Barbelith Underground > Switchboard > Good news for terrorists? (Spanish Election Results)

that term has me in stitches "liberal media"

I have no figures to hand but over here in the UK, on the right we have

The Sun (R Murdoch)

The Daily Mail (Right wing Little Englander nonsense,we still have an Empire)

The Telegraph (Right Wing but well written)

The Times (again Mr Murdoch)

The Star (rag mag full of tits that wishes it had the circulation of the Sun....still full of "FUCK jOHNNY fOreigner stupidity")

The Express (which claims to be owned by a liberal left winger but in actual faxt is the most xenophobic and right wing next to the Daily Mail)

In the middle we have "the Independant" ....pretty unbiased either way but low circulation

then more left wing we have the Mirror and the Guardian

So it is plain to see that the vast majority of Brits are getting their daily diet of news from Right wing leaning papers

Shit Even Tony Blair had to become a Right Wing stooge to get elected.

As for the issue in hand, I (like cusm) believe that polls are a sham and are used to shape public opinion more than display it. A lot of people on here are interested in magick and it is no secret that if you can control the unconscious processes of masses of people, there is likely to be an effect.

The war in Iraq was unpopular in Spain (as it was in Britain) prior to the war commencing. When a war starts, often swing voters will forget their objections and just hope their own boys come home alive. This can account for polls (if you believe them!) showing an upsurge when the war actually begins

Aznar was unpopular before the war for agreeing to go along with it. Most Spaniards recognised (just MY opinion) that this war had nothing to do with Al Queda......Saddam had reason to fear Fundamentalists as much as we in the West. The Spanish people I believe recognised that instead of fighting terrorism, this war was likely to build resentment in the Muslim world and add to the recruits joining Fundamentalist organisations.

He may have been blamed for politicising the tragedy and trying to blame ETA but he might also be receiving residual resentment for what the Spanish people might quite rightly see, as creating a quagmire that their troops should never have gotten involved in (all just my opinion again)

As somebody said in a post above, unfortunately we in Britain have no such option, the only other electable party being Pro War also.
Spain's result was actually quite cheering for me

It Disproved my long held suspicion that democracy is dead. For example in the upcoming US debacle, we have the choice between George Bush or John Kerry

WOW! Two Skull and Bones men

Kerry to me is the lesser of two evils but I doubt that the average hard working American joe will see any difference as Kerry will support the same policies that are allowing millions of jobs to go to call centres and sweatshops in Asia.

At least Spain (on the surface .....only time will tell) seems to have proved that despite the pressure that the CIA and who knows what other shadowy foreign powers bring to bare.......a sovereign state can stand up to pressure from the worlds' only superpower

I am Not Anti American.....far from it. But to the rest of the world, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the US is being run by a gang of corrupt bastards with nothing but their own profit being their concern...they hold all the cards, put up all the candidates and sadly for the rest of us, we here in Europe are racing headlong to emulate you!!!!!! Our own elections are often between two candidates who if you trace them back are funded by the same people or organisations.

I voted for Blair and I now hate him with a vengance. Sadly I hate Michael Howard his opposition even more as when he was last in Government he was shown to be a thoroughly amoral man who bent the law to aid his family members evade drug charges.