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Is there any good fantasy anywhere?

 
  

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Mistoffelees
08:51 / 14.08.06
Thanks for the asnwers, people!

Stoat, I´ve read Mythago Wood (I read about it in a letter in Promethea years ago), so it´s either this one or Phlebas, depending on which one my store has in store.
 
 
Sylvia
09:13 / 14.08.06
I'm surprised no one's mentioned Glen Cook yet - all the Erikson fans may want to give him a look, since he was a major influence on Erikson's writing. (Cook and Erikson have written about their mutual respect for each other's work. I can't say for sure but I suspect George RR Martin's read Cook as well) Try his first trilogy in The Black Company series. It's gritty military fantasy about a group of mercenary soldiers, written from a first person perspective by the grunts on the front line of war. Magic is nasty and largely unexplained and even wizards are vulnerable to a knife to the back. When I first read it, it was unlike any fantasy novel I'd ever read before and you can see some of his influence spread across the genre.

Seconding Robin Hobb and the Sabriel series, by the way. Hobb does characterizations incredibly well in the Assassin's Apprentice and Tawny Man series, and I'm liking her new Soldier's Son trilogy quite a bit. Sabriel was just a pure joy to read, with an interestingly imagined magic system without any of the sap or ease that usually kills the fantastical elements in fantasy.
 
 
Sax
11:46 / 14.08.06
I don't read much "proper" fantasy apart from Mievelle but I did enjoy Step Swainston's The Year of Our War and No Present Like Time, the first two in her Castle saga. A well-rounded medieval-esque world where people read newspapers and wear T-shirts but live in castles and chop each other's heads off. An ongoing war against a relentless enemy, analogous of all kinds of stuff, and some pretty good character development.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:31 / 14.08.06
I was gonna mention Glen Cook but I thought I already had- appears I didn't, so I'll second the recommendation instead. Fantasy novels that read like Vietnam novels. I've only read the first two, but they were both brilliant. The fact that the main characters in the Black Company are actually fighting on the side of "evil" (well, they're getting paid) to begin with also gives it an interesting spin.
 
 
Mistoffelees
21:08 / 14.08.06
The shop didn´t have Lavondyss or Phlegas so I bought Gardens of the Moon. The book is covered inside and outside with lots of praise, so I know the names of some people who´ll catch hell from me, if this should be as entertaining as reading a phone book.
 
 
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04:57 / 15.08.06
I dont want to sound funny but I find myself usually going back to wizardsof coast stuff for fantasy though I admit I am gettin bit bored with the style and predicatable nature..

Does any one remember the Ravenloft seris ?

I must of been in the obvious minority but the idea of lich facing off against a vampire in an effort to find a way out of those misty lands they were imprisoned in as punishment was really nice..

In fact as an archetype I love the idea of fallen heros turning bad and such or being tricked such as the Anakin Vader scenario.

I know that they just released a new ravenloft book but the teenage witch thing holds no interest at all for me..

To me some of the other scenarios they had in their rpg stuff like red masquerade , dark carnivale thing was much more interesting than another teenage witch story..
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
11:51 / 15.08.06
I’ve read about half of these and there are none I would diss. On Peter F Hamilton, I’ve just read the [what do you call a two book series?] of Pandora’s Star and Judas Unchained – rollicking big space opera stuff with nice characters, some good ideas and just generally well-paced writing. These are big buggers – if you love a big book, I’d say get hold of these.

I’ve also just recently finished Kiln People and it rocked. I enjoyed it so much that it inspired me to start a thread about why some works of detective sci-fi work so well and others don’t. I just haven’t got round to it yet. The ideas are really fun, kind of touched upon lightly and raised as issues rather than peddled as morals, and again the pacing makes it an enjoyable, if easy, read.

Interestingly, while I am a big fan of Alastair Reynolds, I would recommend steering clear of his latest (in paperback anyway) Century Rain because I consider it an example of detective sci-fi that doesn’t work. It is a considerable departure from his more hardcore space novels (like Revelation Space) though, so please don’t consider this a criticism of his work in general.

As I liked all the books I’ve read on your list, I’m now going to take the ones I haven’t and turn them into a list of my own. Thanks Mist!
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:16 / 15.08.06
You´re welcome!

And thank you for telling me, my research might actually have worked.
 
 
Axolotl
18:37 / 15.08.06
Jon Courtenay Grimwood and his arabesk series is well worth checking out, it's a cyberpunky kind of thing but set in the middle-east which gives it a nice feel. I really enjoyed the entire series.
Larry Niven is fairly straight forward hard sci-fi. I always think his ideas are better than his writing - his dialogue in particular has certain tics that make everyone sound the same - but that's often the case with hard sci-fi.
 
 
nixwilliams
23:30 / 13.09.06
given that you're looking for stylistically interesting fantasy, perhaps you could get a couple of anthologies of 'women' and/or 'queer' writers, and see which authors grab your attention. i'm not saying that all queer/female authors write 'differently', but just that those collections tend towards something more experimental. a lot of the time the stories tend towards sci-fi or horror, but i often find them a good starting point.
 
 
Rayvern
11:30 / 20.09.06
Wow - someone else has picked up Brust...fantastic!
I first found him down the local library in my late teens and spent the next 3 months search all the other local libraries for other stories about Taltos.
I had a hankering to re-read these recently and had a very difficult time finding them (they have been out of print for a long while now). Very good read though....

Other fantasy authors I've enjoyed are:
Feist - though not all of them. Magician was great and the Conclave of Shadows series are good too. Read the others, but wouldn't rate them as highly.
Simon r Green - Blue Moon Rising is a good easy, relatively humorous read, as is ShadowsFall and Blood and honour. Can take or leave the rest as timepassers.
Trudi Canavan - Dark Magician Trilogy is quite a nice read. Enjoyed the characters and story.
Roger Zelazny - Really enjoyed reading the Chronicles of Amber - a nice multiworlder that hits modern times as well as fantasy.

Read through the Richard Morgan series about Kovacs - enjoyed them all (though first and last more than the middle). If you liked these I would heartily recommend picking up Market Forces by him too...an interesting (Mad Maxian) look at the future of corporate business.
 
 
Elettaria
14:39 / 20.09.06
Angela Carter stretches magic realism until it's pretty much fantasy a few times, for instance The Passion of New Eve and The Infernal Desire Machines of Dr Hoffman. Same goes for Leonora Carrington's The Hearing Trumpet. Both solid, well-respected authors.
 
 
DavidXBrunt
21:23 / 21.09.06
I'm about three quarters of the way through Susanna Clarkes 'Jonathon Strange & Mr Norrell' and if I had the strength of will I'd put it down and ration it to make it last longer I don't, so I won't, and the book will be over before the week is.

It's the story of two magicians in the early part of the 19th century with conflicting temperaments and ideals. Both want to restore the tradition of English Magic but the decisions they make along the way, and the compromises they make, have terrible consequences for the people around them. It's a storry of Fairies, of scholars, of war against Napoleon, and the legendary King of the North. Starting in 1806 and spanning almost 11 years in the lives of the characters this is an epic fantasy sage that just happens to be a historical romance and society comedy too.

When the novel starts the Britain presented is almost identical to any novel published around the time it's set. Characters could walk straight from the library at Hurtfew (Yorkshire home of Gilbert Norrell) to, say, Northanger Abbey without too much stretching of the imagination. Over the course more is revealed about the world, through discussion, character discoveries, and footnotes revealing a Britain with a quite different history to our own. I don't want to say too much more because the exploration of this England has been a great part of the pleasure for me.

It's a wonderful fantasy story with a brace of memorable characters. The titular characters are very well drawn and I recognised much of them in people I know (not the least the fact that I share many traits with Mr Norrell) and there are a parade of likeable, interesting supporting characters and a brace of walk on parts with greater depth than you would reasonably expect for someone who appears for half a dozen pages and is never named. As in the finest novel there has ever been, Emma, the characters all have shade and depth. No-one is inherently bad, and even the best and noblest can be bitter and mean spirited and act in ways that shame them.

It's written very much in the style of the 19th century comedy of manners, a pastich of the style of Austen almost, but that adds so much to the texture and experience. It also happens to contain one of the most thrilling sequences I've read in a long time - Childermass' street set confrontation with Lady Pole for those that have read it.

I'm sure there will be many who didn't like it, and I wasn't surprised to find out Clarke is a fan of Neil Gaiman, but I've enjoyed reading it immensley. Though I'm cheered that characters from this will be appearing in Clarkes upcoming short story collection and he next novel is set in the same world I am sadddened that there are only 250 pages left to read. I'd happilly read two or three as much again of this memorable novel.
 
 
Quantum
14:58 / 23.09.06
Check out the thread on it here
 
 
DavidXBrunt
17:43 / 23.09.06
Had indeed checked it out, thanks though. There were spoilers so I was avoiding it properly until the read was over but it's such a good book, and a fantasy that I thought I'd big it up here too.
 
 
Evil Scientist
07:31 / 25.09.06
Does any one remember the Ravenloft seris ?

I liked the Lord Soth (of Dragonlance fame) novel. The merry tale of a Death Knight lost in the mist. With added dwarven were-badger action.

Simon r Green - Blue Moon Rising is a good easy, relatively humorous read, as is ShadowsFall and Blood and honour. Can take or leave the rest as timepassers.

Both Blue Moon Rising and it's sequel Beyond The Blue Moon are definitely books I'd recomend taking a look at. But Rayvern, I'm shocked you didn't also mention the Hawk and Fisher books as well. I rather liked the one where they join the God Squad (branch of the city watch that has to police the reality-warped Street of Gods).
 
 
Rayvern
11:29 / 25.09.06
I don't own any of the Hawk and Fishers (quite deliberately), in the same way that I don't own the later Deathstalkers....I don't particularly rate them - especially compared to some of his other stuff....Blood and Honour, Down Among Dead Men, Mistworld, Ghostworld and Hellworld are much better than the H&Fs or later Deathstalkers.

The H&Fs do fill the blanks between Blue Moon Rising and Beyond the Blue moon - that's about all they did for me.

I remember reading a series of books by Christopher Stasheff ages ago, all about a Warlock (unleashed or something). I recall theat they were quite enjoyable to read, though I haven't picked them up in recent years.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:01 / 26.09.06
Well, Green's in a bit of a rut now anyway. Everything reads exactly the same. It's been that way since Drinking Midnight Wine really (and before as well).

Blood and Honour is probably one of his best non-H&F/Blue Moon fantasys. I didn't like Shadowfall too much, the ending was way too deus ex machina even for Green.

China Melville is good. Perdido Street Station and The Scar both excellant steam-punky adventures with lashing of magic on top. The sea battles in The Scar were very entertaining. Not so much of a fan of Iron Council, but it was okay.
 
  

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