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Silvestri on New X-men... (Spoilage)

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19:03 / 07.10.03

Marc Silvestri interviewed about his work on Grant's last arc "Here Comes Tomorrow".

With some MAJORLY spoiling preview images.

Lets count the cameo's.
There's the Cuckoos, someone that looks like Alex, the Nightclops', Beast (or what looks like Beast), a BIG ass Sentinel, some Fantomex-y looking guy, Cassandra Nova, Martha, Wolverine, Beak and a whole SLEW of new characters.

The article says to click the thumbs for larger versions and they're not kidding. A LOT is hidden from the thumbs.

Sheesh.

Speculate away kids:

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

19:52 / 07.10.03

Looks like Beast's turned evil to me.

Not just Nightcylopses, ArchNightcylopses! Beastclyopses!

Statue of Xavier, hmmmm.

Thor???

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

19:56 / 07.10.03

Hmm. Alex? More like...

LONGSHOT, BABY!!!

Fantomex Style + Third Species Logo =
Weapon Plus + Third Species???

180 years down the line, I can see where their paths might start pulling together. How amazing would it be if those NightclopsMcCoy's are all like Weapon MCXXXXVI - MCXVXXXXXXXXXIX?

180 years. Wow. So that rules out a lot of the speculation thus far. *Whistling Sound*

Definitely not Beak, then. Unless he's a resilient bastard.

20:08 / 07.10.03

Again I'm getting mixed messages about this.
1) that sure LOOKS like Beak could do when he's all growed up.
2) We get to see the Cuckoo's, well the three remaining ones. Have they survived 180 years?
3) There are amalgams of beast/angel/cyclops/nightcrawler running round. On the side of the bad guys?
4) Either thats Thor or some mutant wielding Mjolinor.
5) There is a sentinel, classic design, and also the ruins of the Mansion. This seems to indicate that not much has changed/developed in the last two centuries.

Could there be some time travel involved?
This would make more sense (on the info provided so far) to be two decades in the future and not two centuries.

Marc's comments about Grant's sudden decision to leave has me wondering about all the plot threads that could be left dangling.

AND.... Grant is rumoured to be insisting on Marvel keeping the changes that he makes to Scott's character in issue 152. Which is part of the future arc. How does Scott show up during this story?

Matthew Fluxington

20:11 / 07.10.03

I'm very impressed by Silvestri's art on this. It all feels very right, and he was a very appropriate choice to illustrate the storyline.

I'm also very fond of the storyline's title, "Here Comes Tomorrow."

So, all in all, New X-Men was a story in three acts, each with three parts.

01 E Is For Extinction
02 Germ Free Generation
03 Imperial
--
04 New Worlds
05 Riot At Xavier's
06 Murder At The Mansion
--
07 Assault On Weapon Plus
08 Planet X
09 Here Comes Tomorrow

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

20:13 / 07.10.03

Mmmmm. Not so sure if I like the "feel" of this...

...looks a little too Age of Apocolypse to me.

Matthew Fluxington

20:16 / 07.10.03

I don't think you should take Marc's comments too seriously - all he's saying is that he didn't know anything, and it was all news to him.

It seems like this was always the conclusion that Grant was coming to, and if you look back, he's always said that it was a self contained story, that all loose ends would be tied up, and that he didn't think he'd be on longer than three years. If you read the recent interview with Grant on Comic Book Resources, he indicates that his story is complete, and it was always planned this way, and that he wasn't forced to change anything.

So yeah, I just think Silvestri was just doing his job and didn't know anything more than he needed to know.

22:01 / 07.10.03

Somehow I don't think Thor will feature in Morrison's fantasy x-world.

Guy with the hammer=Forge. Betcha a tenner.

He has a hammer, you know, like a blacksmith.

22:39 / 07.10.03

It seems like many of the characters in these preview panels are analogues of contemporary x-players - if not the real deal.

Girl with Halo? Something to do with Emma Frost?

Girl with red hair? One of Jean's descendents?

Beastlike fella with crucible? Now who could he relate to?

Etc

22:42 / 07.10.03

My point being, don't expect to see anyone who isn't strictly x-universe - at least, don't expect anything more than a cameo.

That means no Avengers. No Spiderman and no Fantastic 4.

Murray Hamhandler

23:12 / 07.10.03

Holy shit. Is that...Magxorno???

00:44 / 08.10.03

I can't see any Magneto/Xorn?

3 Stepford Cuckoo-like gals, with Cerebra helmet. Check.

Fantomexalike chap with U-Men symbol on chest. Check.

Various Night-comboes. Check.

The whole "180 years in the future" thing could be related to The World and it's time fuckery.

Forge w/ hammer, yes. I think so.

The rugged blonde chap could be Cannonball, 'cos he is/was supposed to immortal.

Murray Hamhandler

01:34 / 08.10.03

The third image. Maybe it's just Namor pretending to be Xorn. I don't know. Xornamor!

Whatever. They're probably none of 'em who we think they are.

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

02:31 / 08.10.03

Dude, dude, dude:

Girl With Halo:

ANOTHER ANGEL!

Fucking brilliant.

03:13 / 08.10.03

I'm pretty sure the Goth-girl in the front of the second image is the new goth Rogue that he mentions in the manifesto. Since he never got to kill the real Rogue...

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

07:14 / 08.10.03

S'not forge. no robot bits.

07:36 / 08.10.03

Sorry, mate, that's not an argument. The future innit, they can just grow body parts. Anyway, who said it was the Forge?

I suppose you could argue that robot bits are integral to the Forge look, but I'm afraid I'll take some convincing.

08:50 / 08.10.03

I'm suprised no-one's noticed the similarites between Storm and the 'halo' girl. White hair, big lips, ethereal presence...

The boy with the blonde hair doesn stand out as he's the only one wearing a current X-jacket. Hmmmm.

09:06 / 08.10.03

Um, doesn't he have something to do with that one boy and his Sentinel business?

Helmet thingy controls said Sentinel.

Matthew Fluxington

10:50 / 08.10.03

I've never understood why Forge, who can invent anything, didn't just grow a new leg rather than having a robot leg that always seems to get busted up in battle. It's obviously just an "comics artists love cyborgs" thing, but whatever. Forge is such a slacker. He could save the world, and he just makes guns!

10:59 / 08.10.03

Helmet thingy is a portable Cerebra.
The Sentinel kid hadn't even been invented when Grant wrote this story.

11:14 / 08.10.03

Hadn't it? Oh well, I tried.

Can't think why I didn't think of a portable Cerebra. Nice Granty idea.

11:25 / 08.10.03

Actually, scratch that. Whilst I go along with the portable Cerebra, isn't it possible that Grant liked the sentinel kid so much that he decided to incorporate it into his story? I mean, the fact that Grant had the entire plot mapped out at the beginning of the run doesn't preclude minor changes along the way.

And don't editorial pressures guarantee a few alterations?

Maybe Marvel wanted him to promote their new comic. S'not out of the question, is it?

13:02 / 08.10.03

Except that its ALSO set 180 years in the future.

The kid would most likely be dead by then.

Sorry.

(rack em up n I'll shoot em down bossboy)

13:30 / 08.10.03

That Sentinel looks NOTHING like the one in "Sentinel". That kid isn't blonde. That kid isn't a mutant. Morrison self contain's his shiat. And on and on and on and.....

14:03 / 08.10.03

Morrison self contain's his shiat

What does that mean?

Look, I'm not convinced it's the kid from Sentinel, far, far from it. Rawkusboy's original post was enough to cut short my noodlings.

I suppose I was making a more general point about a work being complete from the get go. In comics - in the creation of stories - things change, as in life, especially when you're writing the an uberbook like NXM.

Now, as a little discursive aside, if Morrison is attempting analogues of contemporary characters, surely it stands to reason - in fact we've seen to a bucket load of evidence, judging by the preview pics - that there will be a few visual cues pertaining to their 'identities'?
It doesn't matter that the story is set ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY YEARS IN THE FUTURE. Any sensible writer would make sure that at least some of the new characters harked back to their original incarnation. Therefore we could expect to see a teenage boy with a sentinel if Morrison chose to include the concept.

Sorry for the rant. I'm sure I haven't told you anything you don't already know.

14:30 / 08.10.03

Heard a dodgy rumour regarding this arc:
Jon Sublime, Wolverine and Cassandra all time traveling.
Sounded legit then it was expanded upon and now sounds like corn. Unsure if I like knowing this spoiler if it is true.

Professor Silly

21:56 / 08.10.03

...perhaps mutants just have unusually long life spans compared to the "mere" humans that came before....

22:32 / 08.10.03

the whole time travel thing is probably false. in the silvestri interview its stated that, at least Wolverine's reason for being in the future would be pretty obvious if we thought about it. The reason is probably his healing factor. for the other mutants, methinks nano machines might be involved.

23:37 / 08.10.03

Agree. Rumours aside, I'll go with simplicity.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

09:35 / 09.10.03

It's been proven (or at least I think it has) that the body doesn't "age" of it's own accord, it's just damaged by oxygenisation etc. With the right medical advances someone could stay young and beautiful for a very long time

16:23 / 10.10.03

In The World. I hope Morrison spins Wolverine 180 years into the future, via his 'this is the last time I'll ever piss about with time signatures/framing in comics, honest'* device.

The Wolverine franchise needs a sci-fi edge, for sure.

*I don't think he said that, I just made it up. I love those devices, anyway.

08:52 / 13.10.03

Actually, even if the guy with the helmet isn't Sentinel's boy all growed up, I don't think his helmet is a portable Cerebra. Looking at the promo images in the Silvestri interview, there's one of the Stepford Cuckoos with a machine that is defnitely such a cerebra and I don't think there would be two active at the same time in the narrative.

09:39 / 13.10.03

Why not have two active Cerebra's? Why not have loads? If that is a portable version then it would suggest that there is a stationary version somewhere and quite probably more portable ones...
For mutants to seek out mutants... or perhaps something more sinister?

09:56 / 13.10.03

Unless it's a device for controlling sentinels.

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