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cusm
18:41 / 30.11.03
Actually, I might revise that as 'shamanic heroin'. Many people described it as the deepest parts of acid and opium combined. The bliss state it gives is amazing, enough to be pursued on its own. From people I've shared it with, I'm seeing a suprisingly high recreational value from it. I did not expect that. Though perhaps that is in part due to the folks I'm with, who aren't the type to flip out on this sort of thing but embrace it. Still, I asked one person who had experience with large doses of heroin how they'd compare it, and they said there were some similarities, but they got more out of the psychedelic side of it. Other folks went into the bliss, and that's all they wanted, and wanted to go back once they'd come down. My second run with it was at a lower dose, which was more bliss and less loss of control. Though I was also very tired. Meditation was regardless wonderful.

I'm a bit torn on the tool use of it. While it blasts you into a space where you can do anything visionary you point your brain at, the comedown tears you out of it too hard to keep much of the work done. I think for work uses, it would have to be ingested with an MAOI to benefit well from it. Even meditation comes out a bit rough, with a feeling of being torn away from the state.
 
 
cusm
20:18 / 12.01.04
More data on 5-meo-DMT, as promised.

So with some experimentation, its fairly easy to eye up a safe sprinkle to smoke right out of a bowl. Just take short hits to be cautious. Too much means curled up on a ball for about half an hour waiting for your brain to return.

Most folks seemed to take to it very well. If you are able to throw up your hands and accept the experience, its very easy to ride. The predominant feeling is of everything being "righted", like your energy body is aligned. One fellow good with meditation said how similar it is to deep states of trance. It consistently floors everyone who has had it, save one mutant who seems completely immune to the stuff for some reason. Aah well, there's always one.

Coil is fucking spot on with Time Machines, by the way. Brilliant stuff.

I relized after listening to time machines on the stuff that it is the experience of the Pillar of Mercy. Its ego dissolution, peace, transcendent bliss, but you have to surrender yourself to it. You really don't have much of an option otherwise. That means the enlightenment it offers is not that of Kether, but that of Chockmah. The experience speaks much of Chesed, but with deeper doses you move beyond the understanding of language into pure appreciation of being, which is Chockmah. By comparason, N,N,DMT would then be the pillar of severity what with the language=reality intellectualized machine gnome side of it, and Salvia fits as the High Priestess being the bitchy giver of enlightenemt you won't necessarily be able to handle that might just break you that she is.

From these correlations, ayahuasca must be a most complete experience, being of both the pillar of severity (N,N) and mercy (5-meo), combined with an maoi to extend and other bits that likely speak more of the middle pillar. Those wacky indians know what they're doing, no doubt.

Some folks react to the stuff by immediately wanting to light it up again. Its really easy to just sit around for hours doing the stuff. The replay value of it terrific. You can definitely seriously binge on it, and still be just fine. Shamanic Crack is indeed the word of the day for it. The abuse potential is possibly worrysome, save that rather than becomming addicted, one does eventually just get tired of it and stop, having had enough. So, I guess it rights itself. Truely miraculous stuff.

Oh, and in combination with mushrooms, my God. Normally, you come down from a hit pretty quickly, and are baseline before very long again. With the shrooms, I came down to a plateu, didn't actually go back all the way. It just turned my shroom trip into a DMT trip, and I buzzed in happy kundalini harmony for hours on end, just perfect. Every time someone else would take a hit, I'd peak out again in sympathy. Oh yes. That's the way to ride.

Interestingly, after the last binge (new years eve), I kept smelling the stuff in the air, like it was clinging to me. Just the barest hint of lavander flowers every now and then reminding me of it. Since the shroom ride, I've had no desire whatsoever for any more of it, but I've noted the clinging reminder for a time afterwards. Strange, as I get that sort of thing sometimes when I snort drugs, but I didn't snort any of this.
 
 
LVX23
22:56 / 12.01.04
cusm wrote:
Interestingly, after the last binge (new years eve), I kept smelling the stuff in the air, like it was clinging to me.

Yeah, every now and then I catch a whiff of it on the air someplace and I instantly feel my whole reality shiver, like a ripple through the air that tickles my spine and perks up every neuron in my skull.

I've not tried 5-meo, but ayahuasca is completely beyond rational explanation. It's one of those powerful experiences that's so convincing it makes ordinary life seem like a dream. It changed me forever.
 
 
illmatic
07:21 / 13.01.04
I can relate to that last comment. For a while after smoking it, just the thought of it would bring back the smell which would send a little shiver up my spine. I recall the smell as kind of "plasticy" but not in an unpleasent way. It was synthetic DMT I smoked, I think.
 
 
grant
16:11 / 13.01.04
OK, here's a lazy question. Y'all have (however you did it) gotten ahold of smokable, crystalline DMT.
Does that stuff have any adverse reactions to prescription meds or foodstuffs? I know ayahuasca does mainly because of the MAOis involved in the process -- but I don't know if it's *solely* because of them, or if DMT has the capacity to do wacky stuff to your system. I know MDMA and other amphetamines can....
 
 
diz
17:03 / 13.01.04
I've not tried 5-meo, but ayahuasca is completely beyond rational explanation. It's one of those powerful experiences that's so convincing it makes ordinary life seem like a dream. It changed me forever.

i'm with you on that. i've never smoked DMT, but my girlfriend and i made an ayahuasca brew last year and it completely blew my mind. after the puking and the shitting passed, i remember experiencing reality as ((an infinite spiralling fractal sequence of purple code/a mote of dust flaking off God's camera lens/endless chain of dancing elephants whispering me the secrets of the universe and flying in a fucking UFO to the outermost reaches of spacetime)). apparently, i spent several hours melting into the couch with a blanket on my head mumbling incoherently.

it gave me great perspective and peace of mind. the elephants told me everything was already OK, it's always been OK, etc. i told them they were just a figment of my imagination, but they said that of course they were, because i was everything and nothing and everything and nothing was me and showed me how it all worked. it sounds like total hippie bullshit, but that's how it happened.
 
 
diz
17:07 / 13.01.04
Does that stuff have any adverse reactions to prescription meds or foodstuffs? I know ayahuasca does mainly because of the MAOis involved in the process -- but I don't know if it's *solely* because of them, or if DMT has the capacity to do wacky stuff to your system. I know MDMA and other amphetamines can...

from what i understand, the adverse food reactions are the result of the MAOI and don't apply to smokable DMT. however, i'm not 100% on that. my girlfriend (Barbelith user ID=pop) understands all the biochemistry much better than i do.
 
 
cusm
20:26 / 13.01.04
Short form: Tyramine is an amino acid present in most foods. Its bad for you. MAO blocks it. MAOIs block (I is for "Inhibit") MAO. So, if you take MAOIs to enhance the effects of drugs like DMT, you have to watch what you eat, or you can get Tyramine poisoning.

Foods to avoid with MAOIs
 
 
LVX23
20:41 / 13.01.04
Correct, the MAOI's are the things to look out for. Smoking DMT will not have these adverse effects (i.e. hypertension). Monoamine oxidase is necessary for the metabolism of many things, notably certain neurotransmitters like serotonin, dopamine, & norepinephrine. When MAO is inhibited, garbage can build up. This isn't so bad by itself, if you're fasting. But you can run into trouble if you ingest foods containing Tyramine (cheese, red wine, anything aged). With MAO inhibited, the Tyramine does not get metabolised. Basically, more Tyramine equals more norepinephrine, and more norepinephrine equals a hypertensive crisis (think "fight or flight" - higher heart rate and blood pressure). The results can be a severe headache or even death.

This is also why you don't mix MAOI's with amphetamines or amphetamine derivatives like MDMA. You're adding hypertension on top of a drug that is already amping your system. Bad idea.

If you're going to use MAOI's, I suggest following these tips:
1. Fast for the whole day. Only break the fast on water, juice, breads, & nuts.
2. Do not mix MAOI's with amphetamines or analogues like MDMA
3. They work best when mixed with tryptamines (DMT, Psilocybin) or indoles (LSD & it's analogues).

(From Erowid)

And if you ever have any question about drugs, go to Erowid or Lycaeum.
 
  

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