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Sorting my shit out. Support needed.

 
  

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Olulabelle
07:34 / 09.10.03
I think we should all collectively help you to bash your demon over the head. Everybody, ready, steady.....bash.

Kisses.
 
 
Vadrice
07:50 / 09.10.03
Well... looks like you've got lot's of spare strength to draw on if you need it.

However, if all these other (far more geographicly viable) folk punk out on you,
well, you just let me know if you need any more.
I am available through phone and fax just like everyone else in this drunken politician town.

PMs work too.

braver than a badger assassin, even.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:17 / 09.10.03
There comes a time when we must all lay down our animal heads and step away from the tightrope. Good luck, good sir.
 
 
Mono
08:51 / 09.10.03
Stoat. As your wife-to-be, I promise to love honour, and nag, nag, nag if you need it. Good luck today, darlin.
 
 
Quantum
09:45 / 09.10.03
Good luck stoatie, you're doing the right thing.
BTW It's too easy to waste away in Stokie
As in, Stoke on Trent, Staffs? Fuck dude, I had to spend four years there, another whole dose of Huggles for you for that- badger assassins ain't got nothing on you.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:06 / 09.10.03
Nah, Stoke Newington. Much nicer, but also much readier(?) access to booze.
Thanks so much, everyone. My appointment's in a couple of hours... as I remember, the first time they'll just interview me and give me a form to keep track of how much I drink over the next couple of weeks. Right now, staying in, playing videogames and getting drunk seems more attractive, but it's not really an option. I was gonna stay in bed until it was time to go so I wouldn't have time to back out, but the dog needed walking. And I made a point of telling everyone I know that I was going, so there's no lunching out on this one.

Oh well. I've arranged to go for a couple of quiet beers WITH A FRIEND WHO WON'T LET ME GET TOO HAMMERED afterwards. Sticks'n'carrots, innit? Then it'll be home to a flatmate who knows I'm going to this meeting today and also won't let me get shitfaced.

Jesus. 31 fucking years old and I'm scared to go and talk to someone about booze.
 
 
_Boboss
10:16 / 09.10.03
much much luck and strength to you. really really don't mean to be a cunt but why don't you say to friend 1 that you want to do something *other* than have a couple of beers this afternoon? that would sound like a good start to me
 
 
Vadrice
10:18 / 09.10.03
Well, I cracked out the cinnamon for my pot of coffee this morning in your honor.
So while you're doing the silly administrative aspects of drying up a bit, I'll be enjoying my synthetic sleep, for a change.

Don't mean to gloat or anything. I put the cinnamon in for YOU, not me.
Seriously.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:22 / 09.10.03
K- the beer was actually my idea. Having said that, there's a fairly good chance that HE'll suggest doing something else instead. Also, to just cut it out completely would probably kill me. Almost literally. Control is what I'm after. If I wasn't meeting up with him, I know for a fact I'd just come straight home and hit the Red Stripe.
 
 
_Boboss
10:40 / 09.10.03
thought your reasoning might be something like that, and difficult to disagree with plus. i can see that being able to start a session and then finish it when you choose could be more useful than immediately coming to terms with out'n'out abstinence. luck and strength again
 
 
grant
12:01 / 09.10.03
 
 
Cherry Bomb
12:41 / 09.10.03
Good luck, man.
 
 
gornorft
12:53 / 09.10.03
"Support needed"
Support given!
Given that I only ever post here when I'm drunk, and I'm posting here a lot more than I used to, and I'm posting now, right, I know what you mean and I wish in some sense that I also had the sense to do something about it. Good luck to you man. I won't send huggles and I won't send you a high five and I won't send congratulations in 12 steps but I kinda envy you your strength to take action. The most you're ever gonna get from an Aussie is....
On ya Bloke!
 
 
Bear
13:37 / 09.10.03
Hope everything went ok Stoat. After being through similar situations with family and friends I think the cutting down rather that trying to totally stop is the best idea and it helps to have lots of friends around and your fine on that level.
 
 
Sax
15:04 / 09.10.03
Useless, irreverent advice:

Have kids! You won't have the time, energy or money to drink!

Worked for me.
 
 
Quantum
15:28 / 09.10.03
Stoke Newington much nicer, but can still drive one to drink...
Hope it went alright, more huggles and stuff. Drink lime and soda water.
 
 
salix lucida
16:25 / 09.10.03
hey, I'm not gonna pretend I know exactly what yer going through or even that I really know ye, but you've got all the in-control good supportey vibes I can muster. I've been too close to that for my own comfort...
 
 
w1rebaby
00:01 / 10.10.03
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:07 / 10.10.03
They were very nice, actually, despite my being terrified all the way there. Apparently I'm now on a waiting list, and should soon have a 1-on-1 counsellor. They've given me one of those forms to write down how many units I drink each day, under what circumstances, how I feel at the time etc... recommended me a weekly group session for drunken depressives...

All in all, nowhere near as bad as I thought. And I feel much better for having gone. And I didn't even get drunk afterwards... went for the "quiet couple of pints", then went to see Current 93/CarterTutti with lilly and her husb (a gig I'd forgotten was happening tonight). Not really a "getting shitfaced" kind of gig, which helped. As did the fact that they were both fucking brilliant. Then came home, bought a couple of cans, and realised that for whatever reason, beer was making me feel ill. So I'm now going to bed, feeling like I accomplished something.

The one really scary part, though, was when she told me that with the amount I drink, I shouldn't just stop suddenly (not that I was planning to) unless under medical supervision- apparently my central nervous system would go into shock. Now THAT scared me.

Does anyone know anything about acupuncture? It's always kind of scared me, but the woman I spoke to today has recommended that I go to this "daycare for pissheads" place, and that the acupuncture thing is really good.
 
 
angel
00:54 / 10.10.03
Stotie, hon, you rock! You are so doing the right thing and you sound like you are in the right head space to do it and (most importantly) surrounded by people who are willing and able to give you whatever support you need.

Sometimes we need the truth to be hard and scarey before we take ourselves seriously enough to make the difficult choices.

And please add me to the list of people that you can call on for kind words and support any hour of the day or night.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:13 / 10.10.03
Dunno about acupuncture for booze, but it's been used successfully to get heroin addicts clean: it's the basis for the "black box" treatment that Eric Clapton credits with saving his life. In this treatment, acupuncture is used to stimulate production of your body's natural opioids, which keep you from having horrible withdrawal sickness while the unnatural opiates flush out of your body.

I don't know if there's a similar process for alcohol, though: opiates are an odd thing because the human brain is hardwaired to respond to them, and there's a one-to-one correspondence between the drug and a natural chemical our bodies create. I don't think there's the same correspondence with alcohol—but there might be some similar treatment. It's worth investigating, anyway...

...especially given that the standard medical protocol for in-patient alcohol withdrawal is pretty gnarly-looking. My wife D, who is a nurse, used to work on a unit that routinely handled the "Ativan protocol"—i.e., alcohol detox. The treatment consists, in most cases, of mild doses of anti-anxietals, anti-convulsives, vitamins, fluids and a lot of sitting around waiting.

The process takes about a week: the worst is generally over after the first three days. I've heard a few horror stories about the Ativan protocol, some involving the words "five-point leather restraints," but for most people it is a rough godsend. I'm not going to pretend it's not extremely difficult and uncomfortable, but for some people it is their last best chance to start getting well.

I'm not trying to scare you any more than you're scared already. Just... just tread lightly, is all. Listen to your people—sounds like they've got the right attitude—and if you think that detox is gonna be a necessary step, take heart. You've shown enormous guts just getting as far as you have, Stoat: you can handle a week in Ativan Boot camp, if that's what it takes.

Love, peace, and courage, my brother.
 
 
illmatic
07:32 / 10.10.03
Re: Acupuncture. There are several acupuncturists/herbalists, at my martial arts class. Will ask and get back to you.
 
 
grant
15:12 / 10.10.03
My sister's an acupuncturist. I let her and her friends do stuff to me while they were still in school. There's nothing to be afraid of -- a great deal of what they do is herbal, and a few of the pressure point techniques don't use needles at all (if that's what's got you nervous). They use heat (moxibustion) or suction (cupping).

I'd far rather have acupuncture than a vaccination -- can't even be compared.

In New York, there's a regulatory system in place, so there must be plenty of folks doing it.

Studies go back and forth on *how* useful acupuncture is, but they agree it at least provides a "useful adjunct therapy" for alcohol withdrawal, and at best is a very good tool for putting a leash on that Demon Rum.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:42 / 10.10.03
I shall rise a glass of cool iced tea to the best of lucks to you in this, Stoat.
 
 
pomegranate
19:39 / 10.10.03
yes i have heard that it's safer to go cold turkey from heroin than alcohol, if yr addicted that is. best to wean yrself off i s'pose.
go stoat!
 
 
gingerbop
23:38 / 10.10.03
Not as good as grant's, not even stoats, but fabulous all the same
 
  

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