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A
14:59 / 03.11.03
Who would make for a good Irritating Kid Sidekick (because, this being the present day, there'd probably have to be one)? Richie Rich? The Olsen Twins?
 
 
gridley
16:45 / 03.11.03
Using the adventure heroes from my particular youth:

--Egon Spengler (Ghostbusters)
--Buckaroo Banzai
--Jack Burton (Big Trouble in Little China)
--Flash Gordon
--B.A. Baracas (A-Team)
--Remo Williams
--David Kessler (An American Werewolf in London)

Commanded of course by an elderly Indiana Jones.
 
 
grant
17:17 / 03.11.03
side question: how about characters who live in/around the year 2000 from pulp fiction of the 20's & 30's?
There have to be some....

I can't think of any, but I'd love it if maybe Isaac Asimov's robots were around now and the world at large didn't know about them. So maybe one of them, with the positronic brain.

It'd also be way fun to have Ray Bradbury's Martian Chronicles astronauts/dying Martians bouncing around. I'm not exactly sure when those were supposed to be taking place.

For the contemporary fiction, Jack Ryan's a good one. I think there are some recurrent characters in Carl Hiaasen's books that'd do just as well, but I'm not as up on those as I should be. Ryan definitely knows the spies from Le Carre's books, and may or may not be related to James Bond (who, after all, must've made LOTS of babies). Probably knew Felix from the agency.

And Remo Williams is a definite in.
 
 
Aertho
17:19 / 03.11.03
Well, an elderly Indiana Jones could easily BE the Charlie from Charlie's Angels...
 
 
osymandus
17:46 / 03.11.03
"Woolf's Orlando is still theoretically alive, isn't s/he? "

Alas no Orlando in teh book dies as an old woman at the turn of the twentith Century (To be reborn as Jenny sparks ;-) !)

Me id going for Fantasy/Napolionic times

Richard Sharpe , David Gemmels Druss (makes Mr Hyde look like a girl !), Sparrowhawk from the Earthsea Quartet. Hmm oh bugger cant think of anymore
 
 
grant
17:50 / 03.11.03
Screw Harry & Draco: Hermione.
Although if it's current-current, then she's in her sixth year at Hogwarts and probably too young to go off on adventures.

So how about Madame Hooch? She teaches phys. ed at a school for wizards. Think of all the gym-teacher jokes you could run with on that tidbit alone. She's also not always around, while McGonagall, Snape and Dumbledore always seem to have their hands full. She's hot shit on a broom, and knows things that ordinary folks don't.

Oh, and let's not forget Carrie. Stephen King = probably the most popular best-seller of our time. And you *know* her survival of that prom incident was all hushed up.

I bet she and Mathilda (from Dahl) would have a few things to talk about.

Willie Wonka is also an inspired choice because he's handed the factory over to Charlie Bucket. What's he going to do for kicks now?

I'd love it if the villain was Count Olaf from the Lemony Snicket books. An insane impresario with a theatrical troupe of psychotic freaks.
 
 
Aertho
18:23 / 03.11.03
Shouldn't there be a certain level of icon/archetypical nature to the selections? I mean, Mina, Jeckyll/Hyde, Invisible Man, Allan, Nemo were are somewhat iconic players in the development of the "classical horror genre". Perhaps there should be some attention paid to that as well.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is necessary in that regard (the superbattle girl), as is Hannibal Lector (the ice-cold genius of the psyche), so is the immortally suave James Bond. The grown kid from the Shining might be a good selection (the magically superpowered innocent). I was going to suggest Jules from Pulp Fiction, but I'm iffy on cult-faves like A-Team and Ghostbusters. I'm really liking the idea of Willy Wonka (the ultimate self-made man in secret control of Everything). And I think Kit the car or the Terminator is actually a good choice as well (the articial intelligence) or maybe HAL from 2001:Space Odysee.

The problem with "contemporary archetypes" is that currently we are inundated by over fifty years of social growth and cultural reference. "Current" barely exists. I was born 24 years ago, but by turn of the century standards, I've got at least eighty years of experience.
 
 
gridley
20:36 / 03.11.03
To my mind, the characters have to go together at least somewhat thematically and erawise.

So, for intance, Jules (Pulp fiction) could easilly team up with Marc Renton (Trainspotting) and Kaiser Soze (The Usual Suspects).
 
 
Quimper
20:47 / 03.11.03
I vote for The Bride from Kill Bill.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:44 / 03.11.03
Faaaaa...

we might as well include Mr. Lee from Enter the Dragon!!!

also how about the Necroscope from the book of the same title... he can speak with the dead, call them into action, and even teleport!!!

Willy Wonka is great!!!
James Bond is a classic
Carrie or Fire Starter are a Stephen King must!!!
I'd prefer Louis over Lestat.
and how about Cornellius & Zera from escape from the Planet of the apes (when they arrived on "modern day" earth)!!!
Tyler Derdin would be great, though somewhat outclassed . . . I can just hear him yelling Space Monkeys!! while Cornelious & Zera look on Agast!!!
Remo Williams is cool too but I'd prefer Mr. Lee
how about the fetus from 2001: a space oddessy?
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:58 / 03.11.03
Oh an how about we include Halloween's Micheal as a psycho Killing machine under the Psycological control of Dr. Lector?
 
 
Saint Keggers
21:58 / 03.11.03
Forget Remo Williams...you need John Rambo.
and Nancy Drew or Encyclopedia Brown
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:00 / 03.11.03
As for a Foe... how about the Crew of the Star Ship Enterprise on one of their (potentially LAST) missions to the late 20th early 21st century out to save a future the founders of he league may not have an interest in!!!
 
 
Antigen
22:19 / 03.11.03
Guys, I have got to speak up for Harry here. I've read most parts of most of those books at least half a dozen times. The baby's big sister and dad take up for the rest. It's a tag team effort.

Anyway, Harry's got something to say, man! I'm not kidding. He's the hoplessly trapped and abused little kid who conjures a wonderful fantasy world where he's the hero, friends are true and villains, though they take their toll, are always foiled in the end.

Ok, it's an old theme. But there are no new stories, are there? And it's well enough written. Come on! If Stephen King gets a showing for anything but the obscure Gunslinger series, then surely Rowling out to get a better hearing.

And, btw, what about pseudo-real characters like Scrooge McCzar? http://ADrugWarCarol.com/
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
06:58 / 04.11.03
Good choice Gridley. Buckaroo Banzai is a must.

Remo Williams? As in Remo unarmed and dangerous? I'm not sure a great deal of people are aware of him outside of America.

Chesed makes a good point about icons, to get the same kind of icons as Moore had to work with I would imagine for the 20th/21st century you would have to turn to cinema. The novel was sort of the art form of the 19th century and the film the art form of the 20th century (a huge generalisation I know), so figure like the Man With No Name (please resist the urge to point out that the character is from the 19th century I am aware of this, I'm talking about cultural resonance), Lee in Enter the Dragon (does anyone know the charcter's name), Rambo, the Terminator, Rik etc.

Strangely I thought of Sharpe as well. Conan (again I am aware which epoch the character is from)?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
07:01 / 04.11.03
JFK?
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
07:37 / 04.11.03
Although all but a cliche now, Princess Diana? Perhaps shephered around by some iconic figure with necromantic power?
 
 
Tom Coates
10:08 / 04.11.03
First things first, we're talking PULP, and as such, I think we're basically talking TV and genre fiction - although I think we should be looking at a range of genre fiction from the tackiest through to the highly untacky.

Carrie seems to me to be a must - practically iconic figure, repressed sexuality and rage. Basically ideal. Kind of a modern, post-Freudian Jekyll and Hyde figure. Very cool. Hard to get going, timid, but then insanely hardcore. On the other hand, she'd be in her late forties / fifties, so maybe she's embittered and battle-hardened?

The Dice-Man from Luke Rheinhart's book (spelled his name wrong, definitely) would also be an ideal character. Perhaps amoral, comfortable, simple or decadent. And I'd quite like Billy Pilgrim from SLaughterhouse Five (Billy Pilgrim has become unstuck in time) as well.

George Smiley is the iconic late twentieth-century spy character and I think a damn good idea (maybe taking the Quartermain role, only more bitter). Hannibal Lector is also an extremely intriguing prospect. I quite like the idea of seeing how they'd interact with one another.

There's a whole range of 80s/90s TV characters who'd be kind of ideal, some of which have a relatively iconic character. I think the guy from Manimal would be a perfect member - it's not a flashy 'power', and required medidation and was about slow bodily transforming change.

I'm also vaguely surprised that no one mentioned Doctor Who, considering how perfect he could be. Maybe he's too large a character for a team like this...

Final line-up:

George Smiley;
Hannibal Lector;
Carrie;
The Doctor;
Emma Peel;
The Dice Man;
Manimal;
Billy Pilgrim;

Hmm. Not enough women.

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Ones that I'd like but don't think are practical: quite keen on Michael Knight as the representative of the elusive financiers at the Knight foundation. But I'm not keen on putting the car in a team book, so I might have to excise him. Also, I can't for the life of me remember if he survived the book or not, but I quite like the idea of the Great Gatsby being on the team - the elegant, romantic, highly intelligent and gifted, slightly on-the-turn hundred and something year-old. I'm going to assume he didn't though.

Obviously Buffy or Angel would be worth considering. Of the two, I think Angel would probably fit the mood more clearly and is a twist on the idea of having a vampire in the team. Not sure how well either would fit, though.

I'd be intrigued by the prospect of them engaging with the Jeff Goldblum 'Fly' at some point, although perhaps the remakeness is a bit of a shame...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:24 / 04.11.03
Arthur Dent makes an excellent 20th Century Quartermain - not an adventurer, but a suburbanite forced to become a hero. And I'd suggest Ragnar Danneskjold rather than Hagbard Celine, for roughly the same reason that I'd say James Bond over xXx. I can also reveal that le Carre's spies regard Jack Ryan as a dangerous right-wing Catholic luncatic whose seat-of-the-pants brinkmanship macho nonsense could all be avoided with a little thought and conversation and some Earl Grey tea. Other picks:

Thursday Next (Eyre Affair)

Randolph Carter (Gates of the Silver Key)

Benedict MacAllan (Dead of Light)

Madison Lee (Full Throttle)

Carrie (Carrie)

Morpheus (Matrix)

George Smiley (Tinker Tailor)
 
 
e-n
11:04 / 04.11.03
McGyver!!!!!
Resident tech head and fixe-upper.
How could he not be in it!!!
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
11:48 / 04.11.03
Dr. Who is a good addition.

Are we talking about Pulp with Moore's LoEG? Moore may have turned it to Pulp but I would question if the original source material is. Dracula's debateble but Verne reads like the Kim Stanley Robinson of his time (not sure if that's a compliment or not) the material may have gone onto inspire Pulp but was it Pulp at the time?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:58 / 04.11.03
Wouldn't it be more in the spirit of the original to take modern comic book characters and put them in a gothic novel? Selina Kyle-Wayne, neglected by her dashing but driven and neglectful husband, falls in love with Logan, an itinerate farmhand with a terrible secret...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:46 / 04.11.03
Moore's picked lasting, cult figures. So we have a problem because we don't know which figures will last. I think Harry Potter's a safe bet because he's so popular now, he's not going to go away. Hannibal Lector and Carrie seem to be figures that will last, Lector certainly will. Doctor Who's a definite I'd say but The Dice Man... not publicised enough, not a giant cult figure, not entirely spottable.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:54 / 04.11.03
Sorry, don't want to spoil anything, but I'll just say, there's no way Carrie White can be in the League. HOWEVER, there is another young girl alluded to in the book at the end who would be perfect, in the way that Mina is perfect ("Dracula? Sure I've heard of it but who's Mina Murray?").

Hm. I'd love to see the League fight the Quebecian Seperatists from Infinite Jest, or at least the first roots of their movement...

As far as the SK goes, you need a shellshocked Richie Tozier from IT or the badassery of Thad Beaumont's alter ego from The Dark Half. That's, of course, if they can't manage to pull Roland Of Gilead out of the nearest Beach Door. You can have an entire adventure set solely in Maine and come across everyone from Cujo to Pennywise The Clown. Although, King is basically tying everything together himself as we speak.

I'd actually love a little sequence where the modern league stops over in Brooklyn to chat with Lethem's Lionel Essrog (Mo'less Brooklyn) and/or maybe Barret Rude Junior or Abraham Ebdus (TFOS).

I think, though, that Moore has acknowledged the presence of film in his LOEG canon, especially with the inclusion of Lebowski in the Almanac. But it is a bit too easy, with the preponderance of action heroes in film these days.

I'd love to see some Snicket in there myself. Count Olaf is crafty in a perfectly old school way.

So.
Tyler Durden.
Charlie (sans Chocolate Factory)
Dumbledore.
Richie Tozier.
And maybe one of those fucked up Corrections people.
Roast Beef: The Science Whiz Cat
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:44 / 04.11.03
I remember Manamal

along those lines why not include The Bionic Woman

and if we want the ultimate philanthropist... Mr Rork from Fantasy Island... talk about a base of operations!!!

An older embittered Carrie

Mr LEE was Bruce Lee's charactor in Enter the Dragon

I like McGyver's presence as well

as this is the 21st century I figure we'll be calling them
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The League of Extraordinary Agents

JFK Older stratagist government representitive.
Mr. Rork Independant alley with resources of his own.
Dr. Who Another rather independant Ally
Dr. Hanibal Lector SCARY genius
McGyver In the field fixer-upper
Manamal Shape-shifting in the field some resources.
Carrie SCARY psychic... interesting foil for Lector.
Mr. Lee Unstoppable Kungfu Master
Bionic Woman Bionic enhancemans for in the field action
Tyler Durden Crazy, not easily manipulated, could check Lector.

At this point Willy Wonka could prove an interesting "foe" though I still like the idea of the Leage being sent in to stop an invasion by some "federation" agents from the future.

Can you imagine the fight between Kirk and Tyler!!!

Or the meeting of the Minds between Spock and Lector!!!

Imagine McGyver and the Bionic Woman running around in the engine room of the Enterprise!!!

While Mr Lee and Manimal (as a Tiger) wading through hordes of RED SHIRTS!!!

Dr. Who hacking into the transport beems to ge tthe rest of the team into the ship!!!

IT WOULD BE EPIC!!!
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
16:58 / 04.11.03
So basically, this thread has turned into a fiasco, completely ignoring the concept of the League. So what's the point? The Justice League could kick the crap out of any of these teams.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:24 / 04.11.03
You seem a bit upset.

at which point was this not a fiasco?

really it should be moved to either the conversation or creation stations...
 
 
gridley
18:37 / 04.11.03
Oddly, Tricks, the first piece of fan fiction I ever read (this would be back in 1983?) involved the Tardis landing on the Enterprise and Kirk and Spock trying to get Dr. Who into a three-way.
 
 
Aertho
19:12 / 04.11.03
I thought the point of the post involved the evaluation of popular fiction as a cohesive whole, deciding which character identities become exemplars of particular recurring character type, and inventing a fictional unifying scenario where these elements could manifest.

I think the only one we all agree on so far is Hannibal Lector, and he's present in books and most importantly, film.

First of all, comic books are not Pop Culture fiction the way television is... So the current Justice League, whether or not they have the chops or not, doesn't become the new League or beat-em-up. However, several televised character types could be, but won't be eligible for "our league" membership, like the soap opera vixen, the dumb father, the star trekker, the confused preteen, the Fonzie, MTV's Real World intelligent automaton and uneducated hillbilly, not to mention the fictionalized reality of Madonna and Britney(blurring of the 32nd path, anyone?)

So I suppose it would be best to move this thread to either Film and TV or Conversation...
 
 
grant
19:43 / 04.11.03
Pedantic note: Randolph Carter is in the League, sort of. He's in the back-matter adventure with Quartermain in the first volume. I think his presence there (as well as John Carter, in that adventure and the second volume) would eliminate Gatsby and Conan, since both are products of the same roughly defined era.

Verne was totally pulpy at the time -- as was Sherlock Holmes or Dickens. Pop lit.

I'm using Pop Lit as my guide, but it's arbitrary -- can't argue against the inclusion of TV or film in any reasonable way.

This is a goofy thread, yes, but it's basically about a comic book. I'd leave it here.
 
 
bencher
20:14 / 04.11.03
Oh... not to encourage the fiasco, but I third the Bride from Kill Bill... she WILL kick ass.

Not limited to western culture, we should include Miyamoto Musashi.
 
 
Brigade du jour
20:16 / 04.11.03
I don't read enough contemporary literature to contribute without just going " er ... Bridget Jones? Look I don't know all right!?", but does anyone mind if I quickly congratulate Warewullf on such a brilliant idea?
 
 
Earlier than I thought
20:44 / 04.11.03
OK, paper-based alone...
The un-named guy from Len Deighton's novels (who is NOT Harry Palmer, whatever those lying films say). He'd be getting on a bit though.
A young man called James, summoned from a strange semi-organic building in New York, rumoured to house terrifying insect beasties...
Mystery Man of the hour turns out to be Will from 'The Dark is Rising', pushing middle age and a bit sinister.
...who would be nicely balanced by Araminta Cane from 'Moondial', for some time-travelling psychic mullarkey.
A disturbed/disturbing team strategist in the shape of the lunatic mathematician Miss Sayer from 'Nymphomation'.
And the senior figure? Well, it's from SK, but even the good Mr King once said he was fooling round with this idea...Father Halloran from 'salem's Lot, taking revenge on the forces of darkness!

Think I need more female influence. Suggestions.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:30 / 04.11.03
Not limited to western culture, we should include Miyamoto Musashi.

Isn't he a bit old?

How about AKIRA the baby BOMB... didn't he first go off in the late 90's?

Or one of those kids with the Giant ROBOT?
 
 
RadJose
07:57 / 05.11.03
Jonny Sokko?
 
  

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