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Cthulhuoid Conjurations?

 
  

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trouser the trouserian
12:31 / 26.11.03
I was knocking out a few lines on Lovecraftian magic this morning for Elsewhere's wiki project, and wondered what other 'lithers thought about the wonders or worries of working with "things with tentacles?"
 
 
Leap
12:56 / 26.11.03
Firstly, if you can find a copy of “Undead Races and the Revenge of the Colonized" by Annalee Newitz, READ IT.

I have an old battered copy that I downloaded many moons back and it is quite enlightening on the subject of squiddy and his mates
 
 
illmatic
13:39 / 26.11.03
Leap: That sounds very interesting, could you give some more details?

I have zilch experience of Lovecratian work myself, but do have the sea or bodies of water turn up in my drems fairly frequently, often with the suggestion of something horrid lurking below so I can certaily relate to the someof Lovecraft's imagery. I have had hideous beasties turn up on occasion as well, normally I've woken up with a bit shudder. however, this is nver something I've consciously pursued, probably out of a combination of fear and lack of focus. Interested to hear other people's experience.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
14:00 / 26.11.03
Leap

thanks for the tip re:Undead Races and the Revenge of the Colonized - just found it & read it - interesting stuff. The racial & colonial discourses in HPL's fiction have been long argued back and forth in Lovecraftian 'lit circles. It begs the question though - does this invalidate the project of magical explorations based on HPL's fiction?
 
 
ocko
14:04 / 26.11.03
Does anyone have a working link to this? I'm having no joy finding one.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
14:22 / 26.11.03
ocko

try here - I found it using the Waybackmachine.
 
 
Leap
14:32 / 26.11.03
Illmatic –

I have zilch experience of Lovecratian work myself, but do have the sea or bodies of water turn up in my dreams fairly frequently, often with the suggestion of something horrid lurking below so I can certainly relate to the some of Lovecraft's imagery. I have had hideous beasties turn up on occasion as well, normally I've woken up with a bit shudder. however, this is never something I've consciously pursued, probably out of a combination of fear and lack of focus. Interested to hear other people's experience.

That’s probably just a seafood allergy


Absence –

thanks for the tip re:Undead Races and the Revenge of the Colonized - just found it & read it - interesting stuff.

Where?!!!!

The racial & colonial discourses in HPL's fiction have been long argued back and forth in Lovecraftian 'lit circles. It begs the question though - does this invalidate the project of magical explorations based on HPL's fiction?

I think it helps to clarify a prevailing current (!) in Lovecraft’s work, with its demonisation of “what should be dead” (Necronomicon = Book of the Dead, so its spells are calling forth what modern society says should stay dead) and with lots of “veils” being rent. If you see the monsteryness as a value judgement, rather than as a literal depiction, based on the authors (and indeed the modern worlds) preference for hard distinctions and “progress” (time as an arrow), as opposed to integration and time as cycles/tides, you get a whole different picture……..with the Cthulhu Mythos no longer monsterous (ghouls and necromancers become nasty images put over people who did not equate history with being something bad to escape from but instead see it as something good to embrace)..
 
 
Quantum
11:15 / 27.11.03
Lovecraft painted magic as unnatural and evil, so won't that flavour carry over into any workings you do? If I summon something in an Hermetic style in a pentacle and call it an Angel, it's going to appear differently to a summoning of a Servitor- and probably not in a good way.
I love Lovecraft, but I don't want to meet the Things from his psychoses... using magic from a paradigm based on a fear of magic seems, well, dodgy.
Let me go away and read that link though.

(PS Gravitas- yay, feed the wiki of shadows!)
 
 
Leap
11:37 / 27.11.03
The keywords here are “Lovecraft painted”…………re-jigg it to see that as Lovecraft, promoting the modern world over the ancient (and he admitted that the modern world was “false” and thus “weak”). He was then simply making angels wear demon masks in order to convey his horror for people who were not technologically advanced and who paid homage to their history and drew on it (conjuring things out of the book of the “dead” – which, by modern definition is those things that have been left behind - as well as seeing time as cyclical (that is not dead which…..)).

This is opposed to the modern paradigm where society is trying to escape from its past in a drive for “progress”, where the past is inferior and where time is a line not a circle.
 
 
Leap
11:44 / 27.11.03
Besides, servitors can be summoned by sneezing (use tissue to bind it)
 
 
jiltedchild
11:59 / 27.11.03
mmmmmmm this is a bit off topic so please dont jump down my throat but i didnt feel like starting a new thread for fear of being pilloried as a fool.
what i was wondering is do you actually believe your summoning these things in reality.
I recently started doing some reading on the topic of shamanism and have been practising several of the meditations suggested-i have experienced what my reading would describe as spirit quests and even encountered what some ppl might call spirit guides but i have put this down to an eager imagination-i was meditating with the deisre of having such experiences.
surely then lovecraftian magick is just an extension of this-i love lovecraft but i have never read anything that would lead me to believe his stories were based on more than fiction.
so far shamanism has given me some great non drug related trips,and some quite scary ones but surely that is all they are???
 
 
Quantum
12:17 / 27.11.03
what i was wondering is do you actually believe your summoning these things in reality....so far shamanism has given me some great non drug related trips,and some quite scary ones but surely that is all they are? jiltedchild
Have no fear, no pillorying here. From one pov that IS all they are, I mean, they don't physically crawl from the sea into your house (that often...) but from another they are as real as your consciousness.

Think about your definition of 'real' for a moment- do you mean 'Physical'? If so, dreams aren't real, language isn't real and our minds aren't real.
Think about Cthulhu- if he has no reality why is he frightening? How can a nonexistent thing have such an effect?
Think about psychotherapy- it's all about talking about unreal things, but it has a real effect and value, is it 'real'?

Anyway, I could go on all day, but...

Leap, if we look at Lovecraft that way, we are stripping away the style and flavour of his work (brooding evil and ululating things) so what's left? It's not Lovecraft, it's fluffy bunny magic.
 
 
Leap
12:24 / 27.11.03
Jiltedchild –

[I] this is a bit off topic so please dont jump down my throat but i didnt feel like starting a new thread for fear of being pilloried as a fool [/I]

Well you damn well should have! Bl**dy thread rotters!!



[jk]

[I] what i was wondering is do you actually believe your summoning these things in reality [/I]

If you actually summon Cthulhu stuff as portrayed by old Saucy Sex-skills (erm…HP Lovecraft) himself then you generally have to believe some pretty twisted things, however if you take his descriptions as a little skewed and can see past the rhetoric, you can summon ghouls who only symbolically devour the past (you are what you eat)……

[quote] surely then lovecraftian magick is just an extension of this-i love lovecraft but i have never read anything that would lead me to believe his stories were based on more than fiction. [/quote]

Never been to the Isle of Wight then?

Don’t take it literally (monster beneath the sea) but see it more as a critique of history and an attack on pre-modern cultures (demonising them and their practices). Of course, if a giant quid starts sending protean dreams to you, cut n run
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:29 / 27.11.03
Quantum - good point. When I first started out trying to do "Lovecraftian magic" I did indeed manage to scare myself silly a couple of times - tho' I think that was more to do with me and my attitudes at the time, than Lovecraft's ideas. Using Lovecraft's themes for inspiration doesn't mean (for me at least) that one has to accept them all uncritically. So when I've worked with Cthulhu, for instance, I've started from its association with dreams & visions, and used the idea of Cthulhu brooding in sunken R'Lyeh as a magical interface for stimulating my own dreams & visions, but not taken on board Lovecraft's 'horror' theme that Cthulhu's gonna rise up and gobble me up.

jiltedchild - i love lovecraft but i have never read anything that would lead me to believe his stories were based on more than fiction.

IMO, they aren't anything but fiction - yet I feel there are themes in his work that strongly resonates with magical activity - such as the emphasis on dreams, visions, art-trance (something that Spare occassionally did), the strong connection between the cosmic and the earth -to give just a few examples. Now, as to whether or not Lovecraft's entities have any external 'reality' - an argument that often gets posited is that 'fictional' entities aren't as 'real' as entities from a 'historically/culturally-based' magical tradition. I don't agree with this stance, but I don't want to get into this at the moment.
 
 
Leap
12:30 / 27.11.03
Quantum –

[I] Leap, if we look at Lovecraft that way, we are stripping away the style and flavour of his work (brooding evil and ululating things) so what's left? It's not Lovecraft, it's fluffy bunny magic. [/I]

Not at all! It is still scarey to outsiders [evil laugh] but to insiders ghouls become someone to invite around for tea

Or has my SAN reached 0 and I am just not bothered by it all [slither…]

 
 
Leap
12:38 / 27.11.03
Absence –

[I] used the idea of Cthulhu brooding in sunken R'Lyeh as a magical interface for stimulating my own dreams & visions, but not taken on board Lovecraft's 'horror' theme that Cthulhu's gonna rise up and gobble me up [/I]

Beats Cheese I suppose!!!!

I would be VERY careful on taking HPL ‘straight’ if I were you……
…..and never do work on it after having Calamari
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:56 / 27.11.03
Leap
I would be VERY careful on taking HPL ‘straight’ if I were you...

Why? Have you had problems with doing Lovecraftian magic? Anything you'd care to share?
 
 
illmatic
12:58 / 27.11.03
so far shamanism has given me some great non drug related trips,and some quite scary ones but surely that is all they are???

'Tis indeed a good point. My current take on this is that any encounters we have are on a sliding scale between total fantasy and contact with "something", whatever it is. I've recently been re-reading Gordon Maclellan's excellent "Sacred Animals" and he states that your first encounters with spirits may start off with them being very fantastical, imaginary beings, perhaps derived from cartoons or hildhood imagery - however, if you keep it up, you may brush up against something a bit more "real", with a strong sense of being outside you and having an agenda of it's own. Nailing down what's real/what isn't is something that comes from a scientific mindset and isn't always the best option with these things which are experienced through our subjectivity (evenif this isn't their point of origin) - you're always going to be able to prove it's real/not real, depending on your underlying belief.
 
 
illmatic
13:35 / 27.11.03
Leap: The inference I get from your posts is you find it hard to "take seriously" someone working magick from a fictional source. If you want to kick start a discussion on this, got for it by all means, but please don't just take the piss, it's irritating. If you want me to post a few links of detailing compelling experiences people have had with Lovecraftian symbols, I can do so (or just ask young Quantum).

The fiction vs "real traditons" debate is interesting IMO for two reasons:
i) it behooves us to ask how much of received traditions is fictional anyway (obviously, this doesn't apply to MY system which is completely genunie and handed down, from initate to initate since the fall of Atlantis, but it's something all you pretenders might want to think about)
and ii)(very much related) It brings up questions for me about the role of fantasy and imagination as a place from which we may draw inspiration - I'm thinking specifically of writers like Arthur Machen here, and even Alan Moore and Grant's experiences while writing the Invisibles.

Thoughts?
 
 
jiltedchild
13:53 / 27.11.03
illmatic if you have any links detailing lovecraftian experiences i would be very interested to see them.
I can see that the image of the dream sea etc might be usefull for meditations but surely attempting to contact yog sothoth (i think thats the correct spelling) could only be a bad experience.
 
 
Leap
13:59 / 27.11.03
Absence –

Why? Have you had problems with doing Lovecraftian magic?

Yes.

Anything you'd care to share?

Not beyond what I have said; from which you should be able to grasp the necessaries without me giving power to a false image.

Illmatic –

The inference I get from your posts is you find it hard to "take seriously" someone working magick from a fictional source.

Not at all! Magick is Magick, regardless of source – what I have is a wariness of magic that flows from a dark and twisted source.

If you want to kick start a discussion on this, got for it by all means, but please don't just take the piss, it's irritating.

And here was me thinking humour gives a good perspective on a dark subject. Chill Illmatic, and lose the dryness or Coyote may come a calling!
 
 
Quantum
14:04 / 27.11.03
I'm writing an article on fictional vs. real magic so I'm off to start a new thread on that, please send all comments related to the real/imaginary divide there. Illmatic, please power down your telepathy until I've finished my article or I'll get accused of plagiarising you when in fact it's coincidence (again...), otherwise I'll have to devise a 'ward vs. Illmatic' which I'll probably never have use for again

I'm with jiltedchild, summoning the crawling chaos is low down on my list of things to do... Cthulhoid magic is effectively a form of demonology, which rarely turns out well.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
14:21 / 27.11.03
i>Cthulhoid magic is effectively a form of demonology, which rarely turns out well.

Well thanks for your perspective Quantum, tho' it's not one I share. Actually, all this wibbling has given me a hankering to revisit some old experiments ... I will report back from the "dark and twisted" zone as and when.
 
 
illmatic
14:41 / 27.11.03
JC: You might want to check the Cthulhu Mythos section of Phil Hine's site> You might also want to see if you can get hold of "Liber Koth" but Steve Sennit, which is very interesting, but not on line, unfortuantely. I did find this though while having a look for it, check it out. Linda Falario's Nightside Tarot, over at www.anandazone.nu also contains a lot of imagery derived from Lovecraft.

Leap: Okay mate, my apologies for going on the attack, but looking at what you posted above, there's not really any suggestion that you've worked with any of this stuff. Levity is fine, but if someone is just making snipey comments, without the benefit of experience, I think it's fair to "show them the door". I'm still be interested in hearing about your experiences, but I understand why you'd rather not post if you found them very unpleasant. I did find your comments further upthread of interest:

with the Cthulhu Mythos no longer monsterous (ghouls and necromancers become nasty images put over people who did not equate history with being something bad to escape from but instead see it as something good to embrace)..

I have had experiences of "nameless horror" in my dreams, and I do want to know what underlies this. Whether I get there is anyone's guess, but it's certainly an area I'd like to inegrate and uncover, if that's at all possible. Do you feel there's anything to embrace within or underlying Lovescraft's imagery?
 
 
Quantum
15:03 / 27.11.03
Cthulhoid magic is effectively a form of demonology, which rarely turns out well. (me)
Well thanks for your perspective Quantum, tho' it's not one I share (Absence of Gravitas)

*hasty clarification* I meant Demonology as plumbing the dark side, Da'ath style, exorcising personal demons and staring into the Abyss etc. rather than the sacrificing-virgins-on-a-bloody-altar demonology. I also hasten to add IMHO of course, I prefer austere abstract hermetic magic or hedonistic ecstatic magic rather than dark investigations into things beyond.

Backtracking some more from my kneejerk conservatism, the trappings of Lovecraftian work are similarly horrific to the trappings of demonology in a way. Are the entities concerned from a similar source but with different 'faces' or are they a seperate breed of beasty entirely? Do the workings serve a similar purpose or is Lovecraftian magic distinctly different to demonology (or some Vodoun for that matter, dealing with the dark side of life)?
 
 
trouser the trouserian
15:47 / 27.11.03
I meant Demonology as plumbing the dark side, Da'ath style, exorcising personal demons and staring into the Abyss etc.

Well, that can be an aspect of it, if that's what grabs you. Personally, if I want to do that sort of thing, I'll use a system which has more transpersonal/relational elements in it. The 'horror' angle of Lovecraft has its uses, but is quite limited IMO. I mean, nothing you're gonna encounter on the astral plane is going to be as horrible as, say, witnessing a person jumping in front of a train. The 9-11 footage of those poor souls jumping out of the WTC gave me nightmares for days.

From my experiences with the spirits of the leg o' mutton, I'd say they are indeed different to cthulhuoid entities - the former are quite a varied bunch IME - some coming across as more-or-less human, others more feral. Interesting that you mention Voudou, as I've been involved in group workings where one person has attempted to be 'ridden' by Nyarlathotep.

Lovecraftian magic doesn't 'have' to be all darkness and giblets, any more than practitioners of Thelema 'have' to make a habit of kicking women around. It really depends on what you choose to take from Lovecraft (or anyone).
 
 
Leap
16:30 / 27.11.03
Illmatic –

Okay mate, my apologies for going on the attack, but looking at what you posted above, there's not really any suggestion that you've worked with any of this stuff. Levity is fine, but if someone is just making snipey comments, without the benefit of experience, I think it's fair to "show them the door".


S’fair enough No harm done

I'm still be interested in hearing about your experiences, but I understand why you'd rather not post if you found them very unpleasant.

I fell into the trap of following Lovecrafts perspective and, quite understandably, came up against something far from nice. Would rather leave it there on specifics old chap

I did find your comments further upthread of interest:

This comes from looking at where Lovecraft was probably coming from and figuring out that he gave a twisted cover to an something he (and his ilk) frowned upon, but which, beneath the cover, is far from unhealthy (quite the opposite!!).

Oh, also gotta bear in mind that it was Derleth who invented the Mythos, not HPL, and thus everything that is included in the Mythos is NOT necessarily part of HPLs twisty-scape but actually IS horrific.

I have had experiences of "nameless horror" in my dreams, and I do want to know what underlies this. Whether I get there is anyone's guess, but it's certainly an area I'd like to inegrate and uncover, if that's at all possible. Do you feel there's anything to embrace within or underlying Lovescraft's imagery?

In and of itself, as an exploration of darkness, embracing Lovecraft’s explicit imagery is a VERY bad idea. I cannot emphasise the “VERY” enough here! Once past the imagery, and looking at what Lovecraft himself felt fear of, is a life more human; where the nastiness was little more than spin sprayed on those who would learn from and not try to escape from, history.

The nameless fear of Lovecraft’s work is, IMO, largely the fear of the modern age facing its own emptiness when faced with truth (which it proceeds to demonise and generate even more fear – baad modern age! Stupid modern age!!).
 
 
jiltedchild
17:04 / 27.11.03
cheers for the link absence of gravitas-im currently working my way through the site.
one thought that occurs to me is that often those in lovecraft that decide to try and contact the great old ones dont do so out of any sense of evil but for reasons of curiosity or artistic desire yet always end up causing more harm then good.
from the reading i've done around the topic this afternoon-which came as a welcome break from Plato's theory of knowledge-it seems that the dreams lovecraft was often inspired by he deemed horrific and in some sense psychologically dangerous.
shouldnt we take lovecrafts warning and learn to just leave some things alone?
jc
 
 
Salamander
18:13 / 27.11.03
Whatever face you put on the other thing, I can hardly see how any magician with his wits about him could cause the catastrophy that abounds in Lovecrafts stories. The characters that meet tragedy in his stories are all sensible men who are ignorant of what is going on until the final horror. But he also has a few stories about randolph carter, the dream adventurer. Try reading the silver key or the dream quest of unkown kaddath. If you still think mythos magic is a bad idea then whatever.
 
 
Leap
07:28 / 28.11.03
Hermes –

I can hardly see how any magician with his wits about him could cause the catastrophy that abounds in Lovecrafts stories. The characters that meet tragedy in his stories are all sensible men who are ignorant of what is going on until the final horror.

Why do so many “magicians” sound remarkably like heroin addicts…. “I can control it”.

The problem is that the weakness which lets down those “sensible men who are ignorant of what is going on until the final horror” is itself pervasive throughout the society they are brought up in……………with the Mythos, in my experience, you are either immune or easy prey, with very few falling in between.
 
 
Quantum
08:30 / 28.11.03
Oh! It turns out I had Phil Hine's Pseudonomicon on my pile of books to read, which as it happens is entirely about working with the Cthulhu mythos. I had no idea there was a big Chaos background to Cthulhu magick, but then I've not investigated CM directly much.

Anyone else read it? Shall I put up some apt quotes? My opinion is mutating as I read...
 
 
trouser the trouserian
08:59 / 28.11.03
Do the workings serve a similar purpose or is Lovecraftian magic distinctly different to demonology (or some Vodoun for that matter, dealing with the dark side of life)?

Quantum - I think you've raised an interesting point here regarding 'purpose' and it's relation to magical systems. Firstly, in relation to 'demonology' - by which I take it that you mean working with the collections of spirits (demons?) of the Goetia (tomes such as the Lemegeton, Picatrix, etc.) then 'purpose' is really determined by the operator. If you look at, say, the Lesser Key of Solomon, you've basically got a collection of spirits that are associated with particular tasks - from gaining a facility to foreign languages to divining the fate of kings. Other than that, there's no 'overall purpose' inherent in the practice other than ordering a spirit to go and do something on your behalf - all wrapped up in good old judeo-christian blood 'n' thunder (which provides the 'atmosphere', so to speak). Now one could argue that Goetic practice (basically evocatory) restricts the user to a limited range of 'purposes' - i.e. it's great for sorcery-type purposes but not so good for, say personal identity work.

If you look at a more 'sophisticated' magical approach - for example, Tantra, then you're looking at a 'system' which includes both a strong transpersonal approach and sorcery-type workings. Now with Tantra, one might say that it's ultimate 'purpose' is Liberation, but that term is fuzzy enough to encompass a wide range of meanings. If magical systems were work tools, then Tantra would be a swiss-army knife, whereas the Goetia would be a spoon. Does that make sense?

Moving back to 'Lovecraftian magic'. First of all, there isn't really a 'system' there - and I'm not convinced that making a magical 'system' out of Lovecraft is particularly useful in the long-term. As Leap points out (and yr thread in the 'books' section discussed) August Derleth spectacularly mangled Lovecraft's fragmentary ideas on a literary level - and attempts by occultists to 'fit' Lovecraft's entities onto the Tree of Life, or relate them to Crowley's work (as Kenneth Grant does) have a similar feel to me.

Secondly, as to the matter of 'purpose' in relation to Lovecraftian magic - again, it's pretty much up to the user. Just 'cos Lovecraft paints the Great Old Ones as 'orrible, doesn't mean that it restricts a magician to workings of a 'dark' nature. In fact I'd draw an analogy here between the GOOs and Kali here. If you look at say, early western (and, indeed, some Buddhist/Jain) depictions of Kali, you'll get a picture of her that's dark, horrible, degenerate, lustful etc. (a projection of British colonial attitudes about India, basically) - India Jones and the Temple of Doom sort of thing. Kali's much more complex than that, of course, but you wouldn't necessarily know that unless you started to either work with her magically or try and find out more about her.

To give you a very concrete and simple example of how Lovecraftian work has 'shaped' my magical work, reading The Dunwich Horror, with it's hill-noises, themes dealing with primal nature and general fortean weirdness inspired me to start looking into Earth Mysteries, go out for walks in hilly, desolate landscapes, and get into just digging the awe that one experiences standing on top of a mountain, feeling how precarious human habitation is in such places. This has also led to me re-evaluating my feelings about doing magic outdoors. A couple of weeks ago, standing on top of Thor's Cave in Derbyshire, I felt myself back in "Great Old Ones" country.

On a slightly different tack, Hermes' point about Lovecraft's 'tragic heroes' is also interpretable from a magical perspective - Lovecraft's 'heroes' often feel themselves to be 'outsiders' - standing 'apart' from the day-to-day concerns of their fellows. They browse through the Necromonicon, or have some kind of experience which draws them into a world of magic and heightened significance. This changes them - they can't go back from it - they are impelled by their realisations to act from that basis. Okay, Lovecraft has them ultimately ending up as a GOO breakfast snack, but this process can be read as an analogy for the process by which someone gets interested in magic, does stuff, is changed by the experience, and either draws back into rationalism, goes loopy in a dysfunctional way or goes loopy in the way that we 'all' know and recognise as being a 'magician' (or Illmatic's lovely acronym, PIMP).
 
 
illmatic
09:00 / 28.11.03
Leap: I don't think working with stuff like this (or any other entity, now that I come to think about it) is about controling it or bossing it around. I mentioned upthread some of my dreams about the sea. Frequently in these dreams, I'm conscious of the immense power of the waves as they crash on the shore, or the enormity of the ocean as it streches out in front of me. In these dreams, I normally feel very small and insubstantial - whatever-it-is that the sea represents has a primal, powerful and timeless quality to it - trying to "control" this, or telling it to do things to me, would just be ... laughable. I can see some of the same dynamic at work in Cthulhu Mythos magick material I've read - that sense of something greater than ourselves. I see such magick as encountering these things, rather than controlling them. Such encounters may terrify us at first (as with Lovecraft's protagonists) but I think this terror can give way to a different perspective.
 
 
Quantum
10:21 / 28.11.03
I think Hermes Nuclear has a good point, the Dreamquest series would work excellently for magic, I'd be much more likely to try something involving Kadath than Yog-Sothoth.


I looked up a bit of magic from the books to see what influenced old HP-
From Lovecraft, 'The strange case of Charles Dexter Ward';

Late in the afternoon young Ward began repeating a certain formula in a singularly loud voice, at the same time burning some substance so pungent that its fumes escaped over the entire house. The formula was so plainly audible in the hall outside the locked door that Mrs. Ward could not help memorising it as she waited and listened anxiously, and later on she was able to write it down at Dr. Willett's request. It ran as follows, and experts have told Dr. Willett that its very close analogue can be found in the mystic writings of "Eliphas Levi", that cryptic soul who crept through a crack in the forbidden door and glimpsed the frightful vistas of the void beyond:

'Per Adonai Eloim, Adonai Jehova,
Adonai Sabaoth, Metraton On Agla Mathon,
verbum pythonicum, mysterium salamandrae,
conventus sylvorum, antra gnomorum,
daemonia Coeli God, Almonsin, Gibor, Jehosua,
Evam, Zariatnatmik, veni, veni, veni.'


Clearly he got a lot of his ideas on magic from Levi and qaballism, with a smattering of Golden Dawn style eclecticism.


check this out from Hine's intro to the 'Pseudonomicon';
"It is generally agreed by experienced magicians that working with the Cthulhu Mythos current is dangerous due to the high risk of obsession, personality disintegration or infestation by parasitic shells."

and this warning from an evil magician Jebediah Orne (from Dexter Ward again);

As I told you longe ago, do not calle up That which you can not put downe; either from dead Saltes or out of ye Spheres beyond. Have ye Wordes for laying at all times readie, and stopp not to be sure when there is any Doubte of Whom you have.
'nuff said
 
 
trouser the trouserian
11:14 / 28.11.03
...do not calle up That which you can not put downe...
Where's the 'fun' in that?
Seriously tho', surely magic involves at some point, an element of risk? If you followed that advice to the letter, then you'd never do any kind of invocation, work with spirit entities or owt involving contacts with "otherness", if only 'cos the first time you do anything like that, there's always going to be some uncertainty about what's going to happen. And sometimes, yes, you can have a 'bad' experience with doing stuff, but any kind of magic can give you that. Look at the old Jewish folk tales about Rabbis going bonkers from studying the qabbalah 'before they were ready'.

...the high risk of obsession, personality disintegration or infestation by parasitic shells."

all just part of the rollercoaster ride we're on. Nothing to fret about.
 
  

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