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Do Thread Titles Need Spoiler Warnings?

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
15:51 / 05.11.03
I think that people should have the sense to put spoiler warnings before their posts rather than on the title of the thread itself. Is it too much to assume that a thread named after a film will have discussion of its plot points? For example, we have (SPOILERS) in the title of the Matrix Revolutions thread, but we don't write SPOILERS in the title of other films. Is this a precaution being taken to help out the film's more... special ... fans, or should we do this for more films and books?
 
 
Not Here Still
18:27 / 05.11.03
Well, I think some form of warning is certainly polite, even if sometimes it is fairly evident that there will be discussion of plot points. Sometimes, I have read a thread and the conversation is just a discussion of a film pre-release, and then BLAM, someone goes and says 'he doesn't limp at all and it's him all along'* but far, far worse, and this can be a mite annoying. Same for books, plays, even TV shows sometimes...

I would say that in the thread itself is fine, but sometimes if a post does not do this, it is better to place the line in a thread title.

And stop having a dig at fans of the Matrix. You're just annoyed because everyone flocked to the other thread...


(*I chose that because it shouldn't give the game away, apologies if it does to anyone)
 
 
sleazenation
21:02 / 05.11.03
Personally i couldn't care less about spoliers -but i think as long as a lot of people do care about such things (whether they're 'special' or not) then its probably a good idea to have the word SPOILERS in the title in big letters so no one can say they were not warned.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:39 / 05.11.03
I think it matters more when you're talking about a TV show which is shown in America way before it's shown in Britain. Some shows I enjoy the plot to the extent that I really don't want to be spoiled (6FU is the main one) and warnings in the thread title help. I'm not so bothered about films... the idea of avoiding Matrix spoilers is laughable.
 
 
Baz Auckland
22:45 / 05.11.03
The title is a good place as people don't always put them in their post. There was a thread last year on The Prisoner where someone without spoiler warnings gave up the ending. Bastard.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
01:16 / 06.11.03
Problem is that not everyone includes or remembers to include spoiler warnings in their posts. If it's in the thread title it's covered.

I know what you're saying, Flux, but things like Matrix - I'm talking about the original here, for want of a better example - or, I dunno, Usual Suspects are special cases because the whole film is built around the Shock! Surprise! elements. When it comes to ongoing series people have emotional attachments to them and don't want to have the story relayed second-hand. Discussions of other films/TV programs/books/comics/whatever don't have the same problems - there wouldn't be any reason to have a spoiler warning in a Peanuts thread title, for example.
 
 
Jack Fear
02:34 / 06.11.03
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Spatula Clarke
10:12 / 06.11.03
Bastard!
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:12 / 07.11.03
I think it's a good idea to put a spoiler in the abstract at least, since some people like to disuss things before they come out.

BTW, Han Solo turned out the be Luke Skywalker's brother. At least that's what I told people when I was coming out of Return of the Jedi.
 
 
Tom Coates
08:16 / 07.11.03
I hate spoiler warnings. I think they're really ugly and dorky. I appreciate people feel the need for them, but I really think that there's no reason to have them in the posts at all... Couldn't we just have spoiler and non-spoiler versions of threads?!
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:28 / 07.11.03
Maybe all we need is one spoiler warning per thread... after one person has written a S P O I L E R, everything beyond in the thread can be assumed to have them....
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
17:21 / 07.11.03
I think that the replies already show that, as we already now, there are different comfort levels on this board. I think we should be wary of an excess of uniformity lest we stop thinking. I understand the sensitive nature of this subject matter and how it can affect people, but should we be asking people to edit themselves?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
20:32 / 07.11.03
Well Tom might think they're dorky but then he did spoil the end of series 5 of Buffy for me, the bastard... I think it's a consideration of other people's feelings issue, possibly not so quite a concern as on newsgroups, but as we've had the possibility of a thread for speculation about something to come, and then a seperate thread for when people have seen it. But if not in the title then at least include it somewhere prominently in the abstract.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
22:11 / 07.11.03
Couldn't we just have spoiler and non-spoiler versions of threads?

We do, sort of. Buffy threads have traditionally been split into US and UK versions to prevent spoilage.
 
 
Tom Coates
07:25 / 06.04.04
Certainly I have no problem with us mentioning spoilers in the summary/abstract - but I'd rather they were kept out of the title of the thread. W/R/T television threads can I ask us to distinguish between US and UK-friendly versions of that show in their thread titles - that deals with the people who download shows via BitTorrent and torrentz.com as they can see the U.S. one, but it doesn't make it very clear where the distinction is between satellite / cable and terrestrial operations. Do we need a terrestrial thread for these things or can we assume that the vast majority have seen them? Also can we assume that the conventions of appropriate conversation that doesn't need spoiler warnings are all-those-things-which-an-average-person-might-have-seen-before-broadcast - ie. you can't get spoiler by an entry in TVGuide or the RadioTimes but you can by someone going to Whedonesque?
 
 
Cat Chant
08:47 / 06.04.04
This might be a stupid question, but what is the point of leaving spoiler space? The reader has to scroll past the space (and the spoiler) to read the next post, and the spoiler will probably be visible anyway to someone reading the beginning of the next post.

I haven't actually seen this done much on this board, but am I missing something, or is it really spectacularly pointless? (Spoiler warnings are a different issue, obviously.)
 
 
Tom Coates
11:37 / 06.04.04
I also don't much like spoiler space, and I'd be interested to hear why people think it's useful.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:06 / 07.04.04
Way-ull - what we *could* do is have some sort of spoiler tag, in which spoiler discussion is put into the background colour, now that we can change text colour. Easier, obviously, if the background colour is white. Then you have to select it to read it...
 
 
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16:14 / 17.04.04
Instead of having SPOILER, or

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....you know what i mean, the person posting could just say at the beginning of the post : Ok this post has spoilers in it.

Then you wouldn't have to see the other two versions. This could be put in the FAQ too, but i think you'll always get newbies joining and doing it from time to time, you'd just have to direct them to the FAQ and then edit the post/post title.

Spoilers are the reason i don't really visit the comics forum, and lack of money to buy the comics so that i can get past the spoiler problem, of course.
 
 
Hieronymus
01:55 / 03.05.04
I'm wondering if there's a means of spoiler blacking-out certain text. I'm not sure what the HTML coding for that would be but I've noticed in other boards that they black-out certain spoilery text with a certain (spoiler) (/spoiler) coding which allows the individual to highlight it with their own mouse to read. Are we able to do that?
 
 
Linus Dunce
12:04 / 03.05.04
You can do that but it will not work for everyone.
 
 
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12:15 / 03.05.04
Uh-oh. Does this look as groovy and colourful to everyone-else? I hope this doesn't mean the floodgates are open for all wild and wacky that B-lith can do without
 
 
Linus Dunce
12:18 / 03.05.04
I'd hope it would be as self-regulating as other matters of style on Barbelith.

Don't even think about blink.
 
 
Hieronymus
20:01 / 01.06.05
*bump* This issue has come up again with regards to the Doctor Who threads. I still think we should have some sort of [spoiler] [/spoiler] scripting dealy wherein the spoiler text itself is blacked out and has to be highlighted with the mouse to be read. This will keep the spoilerless people happy and the spoiler-indulgent people happy as well. I've seen it done at the Superherohype boards in addition to keeping Spoiler-free and Spoiler-less threads separate. Surely it's possible here?
 
 
w1rebaby
20:33 / 01.06.05
Here's how to black something out so it's only visible if you highlight it.

<b style="font-weight: normal; color: #000; background: #000;">big spoiler text blah blah</b>

(of course there are other ways of doing it but that's one)

I don't think it's worth adding a special spoiler tag. People don't read the posting FAQ about the tags we *do* have. I swear, Barbelith is easily the least technically inclined board I've ever been on, people are still confused about links and images ffs. (I say this with a certain amount of bitterness having done big chunks of the wiki on the subject which are blithely ignored.)
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
20:38 / 01.06.05
But if we were all wizards... there'd be no manga.

Thanks for doing the laundry.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:35 / 02.06.05
Spoilers seem to mean something different in Film and TV than they do in Comics or Books. This is probably because in those most people are seeing the item at roughly the same time, in Film and TV it gets more complicated because of US/UK or in the case of Who some people are seeing episodes before others.

I don't see why any discussion of the show should refer to stuff that hasn't been broadcast yet. If I'm talking about what character a says in episode y I don't want someone popping up to say "yes you're right" or "no, you're wrong" or, as we start to get in this thread people trying to give clever hints about what's coming that really seem to be metaphorical dick-waving.

Spoiling=Trolling, discuss.

With the last series of the Sopranos we had a US thread and a UK thread. If people can't wait a few weeks to discuss episodes they got hold of, they could at least start a Spoiler thread as well.

Rant off...
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:32 / 02.06.05
"in the case of Who some people are seeing episodes before others"

But this was not the case in this instance. Neither post moved over to the new thread had any 'insider info.'
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:47 / 03.06.05
On the ever decreasing subject of this issue of spoilers.

Unfortunately I know I'm just fueling the fire and this all probably very stupid, but my goat has been gotten, I suppose.

I apologize for my short temper and if this ends up with me being in the wrong, remind me I agreed to step down and admit so. Deal?

As I've been threatened by Haus, I'm making this public for any that care.

The spoiler issue has taken a backseat apparently to the issue of who is cooler online. It's certainly not about abuse, as calling one a wanker is an insult, not abuse and doing so after a moderator calls another poster an infant is also not bad form, just a continuation of the event.

I offer you the brilliant pundit Haus and myself. I'm doing this so he won't have to take time out of his busy schedule to post the conversation and to ask what the point of any of this is, something I've been asking from the beginning.

"The point, my slow-thinking chum, is that it is possible to be a fan without being an emotionally infantile mouth-breather, as many intelligent and interesting posts to the various fora on Barbelith indicate. You are not managing that, and instead are sending abusive PMs, demanding attention and generally spitting the aforementioned dummy for no particularly good reason."

Not true. My message was not abuse and I fail to see any spitting or calling for attention other than to seek a resolution. All of my posts on the issue aside from the initial spoiler have been to this end.

"Now, you clearly have no interest in making any actual progress or offering anything productive, but simply throwing around insults. As such, I see no reason to continue this correspondence. If you want to continue to PM me in this fashion, please be aware that it will be treated as harrassing in intent, and I will feel entitled to reproduce your messages on the Board and in private messages to other members. If you can manage a civil discourse, do so in the Policy."

I'm just following the civil example you've given, Haus, in your usual manner of reposting material from another's post and responding. I'm not sure if I'm cutting you as deeply as you have others, however.

Below, my initial message to Haus on his post which sought to bait a poster to respond in kind and not further the actual discussion. I admit calling him a wanker goes a bit far but I was getting very tired of his baiting and insulting behavior. So I admit to losing my cool.

> > >You flatter yourself. You're just being being a wanker is all.
> > >
> > > And he's right that the actions that have been made are not consistent. The new thread is flawed in concept as the posts in it do not use insider info and is instead full of piss-takes and dick waving.
> > >
> > > And as far as removing spoilers from the other thread it's not even done that!
> > >
> > > Even now there are spoilers being posted in the other Who thread and nothing said about it.
> > >
> > > I've been talking to Spatula about this debacle circlejerk and deleting the whole thread seems to be for the best.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:53 / 03.06.05
One was an account of what happens in the last episodes of the series, the other described a scene which was expected in Dalek, and in doing so described occurrences at the end of the season. Whether or not either person had seen the final episodes themselves seems a bit of a false trail to me - it was the reposting of information presented as authoritative about events in episodes that have not yet been shown. Thus, spoilers.

In future, the use of block text colour for spoilers seems very sensible, but it might be a bit tricky to get people to use it...

Speaking of which, if any moderators care to take a look at the thread being referenced and have a think about what to do with it, I'd be much obliged. I can't face the hassle, and Hieronymus appears to have forgotten that as a moderator he has the power to veto and propose moderator actions rather than simply protest the machinatin' moderator actions of others.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:59 / 03.06.05
That's not what I said. Rather, I suggested that doing that would simply lead to even more arguments.

I'm going to abstain from voting on any proposed moderation to that thread now, as I'm past the point of caring. The constant desire for a fight is tiring and frustrating. I'm not prepared to be a part of that any more. Let other moderators deal with the mess that it's become - what I was trying to do originally was to find a solution that would satisfy the majority of people. That, I believe, would have happened had there not been a small minority of people wanting to use the whole thing as an excuse for an argument. They can continue to do that, but they can do it without me.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:04 / 03.06.05
Dictionary definition of abuse:

Address in an insulting or offensive way

So, I think abuse is a reasonable description of your behaviour. You've also left out an entire message, also insulting in tone, that you sent to me. You have also quoted my private messages on the open board without asking permission. You are behaving in a contemptible, immature fashion which would probably have you kicked off less tolerant boards. As it is, I have to ask whether you actually contribute anytihng of value whatsoever to Barbelith, and thus what exactly we are getting to compensate for all this tiresome trolling for attention. I don't see what this has to do with spoilers, either, since "Mister Six acts like a five-year-old" is not likely as a revelation to shock or surprise anyone.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:11 / 03.06.05
Back on topic - Mister Six is demonstrating above a pretty good example of the problem: he doesn't appear to know how to use HTML to put things in bold - indeed, he seems to find the idea of blockquoting somehow arcane and unfair - so what chance is there that he will learn to change text colours? Moderators could moderate too "spoiler out" passages, but this would a) mean those who read it before they could get to it would be spoiled, b) the moderators would be spoiled and c) people would no doubt complain that the moderators had covered up stuff that was not in fact a spoiler at all, because for some reason this is a hideous infringement of their human rights.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
16:12 / 03.06.05
Since you threatened to post our conversation without my permission, I fail to see any distinction of who is in the right on me posting it before you.

I was one of the first contributers to the Barbelith 'family', offering both the Marquis DeSade and Prisoner essays for the old site as well as contributing regularly to discussions which I bet Ganesh can recall.

I have also been in discussion on the Who Boards, worked with 'Lithers on original comics and posted news as it happened sometimes before it was made public.

It was you who felt this need to both insult others and elevate his own ego with each post in private and in public. I just called you for it.

I've also been trying to resolve this issue with Spatula who has been very polite and understanding. I know he's going through Hell over this and that really sucks. Sorry for that and any part I played in it. I hope you can see that I'm trying to resolve this and Haus has turned into a brawl.

As far as contribution to this actual issue, I've posted information regarding the series that some may actually find interesting.

What have you brought?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:21 / 03.06.05
Since you threatened to post our conversation without my permission, I fail to see any distinction of who is in the right on me posting it before you.

I told you that you were behaving in a fashion that was bordering on harrassment, and warned you that if you continued to do so that would become more relevant than your right to have your private messages kept private. I gave you a choice. You gave me no such choice. I realise that hypocrisy is much easier when you're an idiot, but that's basically the distinction. I doubt that you will understand it, or spend much time trying to.

I'll leave it to Spatula to discuss or not as he sees fit how he is finding dealing with you, but as far as I'm concerned you've been behaving like a spoiled, attention-seeking child, and I only regret that I am having to waste my time and rot this thread dealing with it. Would it be seen as moderator fascism if these rotting posts started being deleted? I won't do it myself, of course.
 
  

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