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Persephone
17:18 / 21.10.03
So Chol & I are having this funny conversation about notebooks, and it seems selfish to keep this to ourselves.

I am obsessed with notebooks, as you know. I may seem like a notebook slut, but really I am looking for a notebook to be faithful to...

Surely there must be a great need to talk about notebooks. Doris Lessing wrote an entire novel about being obsessed with notebooks.

What kind(s) of notebooks do you have? What do you use them for? Do you have lots of different notebooks for different things, or one big notebook for everything?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:37 / 21.10.03
I am a notebook whore, I have many many notebooks scattered around the place, and pick whichever one is nearest to scrawl and scribble in. Sometimes I tear bits off them, and often I just waste them needlessly writing things in them that just don't need to be written down. At present I believe I have five or six notepads all in use.

I also have huge notepad backlog, ie things I've written down but have yet to get round to. I believe this runs to three whole notebooks.

I'm not sure if they're helping me or confusing me further. All I know is I need them.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
17:47 / 21.10.03
I order steno pads at work and take 'em home. And then they ride around in my messenger bag for weeks getting all crinkly and illegible. And then I lose them for a few months. And find them again after I've gotten a new one.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:02 / 21.10.03
I love notebooks and pads, because in addition to writing little things here and there, I am obsessive listmaker and doodler. I don't really get nice notebooks often, because they mostly get used up with useless junk that means nothing and only kills time for me. So I mostly use spiral-bound notebooks which you can get for really cheap.

I really love those big yellow legal pads.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:53 / 21.10.03
Right now I have a big shiny A4 notebook for writing my novel in, a shorthand pad for taking on trains and stuff, a teeny tiny sketchpad for teeny tiny sketches (it has an eye on the cover! How cool is that?) another, less attractive A4 pad for doing Spanish in, a little green squared paper pad for automatic writing, and a chunky ring-bound recycled paper thing for recording tarot spreads.

I need help.
 
 
grant
19:08 / 21.10.03
I'm a writer by trade. As a result, I only ever use scraps of paper and never have a pen handy. Lately, I've gotten back into keeping a dream diary, so I have a nice little notepad with a pencil in the spiral binding by the bed -- but that's the exception. My desk is engulfed by palimpsests.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:09 / 21.10.03
Ditto what Flux said. I usually wait until just after "Back To School!" time and buy cases of cheap notebooks on clearance. Obsessive lists, doodles, rambling narratives... Sometimes I even actually use them for schoolwork. In addition, I usually have at least one mini notebook in my pocket at all times for emergency use (I have two on me at present). So, in summation: notebooks = tubular. I, too, am a notebook whore.

Although I have to say that nothing freezes my hand faster than fancy, expensive notebooks. I feel like everything that I put into them has to be of the highest quality and they end up staying blank. So cheap notebooks are key.
 
 
Persephone
19:12 / 21.10.03
Suede: Wow, that seems so ...non-linear. I am a total serial notebook user; in fact, I have been using the same style notebook for a long time. So I have this series of, like, seven or eight identical notebooks. Numbered, actually.

Todd: Talk to me about sketchbooks. I was at The Art Store looking at sketchbooks, and it struck me that the problem with sketchbooks is that they have too many pages. Too intimidating. I probably have a half-dozen sketchbooks and sketchpads with drawings of my cats on the first dozen or so pages & the rest of them blank.

Flux: Do you save all your lists and doodles? I like notepads myself, but I use them exclusively for stuff that I'm going to throw away --like to do lists. I don't like very expensive notebooks, either. I find them inhibiting, they seem to demand perfection right out of the pen & that's not how I write. I just have to have decent paper, because I write with a fountain pen. And narrow rule. Wide rule gives me agoraphobia.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
19:38 / 21.10.03
Oh no! We're including sketchbooks as well? I guess some of my notebooks are also part sketchbook, but I have a few proper sketchbooks as well.

However, I just spent £11 on one sketchbook. The idea being I put all my sketching in one place, and actually sit down and make an effort. And now I'm worried I can't live up to the standard such a price sets. I feel like I have to make every page worthwhile, and yet... it's just going to full of terrible sketches that I will find embarassing to look at in a years time. Or tomorrow.

It's a daunting sketchbook, I feel like I have to impress it to validate it's purchase. I'm not sure I can live up to it's expectations. So at the moment I am hiding from it.

That's ME one up on you, mr sketchbook!

Oh, and I guess I can include the many bits of paper with drawings and bits of writing on. Sometimes I collect them all in one place, but eventually they just spread out again on their own. I think all of this reflects my brain.
 
 
Lilith Myth
20:01 / 21.10.03
I have one kind (and only one kind) of notebook for bits of dialogue, phrases, ideas, that I use serially and dated.. I have about 10 of them. I have no real way of finding the good stuff that's in them. From the back, I write book recommendations and things people tell me, but I don't want to mix those with the "real" stuff. It's a small A6 black notebook with elastic. You can keep crap in a pocket in the back, but I always lose it before then.

I have (cheaper) notebooks for other things: a narrow shape one for lists of things to do, that are cosntantly re-written and never up-to-date. I have a large brown notebook for week-planning when I'm busy. I have sketchpad-style notebooks that I save for when I'm a good artist. I have bigger versions of the cute A6 notebooks that I'm always saving for something but I don't know what it is yet.

I need notebook therapy.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:06 / 21.10.03
Do you save all your lists and doodles?

Doodles - yeah, I usually keep those. Lists? No, those get thrown away because they become meaningless almost as soon as I do them, because they are either a) weird setlist games that only make sense to me or b) memory excercises. I'm really afraid of going into this more here without making everyone think I'm the biggest OCD freak in the world. Sometimes I just write things just to look at my own handwriting.

When I was in school, I'd write down phrases I'd hear, title ideas, little bits of things people said around me, lines from books, etc etc. I would often string them together as lyrics for songs that I'd write. I haven't been writing songs for the past year or two, so I kinda stopped doing that mostly because I didn't have any reason to anymore.

When I say I make lists, it is NEVER EVER EVER EVER practical lists. It's never to-do stuff, things like that. I'm allergic to being practical, I think, so it is never organizational. It's all obsessive-compulsive details stuff that I do when I'm bored.

I used to always carry drawing pads with me too, but not so much over the past year or two.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:23 / 21.10.03
Hey, I forgot to mention my dream diary. One of my fave notebooks as well: small yet chunky, ring-bound, with a print of a stained-glass window on the cover: an iris, outlined against the sunset.

Lovely.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:40 / 21.10.03
I use Red and Black notebooks at work, because that's what's free. I have a Moleskine mini sketch pad for off-the-cuff jotting, but since I usually have a PDA with me and I know that I am more likely to synchronise than write up notes I try to use that, and if I am carrying my laptop with me and am in a position to use it I favour writing on that and saving it to a USB flash memory drive. So, most of my notebooks are not actually notebooks at all...
 
 
gingerbop
22:05 / 21.10.03
I have lots, but I rarely use them. But I like them.

At the moment, Im using a spiral-bound, fluffy-zebra covered notebook for all this glassical. Strangely, what I never use notebooks for is my diary. I like to savour my notebooks, but in my diary, I get thru about 5 pages a day, so I mostly use paper with "for general practitioners use" which my dad used to bring home from the surgery, but in his retirement, the quantities are fast dwindling. Now, Im journaling on the backs of CVs I'd printed out, and didnt need. That had my old, non-updated grades. So I didnt like those.

I bought an A3 sketchbook to do a portfolio last year, which never happened. But I love it- its so chunky and heavy, and makes me feel like I know what Im doing.

Stationery on the other hand... I am a big stationery whore. I dont even write as often as I used to- just every couple of months, but i love having coloured, patterned, bordered paper, or stuff with wee pictures in the corners.It just makes such a difference, getting a letter thats cute and nice, as opposed to a bit of lined A4 crap. I also hoard pens, lose them, find them, convince myself I NEED them, and lose them again. Vicious cycle. I used to have a Dr Martens fountain pen, that i loved, but lost. I feel very sorry for left-handers, in their inability not to smudge fountain pen writing.

I laughed when I saw this topic, but I must admit, Im liking it very much.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:11 / 21.10.03
Hey! I'm left handed, and I cant write in non-smudge if I want to.

Also: we are better than you are.
 
 
telyn
22:25 / 21.10.03
I can do left-hand non-smudge in fountain pen, but I don't often. I find fountain pens leak a lot and I got fed up of washing ink off my hands.

Random note-taking question: if you try to write stuff down in a linear way, do you manage as well? I know I can't. I just write stuff down and hope like hell I'll bump into it again. Deliberately writing it in a shambolic or slightly odd way helps me get stuff down before it vanishes.

As for actual notebooks, well I was a bit miserable and in a stationary store (WHSmiths) about 10 days ago and in need of a notebook. I just happened to be lucky and find one which had transclucent flexi-plastic coverings and on those coverings, overlapping spheres of colour. It's lovely, and because it isn't a solid plastic the light makes it look even better. Plus the best bit is on one side it says 'notes' and all the pages facing you are lined, on the otherside it says 'scribbles' and all the pages are blank. Perfect.
 
 
gingerbop
22:30 / 21.10.03
Oh. Sorry, my lefty friend informed me she couldnt use foutain pens.

A shop where I used to sell glasses had these beutiful hand-made notebooks. The had sequins, and delicate springs with little butterflies, and bits or crepe paper and all sorts of niceties on them. Stationery makes me so happy sometimes. In equal measures with cake, but with fewer calories, I'd imagine.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
00:03 / 22.10.03
Flux. Seriously. Ditto. My notebooks put Kevin Spacey in Seven to shame.
 
 
Persephone
00:34 / 22.10.03
At least 30% of my notebooks is filled up with schedules. It's like trainspotting, only I'm the train.

Plus the best bit is on one side it says 'notes' and all the pages facing you are lined, on the otherside it says 'scribbles' and all the pages are blank.

Ohhh, that's nice. My favorite notebook also has that kind of translucent plastic cover, very pretty. I just bought a new kind of notebook this weekend, these Moleskine Volant notebooks --this is how the conversation got started, by the way. These are basically cheapo Moleskines, they're so cheaply made that about every fifth page of the lined notebooks is unlined. At first I was nonplussed, but now I think it's perfect. Definite yes to writing it in a shambolic or slightly odd way, I often write with my eyes half-closed. Like symbolically half-conscious...

Don't you make fun of my notebook thread, miss gingerbop! Just you wait until I start my teapot thread!! (I would looove a fluffy-zebra covered notebook. Maybe I will make myself a fluffy zebra covered bag to carry my notebooks in.)

It's such an elegant system, I so envy UK paper sizes...
 
 
Persephone
00:42 / 22.10.03
You can take notes on your PDA, Haus? Just to write "P" takes me five minutes. I prefer paper for everything. Except I want a Bluetooth cell phone that I can store contacts in & sync up with my computer.
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:55 / 22.10.03
I've been on the same notebook for almost three years now. It started out as my Greece and Turkey travel diary, then became my book of lists and whatnot, books I've read, more travel, languages, etc. ... and now it's a fun record of my life since February 2001. There's only about 20 pages left in it now, so I've bought a new one, about the same small, square ring binding size...
 
 
Ethan Hawke
01:15 / 22.10.03
I don't really have any sketch books I use very much, because most of the ones that are large enough to be useful are too bulky to carry around. Additionally, I'm most intereseted in drawing in charcoal right now, with which I can't see myself obtaining results on anything smaller than 11x14, and which isn't really the most portable of media due to the omnipresent threat of smudging.

I do enjoy drawing on the subway, though, when I can get an uncrowded seat.
 
 
w1rebaby
03:21 / 22.10.03
I have an 800mhz iBook with a Union Jack cover. Yes, I do. I can explain that one. I also have a Tungsten T (or did, until it broke down and I sent it off to be repaired) which is best, practically speaking, for taking notes on. You can download them, the Graffiti doesn't take that long to learn and you can also do stuff like draw pictures.

I also have a purple-covered journal that I got from Paperchase a couple of years ago, before I started blogging, which I still maintain occasionally. As well as that I have a notebook from a conference that I went to which I write in with a particular fibre-tip pen. It's the feel of it.

I would pay several hundred dollars for a proper fountain pen with the right balance of weight, nib size and pressure required. Probably not more than $300 without checking my bank first - probably not more than $500 all told. But it's the pen that makes the most difference. Decent paper is easy to get hold of; a pen is more personal. Permanent black ink of course.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
05:03 / 22.10.03
I carry a moleskine in my pocket, and I carry a ringbound 9x12 sketchbook everywhere I go. The moleskine catches 'oh, i'd better write this down' things--song lyrics, math ideas, to-do lists, books I want to read. However, I almost never re-read them, which is why I never get anything done.

The sketchbook is supposed to be my da Vincian notebook, so it is filled with journal entries, mindmaps on books I'm reading, class notes, sketches, math scratch work, anything that comes to mind with no organization whatsoever. Which is great for catching things and being a better person and all, but I don't re-read the sketchbooks, either.

How often do people re-read what they've written? Do you organize it in some way or pull the gems out periodically or something? I'm new to journaling... I guess I haven't figured out what to do with this glorious mass of brilliance mixed with mundanity...
 
 
Ariadne
06:09 / 22.10.03
At work I use a ring-bound reporter's notebook, dated and added to the pile beside me when it's finished. I have a couple of the same dotted about the house for phone messages and such.

Otherwise - an A4 pad for French class, a little green plastic covered one for vocabulary ... and everything else on my Palm. Like Haus and Fridge I find it really easy to take notes on it, and I use it for just about everything. Though Loomis refuses to shop with me if I go to the supermarket with the shopping list on my Palm, so we end up with scribbles on the back of envelopes.

I just upgraded to a shiny new Tungsten - just an E, but it's fabuloso.
 
 
Cat Chant
06:40 / 22.10.03
I can explain that one

Go on, then.
 
 
invisible_al
07:30 / 22.10.03
I have a rather natty little ring bound Muji notebook, grey clear plastic cover with clear paper. It's quite handy if I want to scribble random thoughts and ideas down and I'm quite in favour of lists as I know that I'm not that fanatical about keeping to them. It's just quite cool really, and fits nicely some of pockets on my combats .

Btw Mindmaps of books? What do they look like?
 
 
illmatic
09:50 / 22.10.03
Oooh Muji? Niiiceee....

I have a dream diary which sits next to bed, a magick/personal type diary which I have phases of enthusiasm for (observations of self and behaviour, reactions to stuff, insights), and I tend to start a new notebook everytime I begin a new project. My current one is home to two projects, writing one from the front, the other from the back. In addition I have a diary for another programme of exercises, sadly falle into disuse. I also have a notepad for work tasks which lives on my desk, divided into pending and immediate (this is actaully essential, the rest are a bit more OCD-R-Us) and a "carry round" notebook which is currently full of ...lets see....a half written book review, some more magick-related list stuff I'm memorising, lists of books read, films seen and a Robert Anton Wilson list, records wanted, some diary notes that haven't found a home yet, some info on teacher training and some magick related email correspondece I printed out for inspiration. I like this, it's like a portable brain.

Also did have an expenditure diary which I kept for a month and is now sitting on my table at home, watiting for the analysis which I am putting off. I like this thread. Just like notebooks, it's strangely compelling...
 
 
illmatic
09:58 / 22.10.03
Fogot one!! Cos it lives up on a shelf... I have another notebook (hardback, pink which is a it weird) for I Ching readings.

Maybe I need help, but it all makes perfect sense. I know this thread is going to make me use them more.
 
 
Squirmelia
09:59 / 22.10.03
I have quite a collection of notebooks, but I need to buy another one for November to start Nanowrimo in! Last year, I bought a lovely crinkly purple covered notebook, with a leaf skeleton on the front. There's some pages left in it, but I want a blank notebook to write in.

I have a few A5 notebooks with black pages that I always intended to print bits out that I'd written, and stick in, but I've never quite completed that, so it's just bits of paper waiting there.

I've got one A5 notebook with blue paper, that I've written mainly in Japanese in, and stuck quotes and things in it. Another blue notebook, that is smaller in size, I took to jotting down random paragraphs in.

I've got an A5 red hardbacked lined notebook, that I've had for years, and is mainly ramblings about relationships and people, that I kept well hidden from everyone, and try not to write in very often. I've got a few other notebooks also similar, as well as some filled with boring to-do type stuff.

I've got an A5 spiral-bound plastic-covered pink notebook with coloured circles on, that I write most of my day-to-day sort of notes in, just of what I see around me and stuff, some of which end up in my LiveJournal. I tend to carry it around with me most of the time.

I've got a tiny little diary that I also carry around a lot, that if I'm really desperate for something to write on, resort to that.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:25 / 22.10.03
I use A4 spiral bound notebooks for my diary/journal thing, much better than the ones that have a spin as, when you approach the end you don't have the problem of the pages not turning so you have to stop writing halfway across the page from the spine.

Since I managed to adapt to writing on computer I'm not a great user of notebooks any more, I draft and write letters on the PC then print them out, most people I contact by email these days. So I have several old A4 notebooks and A6(?) ones that I use for scribbling notes, reminders, shopping lists etc. I was scribbling notes frantically in the dark when I went to see the Jeremy Hardy film a few months back. Another thing that puts a crimp on it is that I've found I can't write on the move any more. I used to be able to, but I've found I can't write on the train or a car or anything, and I can't maintain the concentration either. I can read though. Odd. And I once painted my nails while on the Tube but found I could only do it by waiting for the train to stop at each station and then quickly painting a nail before it started again. But I digress...
 
 
w1rebaby
12:41 / 22.10.03
Go on, then.

Well, I can't really, not completely. But it's amazing the things that someone who's a bit lonely in a foreign, flag-obsessed country will latch on to for some group identity, even if they're an anti-nationalist. It's removable.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:42 / 22.10.03
I was going to respond to this and say that I am far too disorganised to use notebooks - certainly this is how I think of myself - but actually it isn't true. What is true is that I use notebooks, but am generally too disorganised to use them in a systematic fashion, and so periodically I bin old ones (or put them in a plastic bag somewhere) and start new ones, but am just as disorganised.

I think fancy/expensive notebooks are best kept for diaries and journals. I don't buy them, though, because I really dislike using lined paper for a journal. So at the moment I have a plain black cloth-covered book for an infrequently-updated diary (with list of books read in the back). I also have a small spiral-bound book which someone gave me and which I use for writing down short poems in (nothing which goes over a page). Poems by other people, that is. I use the black diary book for everything else including drawings on the hoof, poetry composition for birthday cards, and so on.

I have a work notebook for my 'I have outside interests!' job, but don't we all. I am also still pretending to be a student, and I therefore have the spiral-bound notebook of doom, which has everything in it - meeting notes, reading notes (when I forget my foolscap pad), lists of books to consult, random passages I find about animals/mythological beasts, seminar notes, deathless thorts, endless lists etc. I do actually go back through this when writing up, to make sure I haven't forgotten something important. I also have two tatty exercise books, one for secondary material and one for primary sources which I happen across during other reading.

I've got a Moleskine sketchpad somewhere but I think it is too pretentious to use, really...
 
 
Persephone
14:00 / 22.10.03
Do you think that the Moleskine sketchbook itself is pretentious, or just that it's pretentious to sketch in public? Todd & I have lamented that we always bring our sketchbooks with us on vacations, then are too self-conscious to draw in public. That's the other sort of drawing that I have in my sketchbook, besides cats --the insides of hotel rooms.

Ahhhhh, I really didn't need to know about those Muji notebooks *short period of intense covetousness* ...what are Red and Black notebooks, by the way? Is that the brand, or just what color they are?

Do you want to hear about my notebooks? Say yes. I will pay you to say yes.

Yay, okay.

I have three kinds: one, I use Circa notebooks, which are sort of a cross between a spiral and a binder, from Levenger, for my agendas. I have the regular-size and the junior-size, and I make the pages myself on a copy machine. The regular size one is for life outside work --e.g., evenings and weekends; the junior size one is for work or weekdays.

Two, I've been using these junior-size "business" spiral notebooks for ...two years, I guess. I don't know what makes it "business," as it's purple with purple pages. It's narrow-ruled, which is important. And the spiral's nice and compact, generally I find spirals too bulky & then they get mashed and the pages don't turn properly. This is for blurty stuff, I wouldn't even call it a journal. At least one of the books is full of nothing but I-Ching readings. Writing in this way was kind of a discovery for me. Before this, I would habitually tear out pages if I spelled something wrong, or miswrote it, or even if I didn't like how my handwriting looked. The handwriting in these books is the handwriting of a madman. These are the books of Id, and I just keep filling them up. The bad, sad thing that I was commiserating with Cholister about is that they changed the paper from a nice, pale orchid to a bright lavender; when I found out about the color change, I bought up the rest of the orchid ones, but I am almost out and then I don't know what I am going to do.

Three, I just bought these Moleskines. Despite sounding like an utter fou about notebooks, this is actually the first new notebook purchase I've made in two years. I had this brainflash writing in my purple notebook that I needed to be writing this way for my "actual" writing, but that I did need to be able to find this writing. (It's impossible to find stuff in my purple notebook, because I turn the notebook upside-down to write on the back of pages, so the spiral is always on my left & isn't in my way, which slows me down. It's nauseating to read, so I don't.) Hence, the cheap Moleskines. I also got a set of these unlined to see if this will work for drawing, too. Wouldn't it be funny if every fifth page of the unlined notebooks were lined, I could break from my drawing to burst into an essay or poem?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:16 / 22.10.03
I think what I object to is not the actual notebooks per se, but a) the extortionate price and b) the ghastly branding - 'this is the notebook that Bruce Chatwin/Jack Kerouac/other 'hip' writer used all his life...'; really puts me off. And I think, if I get mine out in public, people will be thinking 'urrr, look at her, with her Moleskine, she thinks she's a real writer...'.

Actually, worrying about this is probably far more pretentious than just using a Moleskine, so I should stop incriminating myself.
 
  

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