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Krug
13:31 / 16.03.04
/At least Morrissey and Moore are trying to grow old disgracefully./

Umm....Morrison still acts like he's 17 in interviews.

Which I quite like, but I just thought I'd point it out.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:30 / 16.03.04
DIS-gracefully. The clue's in the wording.
 
 
Chubby P
15:04 / 16.03.04
I can't beleive what an arse John Byrne is! Every oppurtunity he gets he snipes at something he doesn't like.

"Even thought she is the second coolest DP character, I will attempt to give Rita some praise: Acres and acres of beatuful redhead!
*******
Wait til you see the issue where she uses Cliff as a vibrator. Oh, wait, sorry, this isn't THE AVENGERS. . . . "

This is then followed by loads of "You tell em Steve Dave!" posts.

Theres also posters over there insinuating that Alan Moore doesn't even like the medium of comics and looks down on them! Alan frigging Moore looks down on comics!!! Goddammit some people piss me off!

And to annoy me more clicking a link over at the John Byrne forum changed my Barbelith window and I've had to write this reply twice now!

I know I should seperate the man from the work but its hard to bring yourself to pay money for a project that a person with that attitude has produced.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:46 / 16.03.04
Byrne has sort of got a point but then again he hasn't, Grant does tend to introduce new main characters in order to develop stories the way he wants to, Crazy Jane, Rebis, Fantomex, Zauriel, Aztek, but one might argue that that is the writers job.

When did Unca Byrne turn so gosh-darn mean?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:54 / 16.03.04
I always thought Grant was introducing new characters for other writers to run with, something they by and large didn't manage to do. What's wrong with coming up with as many weird new heroes as you can during your brief tenure on a title.
Oh, and Unca John turned mean when his creative juices dried up somewhere in the early 90's and he was reduced to trying to become Jack Kirby. Only problem being, Jack Kirby was a ceaseless fountain of bizarro ideas and inventive storytelling. Kind of like Grant...
 
 
diz
17:06 / 16.03.04
I always thought Grant was introducing new characters for other writers to run with, something they by and large didn't manage to do.

well, he killed off Aztek, didn't he? other than that, i agree with you.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
17:46 / 16.03.04
That was kind of a 'fuck you' to the powers that be, for cancelling Aztek's own title I guess. That and the fact that he promised deaths for the 'WW3' storyline (upon which he really didn't deliver enough for my gorehound tendencies. Check Zenith Phase 3 for rrreeeeeeeal superhero slaughter.)
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:07 / 16.03.04
Aztek was always mumbling something about having an ultimate destiny, too, so it was probably the only way to make good on that promise.
 
 
Chubby P
10:12 / 17.03.04
I remember reading in an interview with Grant that he was disappointed when he left DC for Marvel that DC didn't use the toys he had left them. Now he's left Marvel I'm sure he's really happy that Marvel are playing with Fantomex, Weapon Plus, the Scott & Emma relationship and Mutant Town instead of ignoring all those things.

I read my Azteks a couple of days ago. Not the greatest of comics but it was starting to go places when it got cancelled.
 
 
The Falcon
12:49 / 17.03.04
The whole X-Men reload seems predicated on New X-Men, dunnit?
 
 
diz
02:49 / 18.03.04
The whole X-Men reload seems predicated on New X-Men, dunnit?

sort of. i'm really afraid that there's going to be this wave of "oh, how wrong we've been for the past few years!" sort of revisionism.
 
 
bio k9
04:04 / 10.07.04
Doom Patrol 101
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:28 / 10.07.04
The Byrne stuff is out, and it's typical sloppy Byrne art and faux 60's writing. The comic shop I help out at said that they haven't had ANYONE under 30 even look at it.

But when it comes to the whole, "He retconned my favorite" stuff....I don't really care if someone retcons something. Just because Marvel kept publishing Howard the Duck after Gerber quit, doesn't mean I have to read then, or even care that they exist. Same with any other book. I read each creator's run like a novel, and if the next novel is by someone I don't care for, I just let it go.

In 5 years someone will come along and undo Byrne's stuff, and then in 15 years someone will come along who read Morrison's stuff and try to build on that, ignoring everything else.
 
 
Lord Morgue
05:39 / 10.07.04
Shit. I thought Marvel had used Dr. Doom's time machine to trap Byrne in the past, so all he could do was hump retro-continuity.
Ah well, you know he'll be distracted by a passing sparrow or something and leave the book mid-plot-line. Like he always does.
What was the last good thing he did? First few issues of Namor looked good, with all the Duo-tone, until you realise it had no plot, and Byrne's idea of an "Environmental" super-hero was a multi-national corperate head running oil tankers, and the badguys were the eco-terrorists. Kind of like his Iron Man, where the Unions were throwing molotovs from pickup trucks.
She-Hulk at least was funny, at least his first series, and didn't he erase Gerber's run from continuity? There was some stuff there I liked- seeing Howard and Bev again, the Church of Organism, the Baloneyverse, the Critic, the return of Dr. Angst and his Merry Misanthropes (the Black Hole SUCKS!), and Nosferata. Eh, Next Men was fucking limp. It was like he finally had artistic freedom, but couldn't come up with anything new to do with original characters.
I still reckon Superman, Alpha Flight, and the Bill Mantlo-written Fantastic Four issues were his career peaks, and the rest is reverb.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
07:42 / 10.07.04
I should just like to note that I took as long a look as I could stand at the new DOOM PATROL last week, and my opinion is as follows:

PANTS.

And not good pants, neither, oh no; splitting, fraying pants with a stuck fly and a button about to fly off when next tried over Byrne's fat belly, and some stains around the crotch whose origins are best left unsaid. Pants, pants, pants.

I predict this will last about as long as HELIX: THE BROKEN CITY, and definitely not as long as POWER COMPANY. Perhaps just slightly longer than the last incarnation of SUICIDE SQUAD, if only because somewhere Mike Carlin is not comprehending that the name John Byrne has meant nothing since, oh, around when he left SHE-HULK. Wossat, 15 years or so? Sounds about right.

/+,
 
 
Warewullf
11:02 / 10.07.04
I read each creator's run like a novel, and if the next novel is by someone I don't care for, I just let it go.

That's probably the healthiest attitiude to have and I've certainly come around to that way of thinking. It's a lot easier to do when you read TPB's.

I got a copy of Byrne's DP and thank Jebus I didn't pay for it. It's an utter fucking shambles.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
15:14 / 10.07.04
Just wanted to say I'm glad my initial assumption turned out to be completely wrong!! Nice to see Vols 1 & 2 of Grants run being issued, with more to come subject to sales!
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
03:29 / 11.07.04
I think comics should end up like novels, with each "story" being its own novel.

And Byrne is actively fighting against that. He believes that comics shoudl stay as monthly soap operas, and people who wait for the trade are killing the medium. Funny how the system of cheap monthies followed by trades, and the trades selling well works in Japan and here in the US, Japanese comics are outselling American outside the fatbeard stores.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:01 / 11.07.04
Doom Patrol seems to be a bit like Swamp Thing, DC keep trying to revive a title that they cancelled because the sales weren't there, and they'll keep doing it and keep cancelling it.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
18:11 / 11.07.04
I think the reason they keep bringing those titles back are because someone convinces an editor that they know what was wrong with the previous version, and they have the solution. In some cases it works (Teen Titans, X-Men, JSA) but in most it doesn't.

The other thing to remember is that when you look at what sells and what doesn't, very very little in the top 100 is a comic whose main character wasn't created less than 30 years ago. Comic shops are filled with people who want to wallow in nostalgia.
 
 
bio k9
23:15 / 25.07.05
Lying in the Gutters (July 25, 2005) says "Doom Patrol" and "Breach" have been officially cancelled according to internal DC memos, ending at issues 18 and 11 respectively.

Be sure to keep an eye on Byrne Robotics for the fun that is sure to follow...
 
 
Billuccho!
00:50 / 26.07.05
Sanity prevails.

But the Byrnies seem to want to sue Mr. Johnston for libel. Hee hee.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
03:53 / 26.07.05
Byrne doesn't want to explain to people that the book was being renewed on six issue contracts, and he has not gotten a contract for any issues beyond that....and it's currently selling only around 15,000 copies, which is barely profitable.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
07:43 / 26.07.05
So what was teh story behind Byrne's Doom Patrol? behind their relaunch i mean. Did they just show up looking exactly like they did in the 60s with no mention of any of the other series, or did he at least throw in some kind of reality bending/time warp/alternate universe thing to cover for it?
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:29 / 26.07.05
Well, I can't be arsed flicking through a copy then replacing it on the shelf- does he pick up any girls by the throat in the "Byrne Lock"? Torture any pregnant women? Define his female characters by having them raped?
Boy's got ISSUES. I imagine him wacking off at the drawing board, in suspenders, hose and gimp mask- "Look, Mother, I'm drawing so beautifully! AHAHAHA! Suck it, bitch! No, Mother! I'll be a good boy..."
 
 
Warewullf
12:13 / 26.07.05
From LITG:
"Doom Patrol" has been officially cancelled according to internal DC memos, ending at issue 18.


AAaaahhahahhahhaaa!

Sorry, sorry.

Ahem.

*snicker*

It did last longer than I thought, I'll give him that.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:03 / 26.07.05
YAY!!!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:08 / 26.07.05
Kirk Ultra- There wasn't any grand scheme, as I understand it we were just pretending that the Doom Patrol hadn't existed in the post-Crisis DCU and were therefore just a new team of misfits. Despite the fact that only a few months previously the last attempt to reboot Doom Patrol based on existing continuity had also failed.
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:11 / 26.07.05
BWAAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAH!!!

Come out of the woods, little people!
(Big musical number starts)
o/~ Ding dong, the witch is dead
Which old witch?
The Retcon Bitch!
Ding dong, the Retcon Bitch is dead!
 
 
FinderWolf
13:52 / 23.08.05
also from LITG:

>> Previews has made official the LITG report that issue 18 will be the last Doom Patrol. Byrne has confirmed that when editor Eddie Berganza leaves the Superman titles shortly, so will the current "Action Comics" team. And now it's been confirmed to me by a DC source that the gorgeous looking "Blood Of The Demon" will also not continue after issue 18. However, given Byrne's deserved reputation for production, expect a number of new projects to be announced as a result-- as well as trade paperbacks of older work for Marvel and DC, and the more recent "Superman: True Brit."

(Was Rich Johnston being generous when he said that 'Blood of the Demon' looks 'gorgeous'...?)

Also, Johnston points out in his column many instances of Byrne's pencils for Gail Simone's ACTION being completely redrawn, when his pencils particularly sucked.

I just wish Byrne would go away for a while. He really sucks now.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
14:41 / 23.08.05
Byrne's legion of followers point to the changes done to the artwork as tantamount to how Vince Colletta used to erase figures and backgrounds he didn't want to ink, but every one of the changes I have seen have shown that the art is being made better by the art changes.

I wonder if Byrne will be mad when people ignore his Doom Patrol re-boot and go back to how they were being used before he went all "I'm having a mid-life Crisis On Infinite Earths" about them.
 
 
bio k9
03:22 / 25.08.05
I agree that the pics look better after the inker finishes with them but if I was buying that book for Byrne's art I'd be disappointed too.
 
 
Krug
21:07 / 27.08.05
Old Chat Excerpt with Morrison...

Neurotic Boy Outsider: Any chance of a Doom Patrol reunion?

GM: I can't imagine doing any more Doom Patrol ever. Tom Peyer, I believe, is doing something with the '90s DP, and he's the only person I'd trust not to ruin my beloved characters. John Byrne has entertained numerous schemes over the years and will probably end up doing something with Doom Patrol -- like making it exactly the way it was in his youth but with enough of a Byrne spin to make everyone hate it.
 
 
Warewullf
11:31 / 28.08.05
Ahahahhaa!! That is fucking classic!
 
 
Lord Morgue
10:13 / 29.08.05
I liked "What my 80's art hero meant to say is..."
 
  

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