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LykeX
07:22 / 25.07.06
She does have black hair, you know. That's way spooky.

Does anyone know how seriously these people take themselves? If I had a website claiming that I had raised unicorns, I'd have a hard time not laughing when people sent me money.
 
 
EvskiG
11:52 / 25.07.06
Of course, they really did raise unicorns. Here's a bit of info about them.

The School may be a bit cheesy, but Oberon and Morning Glory are serious old-school pagans.
 
 
Quantum
13:47 / 25.07.06
Those poor goats. "In 1984, the Zells would sign an agreement with Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Circus. They bought four of the unicorns, paying $150,000 for them as well as three years of silence from the Zells."

Anyway, books- I'm attempting Ritual Magic in England (1887 to the present day) by Frances King again, a nice 1970 hardback edition, as a part of trying to get the Golden Dawn into context in my head.
 
 
petunia
17:17 / 25.07.06
The Book of Chuang Tzu is proving to be a damn good read.

Some mind-bendingly profound normality interspersed with crazy ancient Chinese mythology makes for much fun.

And a lot of it is really funny too.

The whole thing shares a lot of the string of wisdom that gave the Lao Tzu, but expresses it in a way that is so much more human and.. fun.

Confucius-dissing never ceases to entertain.
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:56 / 26.07.06
Enochian Initiation: A Thelemite's Magical Journey into the Ultimate Transcendence Has anybody read this title? Could somebody who has give feed back on it as a text and its presentation of the enochian tradition.
 
 
l gyre
22:03 / 26.07.06
i've been working on _the sufis_, by idries shah, for a while. it's really interesting-- talks a lot about sufis and is very scholarly, but also uses the actual sufi method of teaching so it's somewhat nonlinear. and i read some rumi to go with that.

also, i had an interesting bit of synchronicity with www.paperbackswap.com (which you might want to check out if you haven't. you swap books you've read for books you haven't, and there are some surprisingly good books on their sometimes) anyway, i have a wish list about a mile long on there, so it's pretty random which books i actually end up getting, and it recently found for me both _the sirius mystery_ and _fingerprints of the gods_. these books are similar, and good dog days reading, because they're both about links between early civilizations and their mystery traditions. in the former the idea is that aliens came from sirius to establish early civilizations, in the latter it's that antarctica was atlantis before a pole shift that caused it to be covered with ice in a type of cataclysm which will probably repeat itself very soon. unfortunately, i found _fingerprints_ way more convincing, but they've both been interesting out-there reads with interesting tidbits about a variety of tangentially related subjects.
 
 
Daemon est Deus Inversus
18:14 / 27.07.06
Mrs. Attwood's "Suggestive Inquiry into Hermetic Mystery." I've been "currently reading" that for 20 years.

I'd suggest putting her Latin foot-notes through an on-line translator first (and polishing that with schooboy Latin); reading through her numerated thoughts at the end of the book (also before reading the text); then reading her as a key to the texts she references.
 
 
illmatic
06:57 / 05.08.06
I’ve just started reading The Art of Conversation with the Genius Loci by Barry Patterson. Barry is the author of Finding your Way in the Woods widely recognised as the best guide to working magic outdorrs. This book is an expansion of that previous pamphlet. Expansion doesn’t really do it justice though, as it’s not just the same text with an appendix bolted on, it’s a completely new book! And it’s fantastic, one of the best books on magic I’ve ever read. It’s really refreshing to read a book that isn’t simply a reworking or re-running through of the established tropes of a system– in fact this might be described as a systemless book, as it focus on experience and games to play while cultivating that experience rather than some abstract metamystical hooey. The first chapter gives an account of a trip to the Outer Hebrides, and what happened to him. And this is simple and refreshing to me., an account devoid of ritual trappings and techniques.

In the rest of the book we have accounts/ideas of working in the city, relationship with rocks and stones, consideration of divination, making music and so on. It’s packed with ideas and already, 50 pages in, I’ve chanced on a couple of fragments that have spun my ideas on their head. I particulary like the way he expresses his animism, in a way that straddles “rational” and “magicial”. I can’t stress how important it is that you, personally, go out and buy this book right now.

And while I’m at, why not get Hilary Mantel’s Beyond Black I’ve written about this elsewhere on Barbelith but it may be of particular interest to Templefolk. It’s about a modern day medium, Alison, and her accomplice, Collete, as they move around suburban Britain to function room to function room channelling the dead. It has shades of all the dodgy “Britains Most Haunted” and Derek Acora stuff sitting snugly alongside real horror. Lots of humour there, pisstakes of New Age trend jumping, but a lot more. Some really interesting reflections on the Dead, wandering around lost, not knowing what's going on, jumping on the first senstive they come across. Also, the characterisation is, simply put, stunning.

My other comments C & Ped, from the "Underworld" thread in books:

I've just finished Beyond Black, by Hilary Mantel. It's a phenomenal book, one of the best novels I've read for a long time. It isn't directly about Hell, but she touches on it in two ways:

Firstly, she describes those who may or may not be Hell's inhabitants. I don't want to say anymore as I don't want to spoil the plot for anyone who might read it. And secondly, she paints the life of developed suburban Britain as a kind of hell... the sprawl of motorways, Beefeaters, mortages, Sainsbury's ready meals. Not in a sneering way either, I think there's something very convincing in her descriptions.

An extract from the opening:

Travelling: the dank oily days after Christmas. The motorway, its wastes looping London: the margin's scrub grass flaring orange in the lights, and the leaves of the poisoned shrubs striped yellow-green like a cantaloupe melon. Four o'clock: light sinking over the orbital road. Teatime in Enfield, night falling on Potters Bar.

The images perhaps resonant more if you live in or around London, but it's great writing nonetheless.
 
 
Evil Scientist
13:31 / 09.08.06
Any suggestions for a book that'll provide a relatively basic introduction to magic, preferably that has some practical rituals, etc? Don't get excited, I'm not converting. I just fancied reading about the subject a little.

Also preferably something relatively easy to get hold of in the UK.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:41 / 09.08.06
That's a tricky one, as general introductions to magic tend to be a bit shit, really. You might enjoy reading "SSOTBME" by Ramsey Dukes though. It stands for "Sex secrets of the black magicians exposed"... You might find his perspectives on the subject interesting. Not much on the practical, more an extended essay on magical thinking.
 
 
Queer Pirate
13:59 / 09.08.06
Evil Scientist:
Any suggestions for a book that'll provide a relatively basic introduction to magic, preferably that has some practical rituals, etc? Don't get excited, I'm not converting. I just fancied reading about the subject a little.

Also preferably something relatively easy to get hold of in the UK.


I'm almost through Generation Hex (Jason Louv). I've also been reading Condensed Chaos (Phil Hine), which is intended to be an introduction to chaos magic, but somehow I feel that Gen Hex is more accessible for someone who's not too familiar with magic, although it's less complete (it's not intended to be a how-to primer to magic, but there's a lot of basic material there nonetheless). Honestly, if you read around in the Temple, follow links to outside ressources and google some stuff up, you'll get a good starting point. The rest is experimentation.

Not DIRECTLY about magic, but definitely dipped into it, is Hakim Bey's T.A.Z. (Temporary Autonomous Zone) that I'm also reading right now and which I find to be most excellent.
 
 
EvskiG
14:11 / 09.08.06
Here are the books I'd recommend that provide a relatively basic introduction to magic, along with practical rituals:

* The Essential Golden Dawn, by Chic and Sandra Cicero.

A good, semi-scholarly overview of the "Western Esoteric Tradition," with a section on practical ritual work.

* Modern Magick, by Donald Michael Kraig

An overview and complete course in Golden Dawn-style magic. A bit simplified, but the classic modern primer. Looks like it's not easily available through Amazon UK.

* Practical Solitary Magick, by Nancy Watson

An overview and course without the same amount of Golden Dawn dogma, and with a bit more of a pagan/psychological spin than the others.
 
 
Paolo
09:02 / 11.09.06
I am currently re-reading "The Zelator" by David Ovason. I tend to go back to this one every couple of years as I always find something new in it and the sheer information density in the book repays occasional readings. The book concerns an adept; Mark Hedsel and his life travelling around Europe during the middle to late 20th century.

The book mentions Austin Spare prominently several times in connection to his artwork and exhibitions before jumping into a discussion of the Path of the Fool, which the book describes as a path for those who set out on their own to learn the mysteries; although of course the will encounter schools, teachers and guides along the way. As this is a path very close to my heart I find many spiritual bells ringing when I read this book.

The bulk of the book however is spent with Hedsel's travels and discussions of Renaissance architecture and the hermetic symbiology blended in such buildings as Chartres and Sagrada di San Michele in Val diSusa. There is much here including astrology, alchemy, sacred architecture etc with IMO a strong emphasis of how the old pagan traditions became incorporated into the Esoteric Christian myth patterns. In many ways the feel of this book is very similar to the claustrophobic, heady and complex world of hermeticism portrayed in Polanski's "The Ninth Gate"

I think that this is a bit of a little-known classic and I find it interesting to see magic and mysticism portrayed in a way separate from the well known themes such as The Golden Dawn etc. Not to slate these of course but simply to see another model of initiation at work.

It also leaves a lot of mystery. David Ovason is presumably a pseudonym - Son of the Egg? and Mark Hedsel smacks of this too - Helsel.. Head Salt?? Possibly an consecration of some sort?

I'd be intersted to hear what other people make of the book if they have read it. If enough people are up for it i'll start a thread where we can discuss its mysteries
 
 
Unconditional Love
03:10 / 06.10.06
I am looking for good books on witchcraft, hands on practical stuff, much like the hoodoo books i already own, cat yronwoods and a few others, i am not to intrested in the philosophy behind these things at present, i am looking for the how too, like books like communing with spirits.

Books which involve a heavy materialistic base and are as much about working on the self as they are about working on others, i am not really concerned about a moral bias either, the more neutral the territory the better, not really a fan of being preached at.

I have decided for a time to try a purely functional approach to spirtuality, so divination, spell working, martial arts, chi kung etc things which engage the 4f's of the reptile brain but have some root in the cerebal cortext, and involve the communal aspects of mammals. Some of the above i am very familiar with, but i dont think i have really sat and worked a divination system for along time, i dont mean study through literature, although that is a part of the process, but actually lived with one, without just turning to it as a problem solver which tends to be my attitude at present.

I have done sigils to death, thou looking at some of the techniques to inscribe various verses from the koran of late, i can see some fantastic ideas for written magical workings. I had been using alot of magic jar workings, which have been working very well all year providing me all sorts of oppertunities for work training and moving home.

I want something thats alittle more indepth than say chaos magic with action man, but not so far involved that i have to join a cult or religion to utilise the practice, for example the same way you can practice and benefit from tai chi without being a daoist priest.

Any ideas?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:14 / 06.10.06
I kind of e-know Estara Tshirai. She's cool. (And you guys know how I normally feel about people who claim to be 'elves' and whatever.)
 
 
Unconditional Love
11:02 / 07.10.06
Whats brian bates the way of the wyrd like? picked it up from a charity shop ta other day, back blurb seems good, that and another book with a germanic flavour are going to be my first excursions back into heathenry and paganism in alongtime.
 
 
Katherine
08:11 / 26.04.07
You have probably read it by now but I found The Way of the Wryd to be a very good book both as a story but also as a good way of showing how someone from another path looks on someone else's path.

At the moment I am reading two books in tandum, the first one is Dreamflesh having finally picked up a copy a couple of weekends ago from Treadwells. It's been an interesting read so far, the embalming ritual article threw up some thoughts especially as it echoed a passage in Dark Moon of using egyptian death rituals on the living, from both examples used I think they bring about very intense changes and experiences which I now want to look into.

And the second is Dark Moon Rising although admittly I am re-reading it yet again.
 
 
electric monk
20:06 / 02.05.07
I picked up Gareth Knight's "Practical Guide to Qabalistic Symbolism" recently. I'm not far in, just finished the chapter on Daath. I was wondering what others make of this book. So far, for me, it's been up and down. I felt like I got a lot out of the chapters on the Supernals, and am looking forward to the second volume ("On the Paths and the Tarot"), but... the chapter on Chesed seems problematic in parts. There are repeated references to "the Secret Masters" (*PFFFT*) that dwell there and some rumblings of Scientology (or possibly it was "scientological processes", which I may be mistakenly conflating with Scientology as I've never encountered the term before).

I don't want to entirely dismiss the book after only a few chapters, and will be more than happy to mentally seperate wheat and chaff as I work through this book. But. How much wheat can I look forward to? How much chaff? It started out so well, and I really felt I was getting a handle on concepts that I hadn't been able to grasp before... Now I'm reaching for my Skeptic Hat. But that's me.

What did you think of it?
 
 
EvskiG
20:55 / 02.05.07
Haven't read it, though it looks interesting.

Since this topic is back on the radar, I thought I'd raise another book I read recently: Tricks of the Mind by Darren Brown. Best book I've read on magic since The Game.

Darren Brown is unknown in the U.S., but I understand that in the U.K. he's a fairly popular TV personality who combines Harry Anderson (back in his comedy/magic days), Penn & Teller, and David Blaine.

While the book challenges a lot of NLP and mystical dogma (rightly, in my opinion), it offers a fascinating collection of genuinely workable mind-hacking techniques. It also offers plenty on cold-reading, stage magic, and how to both use and see through them.

Especially worthwhile reading for magicians for his discussion of how expectations and biases influence results and the perception of those results.
 
 
ghadis
22:21 / 02.05.07
Is The Game really any good then EV G? I work in a 2nd hand bookshop and see it a lot and had it pegged, without reading it, as a crappy misoginistic book about pulling. As such i tend to chuck it in 50p bin. Reading your amazon link it seems that it may have a bit more depth than that. And as one of you recent favourite books on magic it must have a lot going for it. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the book.
 
 
EvskiG
13:50 / 03.05.07
The Game IS a crappy misogynistic book about pulling.

Essentially, it's about teaching socially retarded guys to pull by using certain methods of patter and presentation, manipulating women, and playing on their insecurities. Much of it is creepy and disturbing.

What I find fascinating is that the book really is about the deeply magical subjects of metaprogramming and social engineering. It's about teaching people to change their thoughts, behavior, and lives -- from posture and dress to attitude and lifestyle -- and exerting their will on the world around them.

Lots of really interesting practical techniques. At least as good as any NLP book you're likely to read, and probably better. And probably no more misogynistic than Crowley.
 
 
illmatic
14:35 / 03.05.07
I sort of want to read The Game but have been far, far too ashamed to buy it or order it from the library as you can imagine. Ghadis, grab it for me, and I'll give you 50p.
 
 
Olulabelle
15:00 / 03.05.07
Ev G, it's Derren Brown, just so you know.

I really want to read The Game now. Lets get a Temple copy and pass it around.
 
 
EvskiG
15:41 / 03.05.07
Oops.

I suppose he wasn't married to Samantha either.
 
 
illmatic
19:15 / 03.05.07
I really want to read The Game now. Lets get a Temple copy and pass it around.

Only if we promise to use it. On each other, at Barbemeets.
 
 
EvskiG
20:04 / 03.05.07
Whoa, did you see those two girls fighting outside?

Excuse me, I'm not talking to you.

Hey, I like your shoes. They look comfortable.

Do you believe in magic? Here, let me show you something . . .
 
 
Quantum
20:12 / 03.05.07
Hey, I like your shoes. They look comfortable.

I find a bright red T-shirt with BARBELITH printed across the chest about as effective. Chicks dig it.

If we're going to have a Temple book to pass around let's not make it that, eh.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:38 / 03.05.07
Oh go on. It will be funny.
 
 
EvskiG
20:52 / 03.05.07
Sample chapters.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:59 / 03.05.07
Ooh. It's fascinating in a 'finding myself horrifyingly gripped' sort of way.

And very male indulgent.

If there is such a thing?
 
 
HCE
14:46 / 13.05.07
If you guys had to pick a single best book on vodoun, hoodoo, or variants thereof, what would you recommend? I am looking for a gift for a friend who is interested already, so ideally it would be both a good book and not the very first book somebody interested would buy.
 
 
illmatic
17:34 / 13.05.07
I would suggest Mama Lola: A Vodun Priestess in Brooklyn by Karen McCarthy Brown. It's a brilliant book, part anthropological text, and part biography of contemporary Vodoun priestess Alourdes Marguax, a Haitian immigrant based in Brooklyn. The book began as an anthropological study but the authors involevment with the religion and friendship with her subject deepens throughout the book, eventually climaxing in her initiation in Haiti. In this sense, it's quite groundbreaking anthropology as it straddles the boundary between participation and observation. Very readable and very detailed.

The big classic in the field - but a fair bit older (40s/50s, can't recall) - is Divine Horseman by surrealist film-maker who also ended up becoming an initiate of the religion she was studying.
 
 
HCE
20:45 / 13.05.07
Was that not Maya Deren? Thanks for the rec! I will try to find it.
 
 
illmatic
21:11 / 13.05.07
Yes, it was Deren. I've put in a mod request to sort that post out but it's not gone through yet. There's a new edition of Mama Lola out so it should be easy to get.
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:36 / 13.05.07
Maya deren - The divine horsemen Movie, scroll to the bottom of the page on Ubuweb. Great site if you enjoy art.
 
  

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