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Stephen King's The Dark Tower (SPOILERS)

 
  

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THX-1138
21:19 / 16.06.04
but Chareth just because Steve gets aced in the accident in "that" world doesn't mean anything. I thought, and correct me if I'm sadly mistaken, death is but one of many ways to open doors to other worlds. you know..Go then, there are other worlds than these...
I don't believe the trump card at the end complicates anything, just SK messsin' with us.
But come DT7 I'll most likely be proved wrong somehow.
What a cool book.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:05 / 17.06.04
But, if you recall, he is a Beam in that world as well so from a strictly plot perspective, it's a huge move on the chessboard. We'll have to wait and see how the corallaries to our own reality pan out, although I guess in the context of the story, that might be the most important reality and our reality is just one of the many many shade realities.

Who knows. Only 96 days till we find out.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
22:22 / 17.06.04
omg. you're right. he IS a Beam in that world... i wonder if that means a Beam in Roland's world had just been broken? weren't there only 2 left?
 
 
THX-1138
00:43 / 18.06.04
maybe he is the Beamquake at the beginning?
 
 
PatrickMM
14:39 / 22.06.04
I've just got to second the sentiment, that Song of Susannah was amazing. I did the whole book in three days, and I was at the point where I would rather sit home and read the book than go out with people, that's quite a commanding book.

I lost track of some of the details, with all the parallel worlds, and events, just because it's been about year since I read the first four books, and six months since book five, but I'd rather be confused now, than have King spend excessive time writing exposition that will seem annoying when you read all the books in order.

The Stephen King chapter, and all the buildup to it, were both great. Being a big Morrison fan, I love the intergration of fiction and reality, and this is done in a different, but equally interesting way as Animal Man did. I love the idea that the story exists and King is just channeling it, as opposed to being a sort of God lording over everything.

And, it's quite ballsy to make the 9/11 attacks responsible for the destruction of Black Thirteen. I may be off here, but it seemed like specifically mentioned that building being destroyed part as an allusion to the attacks.

The books feel timeless, largely becuase of the many worlds gimmick. Like in Drawing of the Three, when he goes to the 80s for Eddie, it doesn't seem dated now, because it's just another world, another time. I have the feeling once the last book comes out, this series is going to become much more popular, and serve as King's legacy.

And, I'm glad it's just a few months for the next one. I need to see if Callahan and Jake actually die, and then the tower itself. A lot to cover, and I can't wait for it.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
16:45 / 23.06.04
Yeah, I thought the 9/11 thing was done with the necessary level of subtlety, making it unclear whether B13 was responsible or 9/11 was the only thing reality could think of to destroy it whether it was all just a coincidence.

Oh, and then there's these from Book 7.





So fucking best? Yes.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:09 / 23.06.04
those don't really seem like Michael Whelan paintings...weird...

B13 and 9/11...hard to say...i think in context that it seems to be saying that only 9/11 could destroy B13...callahan and jake discuss how safe WTC is, etc...
 
 
PatrickMM
22:17 / 26.06.04
Watchmen, that's cool. Who's that supposed to be, Callahan? Regardless, it's a completely different style from the Song of Susannah art, the first time you really see a detailed depiction of the characters.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
03:01 / 27.06.04
I do believe that's Randall Montgomery Flagg. He's quite fond of face obscuring hoods and playful buttons.
 
 
wicker woman
04:58 / 08.07.04
First, let me throw out real quick that I am hella more satisfied with the drawings in Song than what I was with the ones in Wolves. Those ones were just not how I pictured the characters at all (and more than one of them seemed as though the artist hadn't actually read the text and had just been handed really sketchy details of what was going on.) Song's, though, were beautiful, especially the one with the Rose on the building and King's portrait.

Song itself was great. I'm not so positive about that ending, though. It seems like King would have learned his lesson in terms of endings like that after The Wastelands. Grr.

I have a feeling that, while Jake will come out the other end of the Dixie Pig (with Susannah and possibly Mordred in tow), Callahan will not.
 
 
Saint Keggers
01:03 / 15.07.04
Damn, I think I want to pull an Annie Wilkes on this guy and get another 30 or so Dark Tower novels out of him.


So...how long until the movie versions start to ruin EVERYTHING!!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:59 / 19.07.04
Whoa, whoa. Turn it into an HBO series with Frankie Darabont producing and I am THERE.
 
 
Laughing
09:42 / 31.07.04
Just picked this up yesterday and read it all in one go. I love it, even though it's way too short. I'd been perfectly happy if Wolves of the Calla and Song of Susannah had been one big volume.

I've been following the Dark Tower for almost 20 years. It's by far my favorite Stephen King series and one of my favorite literary series' period. As I tell all my friends, "It's the best surreal post-apocalyptic Arthurian Western postmodern fantasy time-travelling horror series on the market. I shit you not."

I need part VII. Now. Now.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:54 / 03.08.04
Perhaps the beginning of the first chapter @ stephenking.com might help.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
14:54 / 22.08.04
was just gonna post that, birdie! haha. haven't read it yet, but i'm headed there, now.

in the meantime, another illustration has popped up. wow, check this out:

 
 
PatrickMM
19:51 / 22.09.04
So, the last book is out. I've got it, but have only read about 25 pages so far. Anyone else picked it up?

And, interestingly, I saw an interview with Richard Kelly, the director of Donnie Darko, where he says he'd like to make an HBO miniseries out of the Dark Tower, which has high awesomeness potential.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
21:51 / 22.09.04
ya, i got it, and am about 100 pages into it...nothing earth shattering so far...

richard kelly doing DT on HBO would be perfect.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:02 / 23.09.04
I realise I'm not exactly the target audience here, but I've been following this thread - or rather, not following this thread, and I'm fascinated.

So, if you guys have the time, could you tell me what this series is about? How is it different from other King books, both his horror and his Americana? It's been said on this thread that these books will be his monumnet - why's that? More venally, are they being marketed as SF or straight modern fiction?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:32 / 23.09.04
Finished it two days ago.

If you're not completely blown away by the first hundo then, well, you might not like the rest, I suppose. From the opening scene, I was just floored. The description I've been using is "The Jetson's Dinner Capsule" of novels. It's so dense with event and character and action, there is just no letting up.

Also, it's absolutely the most affecting book of his I've ever read. It's a testament to his overwhelming talents that, to me, one of the most moving sequences in the entire book involve a character only introduced in Song Of Susannah. You'll know it when you see it.

A completely fantastic, emotionally exhausting, and perfectly apt final volume.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:35 / 23.09.04
i'll take a crack at it, Haus.

Basically it's the story of one man's quest to find the Dark Tower, told as a cross between westerns, science fiction, fantasy, and horror. it takes place in a sort of future where existence is being threatened by a malevolent force working to destroy the Dark Tower, which holds all of the universe together alone "beams."

Roland is a gunslinger...Clint Eastwood, more or less. He gathers a little group together that helps him in his quest.

The series is being described as King's monument, because he's been writing it for 30 some years, and it's been incorporated into a lot of his other books. Other books that contain morsels of DT knowledge and characters: Insomnia, IT, Eyes of the Dragon, Hearts in Atlantis, The Stand, Black House, Rose Madder, Desperation, ...hmm...they even say Bag of Bones does (I liked Bag of Bones, but didn't catch and DT related stuff in that...interesting), I think there might be a few more...

Uh...that's the basic answers...I hope.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:40 / 23.09.04
Birdie,
I had the chance to sit down and read some more of it...it's pulling me in more and more...I guess I wasn't blown away by the first 100 because I had read most of that first chapter online awhile ago, and wasn't counting that in my first reaction...

I'm a die-hard DT fan, and I've noticed a dramatic shift in the storytelling of these last 3 books. It seems there is more emphasis on some of these new plot elements like Discordia and all the new Roland-language stuff...it's kind of thrown me for a bit, because for the longest time I was used to the previous 4 books somewhat vague dreamscape style of storytelling...

uh...that didn't make much sense. anyway...i'll post back more when I've finished...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:40 / 23.09.04
Haus,

It's probably the lynchpin of his work, mainly because it allows his most prominent gifts, characterization and straight up storytelling to flourish without contrivance (i.e., most of his books answer "What If" questions and then answer them, with very little meditation.). In these books, we follow roughly five characters, leisurely but in no way lazily through this journey to The Dark Tower. There are a few scary moments here and there, but it's mostly an epic quest type deal, but one that involves guns (always more interesting than swords) and frequent trips into our own reality (always more interesting then, I don't know, Rock Trolls?).

It's probably about a thousand other things as well, even it's own inability to be categorized (there's a great scene where Roland chides Western Society's propensity for genre character- and ghetto-ization).

But above all, it's King's most assured feat of storytelling and, if nothing else, he is among the finest yarn-spinners of our era. And, now that I've reached the end, read the whole 3500 page novel, I can tell you that, usual slight inconsistencies that are bound to crop up when you spend twenty-plus years doing one thing aside, it is definitely the best story he's ever told.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:44 / 23.09.04
The Bag Of Bones stuff is both obvious in DTVII (Cara Laughs) and subtle in Bag Of Bones (think about all the titles of his three books).

I had read the excerpt too, and totally skipped it, but was immediately stunned by its sudden (and hella triumphant) outcome.

And the entire Wave sequence that followed was so vivid and gripping. Man I just loved that entire bit. The story just literally pushing Roland and Eddie forward. Whoo! Wait'll you get to the Jungle, man. Ha ha!

Fucking awesome book.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:48 / 23.09.04
Cara Laughs!! Haha, of course...jeez, how could I forget Sara Laughs.

I can't remember the titles of his three books, though...but it makes more sense to me now...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:27 / 25.09.04
just finished it...

i wasn't mesmerized by the first 100 pages or so, but the last 500 or so were breathtaking...simply amazing...i would agree that is one of the most moving books of King's career (except parts of The Green Mile make me tear outright, I have to admit).

i was surprised by the end, if not elated. but, as king says, it was the right ending. it's about the journey and not the goal, as sure a description of storytelling as there is.

...hmm...i need more time to think about this...i'm a bit too affected right at the moment...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:48 / 25.09.04
can we discuss the end without fear of pissing anyone off?

i just read/discovered 2 interesting tidbits.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
22:32 / 25.09.04
I'm game if you are.
 
 
wicker woman
08:30 / 26.09.04
Not to impose too terribly, but could you limit discussion of the conclusion to another thread or to the specific DT VII thread? I haven't really had time to get through more than half of the book at this point (where Roland and co. are camped outside of Algul Siento), and this seems like a more appropriate thread for discussing things that come before the ending of the book than anywhere else.
 
 
THX-1138
01:44 / 28.09.04
Keith,
I surely would like to find out what your two tidbits are.

I just finished DT7 tonight. What a journey it was we all say thankya.
 
 
wicker woman
06:30 / 01.10.04
Feel free to discuss, if you still intend to. I'm almost done, and no one else seems terribly concerned at the prospect of spoilers at this point, so on with it!
 
  

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