten me to believe in Xorn and the potential he had to revitalize the X-universe.

and the characters who actually live in that fictional universe felt exactly the same way.

when Cyclops finally went off on Erik and started kicking him around like a rag doll because he had lied to him, and betrayed his faith in Xorn, i was so with him on some level.

and now when i look back at "Xorn" lecturing Magneto on how wrong he had been about why people really cared about him, i'm with him too.

GM was right about it being the "ultimate Magneto story" because he hit the nail on the head with the core tragedy of the character: so much wasted potential.


sorry if this is redundant for some people.
 
 
PatrickMM
00:58 / 28.03.04
A lot of people are reading NXM in trades, so it might be best to change the subject line on this thread. I knew it already, but I could see a lot of people being quite annoyed if they didn't already know who Xorn was.
 
 
diz
01:52 / 28.03.04
Planet X has been out in trade for a while now, iirc.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:00 / 28.03.04
I'm with you Transpotr, if you looked through the revelnt threads I was one of the "No!No!No!No!No!No!No!" types. But you've got to look at the whole series. The theme is evolution and Grant just couldn't resist the chance to show once and for all that the X-Men's greatest foe is wrong. And so many of the arcs deal with familiar themes, Cassie Nova is the twin sister that Xavier just happened not to mention until now, 'Riot at Xaviers', Xavier has always had a degree of trouble from his students, 'Assault on Weapon X' was visiting the tired old ground of Logan's past, 'Planet X' was the Magneto story and 'Here Comes Tomorrow' was Days of Future Past/The Dark Phoenix Saga. And repetition is a key part of comics. And repetition is a key part of comics.
 
 
louisemichel
06:56 / 28.03.04
I don't think Magneto is the villain at all in New X-Men. He's manipulated by the real villain of the whole story arc, as are almost all the characters.
Morrison builded his story over 50 issues or so and for that, he's fucking brillant.
All of his arc was referential to the past, so of course, Magneto was going to play an important role.
 
 
diz
07:04 / 28.03.04
I don't think Magneto is the villain at all in New X-Men. He's manipulated by the real villain of the whole story arc, as are almost all the characters.

and that villain isn't really a villain so much as it is a fucked-up thing trying to survive, and afraid of its own replacements.
 
 
TroyJ15
12:17 / 28.03.04
I have to agree with the person who started this thread. Upon a 125th look at the series, The book drops a few notches in quality around the Planet X storyline. Up until that point, it's brilliance was certified. While, I cannot offer any real suggestions as to where it should have gone, I feel that alot of amazing and interesting and just downright pitch-perfect things were happening up until halfway through Planet X. The plot got a little sketchy and Morrison's usual "fill-in-the-blanks"-style of writing became a bit irritating, to the point that I started to care a bit less about the run. Here Comes Tommorow was fun solely for the fact that you had to piece it together as you went along (a murder mystery without a real murder) but not as brilliant as the first two years of this run.
Admittedly, Magneto's inclusion in New X-Men makes sense, Grant's entire run was comprised of doing core moments from the X-Men's history, so Magneto dying and coming back was inevitable in that regard. Still with the exception of the last two arcs, New X-Men was on the money.
 
 
Aertho
14:18 / 28.03.04
and that villain isn't really a villain so much as it is a fucked-up thing trying to survive, and afraid of its own replacements.

Don't forget that it's not about old versus new, radicalism versus authority, or even black versus white. It's just osmosis. It's really about in versus out.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:06 / 28.03.04
It's really about in versus out.

... uh... whuzza?
 
 
Aertho
17:14 / 28.03.04
The Stepford Cuckoos used that line when they united with Cerebra and Kick to take out Quentin. It really rang a chord with me; all conflict is really a matter of soemthing wanting in, or something wanting out. Discover what those things ARE, and you can satisfy the conflict without confusion and other such nonsence.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:37 / 28.03.04
Um... or you could just gut which is what Wolverine did or zao it out of existence like the Phoenix... I don't think the phili\osophy rings true regarding what actually happened on the page.

Also, it doesn't really ring true with the Magneto revealed to be Xorn, Grant screwed the pooch mentality which seems to be the reason behind the thread, if I'm right.

The Magneto/Xavier conflict is really one of being the alien. Mutants exist, so Xavier feels they should integrate into society, Magneto feels they are obviously stronger so should inherit the Earth and wipe out the inferior. It's a battle of ideologies. What Morrison did that was so cool is put an alarm clock into the mix. The alarm being that within 25 years, humanity will be no more. This theme is very firmly embraced up until I think Murder at the Mansion, where I'm not sure what the point was and Planet X really was a cop-out. I mean Morrison more or less said the whole Magneto vs. Xavier thing was so passe and yet he presents Magneto taking over as if this was all one big trick. Well... if it was it detracts from the theme, right?

I dunno. I'm not very good at this, but I too was terribly unhappy with the third year of the book and merely presented a line of reasoning for why.
 
 
LDones
23:48 / 28.03.04
Trainspotr:

To clarify a bit, a great many of the calls of 'Genius!' in Grant Morrison's direction began long before his X-Men work, and are generally in reference to a common opinion on these boards that a lot of his old work is just fucking amazing. A lot of people, in fact, feel strange about the quality of his plotting/execution on NXM who are major fans of his from past works, though it doesn't all necessarily stem from the Magneto revelation - Some argue that it went strange after Imperial, some argue that it went wonky after Riot. THere was a pretty big discussion about 'The Magneto Thing' in the NXM threads around the time of Planet X, particularly about the feeling of cliche-creep. Here's the links to the relevant threads:

New X-Men #146 - The Magneto reveal
New X-Men #147
New X-Men #148
New X-Men #149
New X-Men #150

Unsure if you were clear on any of this, strike me with a plague of insects if I'm bruising the dead equestrian.
 
 
DeCloah
16:15 / 29.03.04
Check out this article.

In his analysis on the reveal of Magneto, he suggests that Morrison used Mags as a symbol for aging ideas and dogmas that don't really work anymore in the new generation.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:35 / 29.03.04
Garder's archive html is all screwed up. Here's the analysis. It's pretty fantastic stuff, and I think he's totally right about almost everything, especially Planet X.


Secrets, cliffhangers and revelations are integral parts of serial storytelling, and that is especially true in superhero comics. Grant Morrison's New X-Men is no different; its 41 issues have a handful of major secrets and a dozen smaller ones. Many of these will be revealed in the following essay, so if you have not read New X-Men #114-154 but think you would like to, I suggest you read the comics before reading this essay. I enthusiastically gush over the series in this previous post, if that helps any. Morrison's entire run is collected in the following books:

Vol. 1: E Is for Extinction
Vol. 2: Imperial
Vol. 3: New Worlds
Vol. 4: Riot at Xavier's
Vol. 5: Assault on Weapon Plus
Vol. 6: Planet X
Vol. 7: Here Comes Tomorrow (not yet published)

New X-Men Vol. 1 Hardcover (collects E Is for Extinction & Imperial)
New X-Men Vol. 2 Hardcover (collects New Worlds & Riot at Xavier's)
New X-Men Vol. 3 Hardcover (not yet published)

PROFESSOR X: Thoughts on the new school uniforms?

WOLVERINE: Suddenly I don't have to look like an idiot in broad daylight.

BEAST: I was never sure why you had us dress up like super heroes anyway, Professor.

CYCLOPS: The professor thought people would trust the X-Men if we looked like something they understood.

PROFESSOR X: That's correct, Scott. However...I've been working on better ways to encourage people to trust mutants. - New X-Men #114

BEAST: Because every few hundred thousand years, evolution, which emphatically does not proceed smoothly, takes huge catastrophic jumps. Old life forms get wiped from the fossil record overnight in periodic mass extinctions, and are replaced. I think Cassandra Nova is the first of a new unforeseen species. I think she'll instinctively use her outlandish natural gifts to wipe us out if she can. This could become a war for the domination of the biosphere.

JEAN GREY: Domination? War? Henry...Can't we think of a better way to deal with this? - New X-Men #116

The X-Men are superheroes. And what superheroes do is fight. They fight supervillains, they fight the giant robots sent by the government to kill them, they fight alien menaces, and they fight each other, endlessly. Unlike most superheroes, the X-Men also fight intangibles--hatred and prejudice--but they do so with their fists and claws and optic blasts. Professor X preaches a pacifist doctrine that seeks to effect nonviolent change, but sooner or later someone always ends up hitting somebody else.

Last week, with the publication of New X-Men #154, writer Grant Morrison finally stated explicitly the overarching point of his three-year run on the series: this fighting, this constant superheroic aggression, is keeping the X-Men from doing what their very premise suggests they should do. It’s keeping them from evolving. And just as the fictional mutants are unable to evolve past their punchups and fisticuffs, so have Marvel's X-Men books been unable to evolve past the formulas created for them by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, and later by Chris Claremont and John Byrne. What Morrison offers in New X-Men is a way to move past these old formulas--a way for the comic book itself to evolve.

Morrison, a Scottish writer who had previously explored the limits of comic-book reality by writing himself into Animal Man, revived the moribund Justice League of America, and possibly inspired The Matrix with The Invisibles, took over X-Men in May 2001, immediately renaming it New X-Men. The "New" was not just a cosmetic change, as Morrison introduced new characters (Xorn, Fantomex, and a school's worth of students), new costumes (leather jackets and motorcycle boots to replace yellow and blue spandex), secondary mutations (Emma Frost’s "organic diamond" skin, Beast's new feline form), a new villain (Cassandra Nova), and a new sense of purpose. "Feared and hated by the world they have sworn to protect" has always been the X-Men equivalent of Spider-Man's "With great power comes great responsibility"--it's the basis of the oppressed-minority metaphor the X-Men have participated in for four decades. But in Morrison's third issue, #116, the Beast (aka Dr. Henry McCoy) discovers an extinction gene in the human genome. Humanity will be all but wiped out within four generations, to be replaced by mutants "or something even stranger." While this revelation would give humans a new reason to hate and fear mutants, it also places the struggle between the two species into a larger perspective. Professor Xavier thinks humans and mutants can leave peacefully together; Magneto, the Malcolm X to Xavier's Martin Luther King, thinks mutants should conquer humans, or, failing that, separate themselves from humans entirely (which is exactly what he did, declaring himself ruler of the mutant nation of Genosha). But in the long run, evolution says neither doctrine really matters.

In New X-Men #115, Cassandra Nova launches a Sentinel attack on Genosha, killing 16 milion mutants, including Magneto. In an instant, the ideological struggle between Xavier and Magneto, which had lasted since the very first issue of X-Men in 1963, is over. Xavier wins by default, but Magneto, thanks to the extinction gene, gets the last laugh.

"Your species truly is more aggressive than homo sapiens. And even quicker to persecute and demonize others. We like to model your behavior, you see, to learn from your every move, so we can be more like you. Even the way you sit betrays an arrogance and self-confidence few ordinary humans attain in a lifetime." - John Sublime, New X-Men #118

"You...you run around fighting like Greek gods and...and monsters...If you want the truth, it's that people hate mutants because trouble follows you wherever you go!" - A human journalist, New X-Men #123

"The mutant species has registered toxic levels of aggression--nature itself has chosen to deal with your kind." - Imperial Sage Araki 6, New X-Men #133

The X-Men’s greatest villain is dead, and "after Genosha, the old troublemakers don’t seem to bother," as Cyclops puts it. In the absence of traditional supervillains, the X-Men look for new ways to bring about Xavier’s dream. Xavier outs himself as a mutant and takes the X-Men public, forming the worldwide X-Corporation; the Xavier Institute becomes "an outpost of the future, here and now, where we can actually push at the limits of possibility and rehearse the world of tomorrow." Xavier and his X-Men are actively working toward integration with humans, but, as always, trouble follows them: Cassandra Nova, Xavier's twin sister, who wants to exterminate all mutant life on earth; John Sublime and his U-Men, humans who accept mutant organ grafts to become members of the "third species" homo perfectus; Weapon XII, the latest mutant-killing supersoldier created by the Weapon Plus program, which turned Logan into Wolverine--aka Weapon X--years ago. There is something connecting these new villains, all of whom are dedicated to either destroying the mutant species or to turning man and mutant against each other. No matter what they do, aggression and war always find the X-Men. Or, as Wolverine puts it in NXM #133: "You know? Here's me trying my best to honor the strict pacifist principles of the Xavier Institute...and here's a bunch of slave traders filling me full of lead."

QUENTIN QUIRE: So much for the dream! All my life I've waited for this "dream" to come true! We were promised peace and security! All my life! Where is it? This place has taught me nothing but what it was like to run and fight and hide and--

PROFESSOR X: You could have submitted your critique in the form of an essay, Quentin. - New X-Men #137

ESME: Well...just because Miss Frost’s old students wore spandex and flew around like idiots doesn’t mean we have to be stupid, too.

SOPHIE: Stop fussing, Esme, and hand me the Kick. Haven’t you ever wanted to be a super hero? - New X-Men #137

In "Riot at Xavier's" (#135-138), a group of students led by the powerful telepath Quentin Quire and influenced by the power-enhancing drug Kick take over the Xavier Institute on Open Day, when humans are invited to the school. The students are protesting the alleged murder of mutant fashion designer Jumbo Carnation by a human gang, but the riot is really fueled by a combination of Kick and Quire's feelings of youthful rebellion and inadequacy in the wake of the news that he was adopted. The riot is yet more aggression, this time directed from mutant to mutant, but inspired by the belief that man and mutants are at war. That aggression leads to the student Sophie deciding to be a "super hero" and stop Quire by taking Kick and using Xavier's telepathy-enhancing Cerebra machine to boost her powers, a decision that results in her death. The X-Men subdue Quire, and before he is "liberated from his physical cocoon and born into a higher world," he has a revelation: "What if we were both wrong, Professor X...and it wasn't humans to blame at all? What if the real enemy...was inside...all along?" It turns out Quire is right; the real enemy is inside the mutants, as Morrison reveals in his final issue. But Morrison, through Quire, is making a larger commentary on X-Men and superhero comics in general--the aggression and belligerence inherent in super heroes is what keeps them from evolving, just as the X-Men’s constant battles keep them from achieving Xavier’s dream. "The supermen fight and die and return in a meaningless shadowplay because we make them do it," says that internal enemy in issue #154, and that sentiment could just as easily come from the dark hearts of superhero publishers and writers. The decision to be a "super hero" is the decision to hurt someone, and in Morrison’s New X-Men, that decision leads to death. And you can’t evolve when you’re dead.

"These new encounters suggest puzzles I must solve. Equations of brute force. Calculus of conquest and annihilation." - Weapon XV, New X-Men #144

"Why didn't it kill me, Fantomex? Weapon XV...it was like...it was like running a fight program...like pro-wrestling..." - Cyclops, New X-Men #145

FANTOMEX: This was to be their headquarters...our headquarters. I was supposed to sit here, brooding under the spotlight while we targeted mutant nests for extermination. An unbeatable team of living Sentinels, custom-grown in The World. And Weapon Fifteen there...or "Ultimaton," God help him live that down. And Weapon Twelve..."Huntsman." You see what they were planning, Monsieur Summers? Market research. How better to introduce new strains of highly controversial, genetically-engineered supermen to the public? How else to unleash these hybrids on an unsuspecting population? This genetic cleansing operation disguised as a comic book fighting team.

CYCLOPS: Then it's war, isn't it? Humans never trusted us. They never will. They won't rest until we're all dead. - New X-Men #145

Morrison’s commentary on the limitations of super heroes reaches its metafictional peak in "Assault on Weapon Plus" (NXM #142-145). Wolverine, Cyclops and Fantomex, aka the rogue Super-Sentinel Weapon XIII, infiltrate the Weapon Plus program to find the truth about Wolverine’s past. What they find indicates that Wolverine was born and raised to be nothing but a killing machine--fighting is all he was ever done, and all he was ever meant to know how to do. "They chose me because I like to kill, Jeannie," he tells Jean Grey later, in #148. "All I'm good for's killing." That's true in both the intra- and extra-comic sense. Wolverine is by far the most popular X-Men character (in any given month he appears in at least three different monthly series, along with numerous guest appearances, if that gives you any idea), and that popularity is based largely on the fact that he likes to hurt people. He's the one with the razor-sharp claws popping out of his hands, remember? He's the very embodiment of superheroic aggression: a character who exists only to fight and kill, and who can’t be killed himself. The first page of Morrison's first issue (#114) is a shot of Wolverine tearing a giant Sentinel robot to bits with his claws; Cyclops, standing below him, says "Wolverine. You can probably stop doing that now." In Morrison's final issue, #154, Phoenix warns Wolverine, locked in a battle with the archvillain Sublime, "Don’t let Sublime contaminate you! Don’t fight!" These two bookending statements sum up Morrison’s attitude toward the X-Men’s superheroic aggression, as personified by Wolverine: they can probably stop doing that now. But Morrison knows they probably won't; he allows Wolverine to achieve peace, but he achieves it only by getting himself killed.

The second secret of the Weapon Plus program is that the various Weapon Plus Super-Sentinels, including Fantomex, Weapon XII and Weapon XV, were to be unleashed upon Earth’s mutant population in the guise of a superhero team, one modeled to a degree on the Justice League of America. Here is where Morrison makes explicit the connection between the "toxic levels of aggression" to be found in both mutants and superhero comics. The Super-Sentinels will turn mutant against human once more, and retard the process of evolution by distracting mutantkind with pointless battles, just as traditional superhero comics keep from growing and changing by offering up slam-bang action every month. More specifically, in the case of X-Men comics, the comics can’t evolve and change until they move past the "feared and hated" routine, past the "classic" X-Men trappings. And there’s no X-Men trapping more classic than Magneto.

MAGNETO: Wolverine! Maniac! If I must fight, at least it is for a cause! You do it for pleasure! Too long have I planned, X-Men. Too long has mutantkind suffered! This time, my victory will not be denied!

STORM: It will, Magneto, because it must be! If we are hated and feared, it is in large part because of you! - Uncanny X-Men #150: "I, Magneto" by Chris Claremont & Dave Cockrum, October 1981

"Magneto had become a legend in death, an inspiration for change. Now look at you--just another foolish and self-important old man, with outdated thoughts in his head. You have nothing this new generation of mutants wants...except for your face on a T-shirt. They have ideas of their own now. Perhaps it's time we put away the old dreams, the old manifestos...and just listened for a while. Your way will never work, Erik. This can't go on. I think you've had enough. I think we've all had enough." - Professor X, New X-Men #150

After "Assault on Weapon Plus" comes "Planet X" (#146-150), in which Morrison brings back Magneto in a resurrection that was both shocking and shockingly well-integrated into the series; clues to his reappearance had been planted since his death in #115, but they were so subtle as to be undetectable until the stories were reread, at which point they were unmistakable. Magneto's plan represents old-school supervillainy at its most absurdly grandiose: he had been lying in wait at the Xavier Institute for months disguised as the mutant healer Xorn, recruiting students to his cause, before announcing himself to Xavier and the world, destroying the Institute and taking over Manhattan, declaring it New Genosha. Next he plans to reverse the earth’s magnetic poles, killing every human. But the Magneto here is not the noble ruler he had become before his death; his powers enhanced and his mind ravaged by the drug Kick, he is a power-hungry, human-hating lunatic who inspires nothing but contempt in his newly recruited Brotherhood of Mutants. "This guy’s no hero, he’s a jerk," says former Xavier Institute student and Brotherhood recruit Beak. "Magneto is nothing but a jerk!" Morrison turns the traditional Magneto story on its head here. Magneto’s conviction has always drawn other mutants to him, but now his drug-fueled plans to kill mankind push them away; he is unable to inspire the mutants of New Genosha with his over-the-top speeches, which his lieutenant Toad dismisses as too “Shakespearean.” Magneto, and the cackling brand of supervillainy he represents, is exposed here as a sham. He was able to recruit Xavier’s students only in his guise as the pacifist Xorn. The students were drawn to the gentleness and wisdom of Xorn, who represents everything "new" Morrison tried to add to the X-Men. Once the students see Magneto for who he is, however, they turn their backs on him, and, symbolically, on the old X-Men paradigm he represents. In Chris Claremont and Dave Cockrum's Uncanny X-Men #150 from 1981, the X-Men prevent Magneto from destroying the world by showing him the errors in his doctrine; but in New X-Men #150, Wolverine kills Magneto. Morrison knows that Magneto, though he may change, would always revert back to the power-mad supervillain he once was--Magneto was an infection, preventing the X-Men from evolving. He had to be eradicated.

EMMA FROST: Stop trying to live up to such ridiculous, restrictive ideals. Let yourself fall. Stop being such an old super hero, Scott.

CYCLOPS: But I’ve never been anything else...I’ve never been allowed to be anything else. - New X-Men #138

"Scott. You’re my favorite super hero." - Jean Grey to Cyclops, New X-Men #126

What Morrison has attempted with New X-Men is an inoculation. He injected the series with all the old viruses--Magneto, Sentinels, evil twins, dystopian futures, the Phoenix, Weapon X, the Shi'ar Empire--but in altered forms that showed them for the diseases they had become. They worked in the past, but now they keep the X-Men idea from progressing--they keep the mutants locked in an endless series of battles and reworkings of past ideas. Morrison's New X-Men is one last shot of all the old tropes, a chance for the characters and the readers to build antibodies against them so they can't come back. So the X-Men can evolve out of the superhero box they were shoehorned into (given what has been revealed so far of Marvel's post-Morrison plans, there’s only a slim chance of this actually happening). And Morrison's not just talking about the old superhero saws of pacifism vs. violence and should-we-kill? vs. we-shouldn't-kill; he’s talking about the aggression at the very core of superhero comics. Superhero fights started as metaphors, but now they refer only to themselves, and the only progress made is in the level of graphic detail. The idea of the superman, New X-Men tells us, has the potential for much more than just an excuse for earth-shattering wrestling matches. We created the supermen, and there is still more we can learn from them, just as they are capable of more--even something as profound and simple as love.

Cyclops--Scott Summers--is the X-Men's prototypical super hero, their leader and all-around stick-in-the-mud. He's married to Jean Grey, a telepath and telekinetic who every once and a while plays host to the destructive cosmic power of the Phoenix. But Scott's not happy with the marriage, and he can't tell Jean--but he can tell the seductive Emma Frost, with whom he begins a telepathic affair. So begins Scott's descent from super hero to human being (mutant, actually, but you get the point), from boring cliché to screwed-up, vibrant, living person. It's a fall, but also a rebirth, and that rebirth is the heart of Morrison's New X-Men. The fall is what makes us human; a super hero who never falls isn't a hero at all, but an untouchable god. Beak becomes a hero after a literal fall caused by Magneto; the organ-harvesting U-Men refuse to breathe the air or touch the ground of the "fallen world." But the fallen world is the only world we, and the X-Men, have. Utopia is an unachievable dream, and Eden is the eugenic nightmare of Sublime in Morrison's final story, "Here Comes Tomorrow." At the end, Jean Grey, as the Phoenix, must choose between the perfect, cold, superheroic "love" she and Scott had, and the messy, complex love he shares with Emma. She chooses the fallen world; like Morrison, she burns away the past to make room for the future.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:34 / 29.03.04
We really don't need that article taking up space here. Anyone with half a brain can see what Mozza was getting at w/ Magneto's tired fucking finale. By the end, it's pretty bleedin' clear that everyone thinks Mags is a bit of a dick-head in a special cloak and crown-helmet. That's what we're supposed to think! Okay, perhaps we didn't need Planet X to underline that very obvious fact, but Grant was just making sure....

And what Flowers said about amusing comic book conventions. Sometimes Granty just gives it up for the soapiness.

Now, whether or not this means Planet X is enjoyable writing is neither here nor there. You're entitled not to enjoy it - that's up to you - but it's worth attempting to understand where this shit's coming from.

And I don't think there was anything terribly messy or confusing about HCT.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
23:20 / 29.03.04
"Okay, perhaps we didn't need Planet X to underline that very obvious fact, but Grant was just making sure...."

Given how many people don't "get" that very thing, I imagine it was pretty damn necessary.
 
 
Gary Lactus
14:44 / 30.03.04
Hmmm, but it does seem a bit like willfull ignorance, Kev, esp in the light of the zillion and one comments at the beginning of the series re Mags being an outdated/outmoded penis. It hardly takes a fine-toothed-comb reading to establish that Mozza was interested in pushing mutant thinking beyond the Mags/Charles dialectic.
 
 
Gary Lactus
15:07 / 30.03.04
Actually, Flux, I take that stuff about the essay back. It's really good. Sorry and marriage.

I'm pleased that there are other friends-of-the-superhero out there who'd like to see these books taken in a more imaginative direction. And that's the key word here: imagination. Mutants could be a fantastic vehicle for exploring all sorts of fun, new narrative/storytelling techniques and ideas, it's a shame they've been lumbered with eternal wrestling matches.

Just watched Spirited Away and (along with the rest of Studio Ghibli's output) it really hammered home the idea that you can enjoy far-out, fantastical fantasy shit w/out fisticuffs.
 
 
Quireboy
18:40 / 30.03.04
No offence to Transpotr but why not read NXM from the beginning before complaining you don't get it. Would you start reading a novel a third of the way through then complain you didn't get something hinted at on page 5?
 
 
SecretlyClarkKent
23:02 / 31.03.04
Quireboy, I have read the entire run. I didn't start reading it until Morrison was onto his second storyline, but I do own and have read his entire run. And my problem isn't only that some of it makes no sense... although a lot of it doesn't, and it's not because of any actual ignorance on my part, my problem is that Grant Morrison continually said he was doing something cool and original with the X-Men and for awhile, he really, really was. So it was really, really disappointing when he stopped. The reveal of Mageto was tired. It lacked originality. And the final story arc was at least seven or eight issues worth of storyline squished into four.

So much of the posturing on the other New X-Men threads reads like Grant Morrison fans making shit up to make Morrison's storylines make sense. I'm not interested in that.

I understand that a lot of people think that Morrison is brilliant for works outside of New X-Men and that Barbelith is generally bent in Morrison's favor. I have no problem with that. I assure you that I didn't become a Morrison fan by reading New X-Men... I had been exposed to him before. And it's because I liked his work that I sought New X-Men out.

I also understand that Morrison wanted to keep his storyline in touch with the previous X-Men storylines, although I assumed that when he wrote that he wasn't going to be a slave to continuity, he wasn't going to rely on every tired X-Men cliche to carry his story into fruition.

It really disappointed me, and I'm surprised that so many people are absolutely in awe of a storyline that's so poorly written. I understand that Morrison planted a great deal out ahead of time, and that does make him a good writer. It's one of the things I loved about his run... I was just really disappointed that his 'brilliant plotting' ended up in the exact same place as so many stories before it.

-Jared
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:30 / 01.04.04
Well...I'm one of *those,* so I have yet to read Here Comes Tomorrow, but I have just recently read the Planet X tpb, and I don't think my initial response to the big reveal was too far removed from anyone else's. Actually, I'd read the single of NXM #147 when the cover screamed out at me from a magazine rack in a drugstore (that the same cover -- Mags standing there, revealed plainly as Xorn -- was used for the Planet X tpb shows that Marvel's marketing department is either completely clueless, or well aware that any spoiler shock had long since been killed on the net), and my response was basically total revulsion. Having since read the entire arc, I don't think it would have been much improved had I first read #146. #147 did indeed seem, out of context, to wipe its ass with everything that had been fresh and original in the run to that point; and, since I totally hated the Weapon Plus arc too, I was pretty much prepared to fully loathe the remainder of the run.

I think that Planet X in full shows pretty clearly that Morrison intended to piss people off by returning to the tired, played-out old tropes of x-books, though -- I mean, that's a little hard to miss. Scott's feeling of betrayal more or less summarized how I felt about Morrison when I'd picked up #147, and Xavier's Magneto dis basically encapsulated why...um...I pretty much tend to avoid comics like this in the first place, unless someone whose work I really like is working on them. It's lame, it's played-out, it's over. Planet X is intended to be a story about stories -- metafiction, in a way -- specifically about a certain kind of superhero story that, for me, outlived its usefulness a really, really long time ago. That it's disguised as such a story itself may inspire a bit of spontaneous yacking. It did in me, till I figured out what I was actually looking at.

On the other hand, I do still think it disappoints, mostly because it doesn't quite live up to its own promises -- i.e., if superhero stories can move forward, why is there so little evidence of that here? Aspects of the story that could have been opened up and made to mean something are glossed over repeatedly in order to move briskly on to the next action sequence. The most glaring example is the resurrection of the Phoenix, only to kill her off like ten minutes later, all with only the vaguest and most prosaic explanation of what the Phoenix even is. I know this last gets addressed in Here Comes Tomorrow, and maybe it's not a letdown, but seriously, this is the kind of grand cosmic shit that Morrison is *good* at...couldn't we have gotten a little more here than "the Phoenix has come to disinfect the earth?" I have a bad feeling that a lot of promising stuff just gets left hanging at the end of all this, and I'm not exactly moved to rush to a comics shop and pick up the last four issues now to be sure of it. I can definitely wait for the trade.

Anyway -- can you tell I'm avoiding my homework? -- the shark-jumping arc for me actually comes with Weapon Plus, and I'm not sure how much of that is just because of Chris Bachalo's worst art of all time (remember when Bachalo used to be really, really good?). Planet X, whatever its faults, is (in my view) certainly an improvement over that. I even got over the Xorn thing by the end of it, although let's face it, the impossibly over-complicated degree to which a person would have to go to pull off such a deception is pretty fucking ridiculous.
 
 
spake
00:56 / 01.04.04
"The reveal of Magneto was tired. It lacked originality."

I totally agree with you there. Nothing inspired me more to continue reading GM's NXM than watching what I thought was the death by sentinel, of a worn-out wheel-chair bound Magneto. And then they bring him back from the dead - again.(ad nauseum)

However, the hugely emotional response and anger i felt at the reveal of Xorn as Magneto, was a brilliant play on GM's behalf! It showed me how much i really had interacted with the characters he'd created, and just how much emotion i'd invested in Xorn as a person. And that to me is what constitutes a well-written, great story.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
01:09 / 01.04.04
Has anyone explored the idea that Xorn is a fiction suit for GM?

If so... what does the reveal mean?

"FUCK YOU, FANBOY?" That seems to jive with other things said here.
 
 
Neville Barker
09:40 / 01.04.04
Seems alot of consensus here that the third year was not up to par and so on... but as I understood it (and please, stop me if I am wrong), Morrison was pissed that Quesada or whoever the boss hog at marvel shitcanned his Marvel boy sequel and thus decided to wrap up his run on NXM early. Wouldn't this explain his needing to maybe cut a few hairs uneven in order to get his point across early (ie, the writing may have seemed less than what it was). And as far as Mags, well, I have always HATED the character for being the boring ass one dimensional 'viilian' he has been in ALL the years I read (early eighties to about the time of 'Joseph' in the 90's, hahaha) but Grant really flipped the bird on the character far as Im concerned. Think about it.
Mags...drug addict
Mags...not even respect from his long awaited 'the big bad future of evil mutants'. I mean no one but toad respects him and toad is a dildo character, forgot about until the movies.
Mags...obviously so lame, but then still manages to fuck up the entire island of Manhattan.... this was the equivalent of Cobra Commander finally killing a Joe...I mean only under Morrison did this lame ass ever do anything worthwhile as a villain at all, and it was still in the middle of being riddiculed and not taken seriously.
Grant highlighted the flaws built into the character (and the series) and then trampled them by making him (and it) actually do horrible (different) fucking things!
I hate Mags, as I hate most of these characters (god, b4 Grant I couldnt stand scott Jean or Xavier since, well since ever. Actually, I still hate Xavier, except for the scene where he shoots Nova, or she shoots him, whatever) but Morrsion did good things with them. Even made me like them (esp. Scott and Jean).
the day I picked up pt 4 of Future I cancelled my subscript on the book with my comic shop. No one will ever make me give three shits about these tired ass characters again (except maybe the right writer on Wolvie)
Cheers
NB
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
18:09 / 01.04.04
Actually... if Xorn is a fiction suit for GM, and Xorn turns out to be Magneto, and Grant has dabbled with the drugs... Mags' big defeat of Manhattan and subsequent downfall could mirror Grant's attempts to make something of the X-Men only to have it all tear down around him (as I'm sure having Claremont return will prove). Then he follows it up with the absurd wankfest Silvestri future brawl as if it's what Marvel wanted all along.

Huh... it's actually interesting thinking of it that way and I can see pointers in the series and in the comics news world (Grant's falling out with Q) which support it.

...

...

... huh.
 
 
spake
19:44 / 01.04.04
Surely GM would retain some form of professionalism with regards to his creation, and not attempt to fuck around with it like that, or to fuck with us for that matter?
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
22:53 / 01.04.04
Well, I don't see the problem with the theory, to be honest. I mean, he's done this in the past with King Mob turning from revolutionary to sell-out, so... where's the difference here where Xorn turns out to be the biggest villain?

It actually makes the most sense to me from any of the other explanations here. And Grant does so love to fuck with the readers, why should that not be in his MO?
 
 
spake
23:47 / 01.04.04
I dont think that GM absolutely loves to fuck with us, so much as he creates enough confusion and ambiguity for us to draw our own conclusions from his writing.

As for the whole good guy revealed as bad guy thing, King Mob wasn't a sell-out, he simply took the invisibles movement and used the enemy's techniques to proliferate the future with Invisibilism - "I use the N.M.E" - but i do kind of get your point.

In hindsight, i am grateful that GM turned Magneto into a drug abusing psychotic despot - especially when it fits with the evolution theme in the NXM story-arc, and the whole "In" versus "Out" thing. But i still feel that the X-Men as a whole could benefit from retaining a character like Xorn, shame he had to "die" really.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
00:29 / 02.04.04
I haven't seen an elucidation on the 'in' vs. 'out' theory, what do you mean?

And the reaction of King Mob as a sell out is evident in Jack's reaction, as is the not letting go of Xorn with the constant remarks of 'I liked Xorn better' from other characters. It's a sound comparison. He builds up a character then shoots him down, revealing the hero to be nothing other than a sad druggie, or in this case a sad pedophilic (his relationship with Esme was a bit creepy for me) drug addict silver age villain who after finally winning his big battle, finds that he has nowhere to go but down. Much worse than turning a revolution into a video game as Mob did, but a big let-down nonetheless.

Also, Grant does again and again fuck with his audience with the 'follow the clues' in the Mystery Play that reveal nothing, and the supposed machismo in Arkham Asylum which he was later quoted on as being a joke, to name two examples. He is a prankster, this is in his character. To not accept it is to not accept a lot of aspects of his writing. I find it hard to think that he would pass up the opportunity to do so again with the most read comic in America, the X-Men.
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:31 / 02.04.04
I'm with Shiva here, particularly in re: King Mob. On a basic storytelling level, it's "fucking with" the reader to have a character do a 180 (though I think KM did something more like a 90, actually), but on a deeper level, I think it reflects human nature. How many people remain in one mode their entire lives? Most of those I can think of essentially become caricatures of themselves. It's hard to argue for King Mob having sold out on the basis of (a) no longer dressing in fetish gear all the time ('cause, really, he was kinda too old for that sort of thing at the actual beginning of the series, to say nothing of 2012), (b) no longer shooting people (while Fantomex -- who seems like KM circa v1 revisited to me -- does make it look like an awful lot of fun, the more realistic universe of The Invisibles makes the consequences of John Woo-style violence for oneself and others pretty plain), and (c) his work on video games in the corporate realm, which seem intended to (non-violently) continue his work as an Invisible. The transition of KM from full-on assassin to something subtler (and, on the surface, more conventional) from v2 to v3 read to me as evolution, and a very important thematic element in the series as a whole.

Uh...it probably says something about NXM that I no longer remember what you said about it that prompted this reply.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
00:42 / 02.04.04
Nah, we see Jack breaking into KM's lair at the end of volume 3, so that KM is portrayed as the turncoat and villain. KM's defence is admittedly open to interpretation, but he is portrayed as a villain as Jack is striking against him in the ways of the old war in the last issue of vol 3, no vagueness there.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
01:50 / 02.04.04
Of course the point, at the risk of getting off topic, is that there is not such thing as selling out and that the counterculture always wins by being absorbed into the overculture. All of which is just playing games until Culture gets absorbed into the supercontext.

To read KM's seeming "heel-turn" as a statment aganst DC or Xorn's revalation as Magneto as a strike against Marvel is sort of missing the point.

The point was to use Magneto to illustrate how dead end the Magneto vs. Xavier conflict is and really show the true tragedy of Magneto: his wasted potential.

Magneto was given a last chance to acheive a better world. He was more beneficial to mutantkind as a martyr. As Xorn he did actually manage to help the special class... Xorn was free of the baggage that kept Magneto from being a great teacher.

When he snapped, not only was it a huge betrayal, but it shows that Mags just dosen't get it and never will. He could have been one of the world's greatest heroes, but he could not let go of his hate and his ego.

I don't worship the ground the Mozz walks on and I think that parts of his NXM run were a letdown... but I think the Xorneto arc is amazing. Perhaps not "the ultimate magneto story" as it's billed in the "E for Extinction" TPB, but still the best use of the character in years. A pitty the reprocussions of what has happened won't last long.
 
 
eddie thirteen
02:22 / 02.04.04
Yeah, but the operative term here is "in the ways of the old war." KM's moved on; Jack hasn't. It's not to say either of them is "wrong," per se -- KM has just developed a different means of operating. (I don't have the book in front of me at present, but Jack certainly seems to realize this, as I recall...the potential conflict comes to a grinding halt once Jack sees who his "enemy" is.) I think it's significant that KM, by the last issue, is playing the role of subversive in the only feasible, non-violent manner possible in anything like the real world. Anyhow, that's certainly how I looked at it; I guess that mileage may vary.
 
 
spake
02:23 / 02.04.04
Mister Six: check out the "New Xmen #154" thread, for further de-mystification on the whole "in" versus "out" thing. Its far too big for my head to fully elaborate on in a handful of sentences. Sorry.
 
  

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