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PatrickMM
04:35 / 06.11.03
I'm thinking about doing DMT for the first time, so I wanted to know if anyone has any experiences with it to share? I haven't really done many drugs before this, so is there any advice you'd have about how to prepare, and whether the effects really do live up to the reputation?
 
 
illmatic
07:36 / 06.11.03
They do. It's fucking outrageous. I've only done it once but I found it hard to believe my brain could get into those spaces. It doesn't last long though. I would say take Leary's thing on board: set and setting.

Setting: with people you trust, preferably someone whose taking it before. (I don't think this holds to the same degree as with acid, it's over so quickly, the "friends" thing isn't as important) but make sure you're in a safe comfy space where you'll have time to ground and digest the experience afterward.

Set: Be aware of your own thoughts and feelings about the substance, as you approach it. You're probably be a bit apprehensive about it etc, as well as enthusiastic, so just acknowledge this and anything else. Being well informed about the subject is going to help, reading up on it etc to alleviate any anxiety you might have. (I'm surprised there's not a thread here already - I defintely wrote an account of my experience somewhere). Enjoy yourself.
 
 
+#'s, - names
07:38 / 06.11.03
The big question I always wonder is, where the hell does any one cop some DMT in the year 2003? Or in 1993 when I was most interested in it. Some things just pass you by I guess.
 
 
cusm
12:24 / 06.11.03
As far as I can tell, by ordering tree bark on line and distilling the stuff yourself. I've had naught luck in finding any premade. But like any powerful psychedelic, it is a spirit of its own, and will either come to you when it wants you, or you'll get off your ass and go get it yourself.

BTW, there are old threads on it. Next chance I get I'll see about digging them up and linking them from the FAQ.
 
 
macrophage
12:44 / 06.11.03
Gurt quantum butterfly and furniture full of the life essence that's what I say, I say, I say, I say........
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
17:17 / 06.11.03
Well, I've never touched the stuff, but according to some sources it can be be described as: "Like acid, except so compressed it's like being shot out of a canon for forty-five minutes."
 
 
LVX23
18:35 / 06.11.03
Approach it with respect, and with an open mind. Try to limit your expectations but, like Illmatic said, don't try to force yourself to think a certain way about it. Just open up and enjoy the ride. However, if you are prone to freakouts while high or otherwise, you should probably avoid DMT. If you feel adventurous, like new experiences, and have a fairly grounded personality, go for it. But as with all psychedelics, be prepared to have your ego shattered.

The taste is foul, like burning plastic. Take a big puff, hold it, then another. Then lay down and close your eyes. Your entire body may begin to vibrate intensely and you might suspect you've died. This is natural. Let it wash over you. Note taht you're still breathing. One of the most uncanny things about the experience to my mind is that, while my inner space was travelling a million miles away, I could still hear everything around me and knew exactly what was going on, like being in two very different places at once. The real world remained very coherent, like it was right next door but on the other side of the planet. Oh, and don't be freaked out if you have the sensation that there are other, um, entities, perring at you through the fuzz of hyperspace. This is also natural. They mean you no harm.

The full effect really only lasts about fifteen minutes with the peak spanning about 5. Of course it will feel much longer but after a half hour you'll be pretty much at baseline and absolutely aglow with the experience.
 
 
Baz Auckland
19:05 / 06.11.03
The closest thread I could find is the 'Drugs as Tools' thread, which mentions DMT a few times....

...oh, and of course the Machine Elves thread...
 
 
PatrickMM
20:36 / 06.11.03
Thanks for the advice, sounds like it should be a pretty wild ride. And, I'll be doing it on the night of a lunar eclipse, which is always good to add some cosmic synchronicity to things.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:43 / 06.11.03
Enjoy . . .

good luck...

AND

REMEMBER TO SMILE!!!













really...
 
 
h3r
22:34 / 06.11.03
I have had my best experiences in nature, despite the fact that during the "5-minute-peak" you will probably not be aware of your physical body and environment in any way. set and setting has been mentioned before, their importance shall be underlined once more...

Advance reading of random selections of the tibetan book of the dead can be helpful.

I find it very helpful to eat heathy and little in preparation.
Yoga earlier will prep you real good. Not poweryoga, but something more slow.
Early in the day seems better to me than late at night, because body and mind are more rested.

the most important thing in my mind is that you are in a safe place and allow yourself the rest of the day to digest the experience. having other things on the agenda would not be smart and probably diminish the whole deal.

I liked the Rick Strassman book a lot, it prepares one well. And some scientific information can ease the mind, I believe it's good to know what to expect.

Lots of online research available. I suggest research into the pineal gland, astral travel, hyperspace tunnels, coz that's what you are about to get yourself into....

Treat it with respect. Happy hunting.
 
 
cusm
14:36 / 07.11.03
And supposedly, this Saturday night is a big Harmonic Convergence of opening transdimentional doors to enlightened newagery. Sounds like a perfect time to enter Hyperspace to me
 
 
h3r
22:18 / 07.11.03
yeah considering all this new age mumbo-jumbo I am considering to dig into my stash as well
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
00:03 / 08.11.03
I smoked DMT for the first time last weekend in Yorkshire (well, not strictly true, but the first time I did enough to get the full freak). My advice is: just do it already, it's scary wonderful majesty and you'll be relieved and amazed you did. You will EXPERIENCE things. Lordy. And you can always do what I did, which is cram yourself full of hash, 2-CB and two fistfuls of mushrooms afterward while dancing all night with witches to prolong the effect several hours and meet the Aztec Porno Death Gods.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
00:05 / 08.11.03
But yeah, get relaxed and do some martial arts or yoga before hand, remember to breath, it helps. Qi Gong is the preferred choice of many a friend of mine.
 
 
h3r
23:19 / 13.11.03
so patrick, how did it go?
do enlighten us!
 
 
PatrickMM
05:11 / 16.11.03
I ended up doing the DMT in a liquid form, which is something I hadn't heard about on here, or elsewhere, so I'm not sure if it's similar to the archetypal smoking DMT experience. However, it was still pretty intense, and was a good experience.

The taste of the liquid was rather nasty, but once I got into the experience, it was pretty much all good. To me, it felt like just a really amplified version of trance meditation. Like, instead of having to exert a lot of mental effort to numb my body, and conscious mind, it allowed me to just slip into that state. And, gradually, I separated my conscious mind from my body, and while this was going on, saw all kinds of colors and patterns when I closed my eyes. It reminded me a lot of the early parts of the peyote sequence in Animal Man. I felt like I was operating at another mental level, making all sorts of associations I never would have made before, but also forgetting the trail that led to those associations rapidly.

It went on for a long time, about three and a half hours total, and by about the 2.5 hour mark, I was sort of getting tired of it, and just wanted to go to sleep, but gradually it wore off, and I was basically back to normal.

It was a really intense experience, and I definitely became more aware of the way the body works, independently of the mind. Like, I had to take about a five minute walk back home, while still under the influence of it, and when I was doing it, it felt like I was navigating from my memories of the places I was passing, not the places themselves. And time felt sort of messed up, like things were taking forever to happen, but were also passing incredibly quickly.

Doing it in the liquid form had its downsides, namely throwing up, but it was worth doing, though not something I'd make a habit of. If you're not prepared for it, it could go really wrong, but I felt up to it, and came out ok. I'd still want to try smoking it at some point down the line, since I never felt the sensation of completely leaving this reality, and going into the DMT dimension.
 
 
cusm
17:09 / 17.11.03
Interesting. Are you sure it was DMT? I've had similar effects from other tryptamines such as 5-meo-dipt. If its in liquid form, that's usually because its mixed with an maoi to prolong the effects. The full effects should be way out of your control, not an enhancement like you describe.
 
 
LVX23
20:22 / 17.11.03
Yeah, sounds like 5-MEO-DMT to me. And propbably a somewhat low dosage. A friend of mine took some a while back and said his entire bedroom was covered in cats for about an hour and a half. Ingesting DMT (or any variant) will generally prolong and expand the effect. I had an ayahuasca preparation that was an incredibly powerful experience and lasted a good 10 hours. Days later I was still completely altered.

Ingesting DMT is quite interesting. As noted, it usually requires an MAO inhibitor which lends its own color to the experience. The two together are beautifully synergistic, allowing the tripper to walk in to the space and explore it for some time, as opposed to the cannon-blast-nitrous-trip of smoking the stuff.

Check out Jonathan Ott's Ayahuasca Analogues (if you can find a copy) for many ways to make resin preparations from some fairly common plants. The Acacia's are an abundant source of tryptamines.
 
 
h3r
20:56 / 17.11.03
no its definitely neither the "normal" DMT or 5MeODMT, both of which have the characteristic 5 minute trip..I have done 5MeO often and in high doeages, and I have never seen any cats and always was down at baseline within 20 mins or so....
but does sound similar to ayahuasca...since its liquid...
where did you get it from?( no need to endanger anybodys anonymity) I just mean, a good friend? a dope dealer? online?
 
 
cusm
21:21 / 17.11.03
I was talking about 5-meo-dipt, not 5-meo-dmt. There are a lot of synthetic tryptomines about like that, all with varying effects of similar magnitude, many of which come in liquid form and all of which taste like ass (if the ass in question was made of burnt plastic). Most are as harmless as these sorts of drugs get, but some like 2C-T-7 can be pretty intense. Point being, it could have been any number of things, but probably wasn't DMT, though it sounds like it may be worth getting again
 
 
LVX23
21:24 / 17.11.03
Well, it may have been 5-meo-dmt orally with a MAOI, or it could have been 5-meo-dipt. The cats, that is.
 
 
cusm
13:38 / 18.11.03
I meant more PatrickMM's experience, as what he got could have been any mild tryptomine, including a low dose of acid. The cats on the other hand were probably from something more in the class of 2C-T-7, 2-CB, or similar derivitaves (there's a whole mess of them). I thought 5-MEO-DMT caused more the shamanic traumatic death and rebirth trip, but at lower doses who knows...

Lesson: unless you cooked the stuff yourself from tree bark or know the guy who did, you can't easily know what it is. If you bought it on the street, its probably not DMT at all but one of any number of synths floating about. If you didn't enter hyperspace and crap your pants while experiencing reality as a matrix of living language, its probably not the real thing.
 
 
h3r
18:38 / 18.11.03
I thought 5-MEO-DMT caused more the shamanic traumatic death and rebirth trip, but at lower doses who knows...

yes classic rebirth scenario, everytime.
I have done extensive 5MeO dosage testing (smoking) with several people, lower doses just induce mild trippy states for a moment before you already feel normal again, or nothing at all with some people...
at about 3-5 mg smoked the threshold is usually reached when you leave this reality completely.

there barely have been eny experiences in between "hyperspace entry"and "no effect". almost all test subjects either felt nothing or left completely.
 
 
grant
20:21 / 18.11.03
tell more about "cook stuff from tree bark".
 
 
LVX23
23:08 / 18.11.03
Grant, here are a couple of links from Erowid:

Extract1
Extract2

The second one is more involved but if you scroll to the bottom, you'll find some notes that are a bit more down to earth. There is supposedly a really simple extraction using lemon juice, but I haven't been able to track it down. I'll post if I can. Again, I recommend Jonathan Ott's Ayahuasca Analogues and Pharmacotheon for more info.
 
 
PatrickMM
04:04 / 19.11.03
I'm pretty sure it was some version of DMT. We did take an MAO inhibitor first, and I know the guy who had it made a lot of references to ayacusha.

Lesson: unless you cooked the stuff yourself from tree bark or know the guy who did, you can't easily know what it is. If you bought it on the street, its probably not DMT at all but one of any number of synths floating about. If you didn't enter hyperspace and crap your pants while experiencing reality as a matrix of living language, its probably not the real thing.

I did cook it myself from the tree back, but I didn't enter the hyperspace, so I'm not sure what it was exactly, maybe just a really mild dose of DMT. Any idea how I would be able to tell what exactly it is?

The other reason I didn't get too far might be the environment. One of the people I was taking it with kept talking to himself, or some entity he saw with the DMT, so whenever I got deep into the trance, I got taken out by that. I'd like to do it again in a better environment, since it sounds like I didn't get the full DMT experience.
 
 
cusm
15:00 / 19.11.03
Checking some more on this, it sounds like about half the recommended dose + an maoi will give about what you saw. So, it may well have been authentic. I recommend more experimentation
 
 
h3r
16:42 / 19.11.03
I did cook it myself from the tree bark

so you did cook it up yourself? the whole 6 week chemical experiment?
or are there new techniques nobody told me about?

so did you make tea out of it basically?

i got the typical brown powder from my cooking experiments.

btw, 5MeO DMT is available in freebase form over the counter. hope i'm not starting a new psychadelic revolution here
 
 
Mister Snee
17:19 / 19.11.03
I like to think the psychedelic revolution is already in progress.

Oh, and that -I- started it.
 
 
cusm
17:21 / 19.11.03
btw, 5MeO DMT is available in freebase form over the counter.

Eh? Tell me more, you tease!
 
 
PatrickMM
20:12 / 19.11.03
so you did cook it up yourself? the whole 6 week chemical experiment?
or are there new techniques nobody told me about?

What we did was mash up the bark, so that we got as much powder out of it as possible, then put all the bark and dust into boiling water, and boiled it for a while. Then, we strained it, and were left with a purplish liquid. It definitely wasn't six weeks, more like three hours or so.

so did you make tea out of it basically?

Exactly.
 
 
LVX23
22:22 / 19.11.03
Hmmm, do you remember what the bark was, or at least what it looked like? And what sort of MAOI did you take? I would try doing an alcohol extraction instead of water. You will get much more product. You can use a high proof vodka and evaporate the liquid afterwards. It sunds like you just didn't take enough.

Here's a handy thread from an excellent forum. Some good info on extractions. And another from Lycaeum.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:46 / 22.11.03
Hmmm, do you remember what the bark was, or at least what it looked like? And what sort of MAOI did you take? I would try doing an alcohol extraction instead of water. You will get much more product. You can use a high proof vodka and evaporate the liquid afterwards. It sunds like you just didn't take enough.

The bark was brown, with some purplish highlights. The dust we got out of it was pink. I'm not sure the exact name of it. I'm not sure what the MAOI was either, I didn't make it.

Yeah, I'm thinking we didn't take enough too. It wasn't that much to begin with, and was split between four people.

Have other people here taken it in liquid form and gotten results? Smoking it seems to be much easier, but it's pretty tough to get smokeable DMT.
 
 
cusm
15:26 / 29.11.03
Ok, so I got to smoke some 5-meo-DMT last night, in the 5-10mg range. I've heard it has a plasticy taste, but it really tastes more like motes of light hitting your brain at hyperdimentional speeds that...

*stares off in glassy-eyed silence for about 5 minutes*

Whoh.

It basicly drops you into a space like as deep as LSD can take you at max doses, plus a bit further, in about 15 seconds. You run right on by "too much" and keep going. The rush of come up is intense beyond description, especially as it is associated with a deep transcendental bliss that by itself was deeper than any I had expected or was even comfortable with. But being an experienced psychonaut, I found I was able to ride it pretty well, even steer it considerably more than I thought I might. Well, after the 10 minutes of unimaginable "surely I have just died" bliss subsides a bit, which you just have to hold on for. There's no fighting it unless you like your mind being torn apart from sheer terror. There's a good hour or two of all the best things I like about psychedelics. Telepathy among others smoking with you, increased energy sensitivity, clairity, expansion, and mad visions. It tends towards void meditation, switching your brain off in the way that transcendental bliss can work. Kundalini vibrated from head to toe, and Reiki channeling was child's play. One friend with me was like "dude, you just lit up like a fucking christmass tree" and tripped out again like he'd taken another dose when I did some channeling with it while sitting quietly to myself. Aah, Reiki. Such fun stuff sometimes. So, Energy work: check. I was also able to make contact with spiritual entities personal to me, even explore some past life stuff a bit. I felt as though if used in a ritual setting it could be a powerful tool for change work, if used to engineer a spiritual communion with the divinity of your choosing. I was in a space where I felt I could go wherever I needed to go. "If there was something I was looking for out here, I'm sure I would be able to find it." Very workable as an ally, I thought. The possibilities there are exciting and to be explored further.

It was also described as "shamanic crack". Its the sort of thing where if you are able to deal with that level of experience, its fucking amazing and you're ready to do it again as soon as you catch your breath. Though it does race your heart a bit more than comfortable for some present on the come up. Fortunately, it doesn't re-up well, so you have to let it come down before you can dive deep into it again. Still, it was like a dip into a cool pool of water. Shocking, refreshing, clensing, and healing.

As for delivery, it was after an evening of tripping on a variety of mushroom truffles a friend of mine grew the Aztecs called "The Body of God" (wonderful fun stuff), smoked in a bowl on some premium green. I think this atmosphere really helped make the experience easier to handle, since we were already blissed and comfortable enough to not panic on it.

So, I give it a big fucking thumbs-up.
 
  

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