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Gentlemen's Relish

 
  

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adamswish
16:13 / 02.10.03
is that something to do with the Pearly Kings and Queens of the East End Ganesh?
 
 
Ganesh
16:14 / 02.10.03
It could be. After a fashion...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:53 / 02.10.03
I read that as "Tom Baker is going to be making something I want"...

Oh, I wish be as cool as Tom Baker - but some things are just beyond us.

For anyone who's wondering, Gentleman's Relish is a pasty, fishy goo which some people like to eat with anything from Scrambled Eggs to the cavities (apparently) of avocados.

Personally, I think it's revolting, but I'm a philistine.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
21:07 / 02.10.03
I know I plug them so much it must seem like I work for them, but nevertheless, this sounds like a case for..

And that link which Riz screwed up would be Careless Talk Costs Lives, which I have admittedly never read, although a friend of mine does actually work for them.

As for other [men's] mags, I used to love Loaded when in started -- which was almost a decade ago, y'know. Back in the days when you could see pictures of women not taking their kit off to get some coverage in a magazine! Back when they had women writing for them (they may do again, but there was a long time when they didn't). Back when the interviews were some of the best in journalism, period.

I used to be such a magazine junkie, but I never read lifestyle magazines anymore. The last time I bought The Face, most of the articles and interviews bored me, and even the design left a lot to be desired. If I want something to read on a journey now, I am most likely to pick up a copy of New Scientist.
 
 
Axel Lambert
10:08 / 03.10.03
With you on the trendier magazines, Sax. I buy Sleazenation almost every month (it just looks so appealing on the shelf!), and Face now and then, both mostly not to miss some new essential music hype. But I'm almost always disappointed. It's really mostly gloss and little reading. Better than Dazed&Confused and iD, though.

But hey, I must be as old as you, if not older (I'm 38), and I don't really feel old while reading these mags.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
10:57 / 03.10.03
Went through a period of FHM buying, up until about the point I realised women's bodies weren't smooth and shiny all over, like fibreglass.
One thing I noticed was the formula for writing articles about women. Two particular opening gambits:

1)Most models/actresses/tv presenters are stupid/vain/humourless/obsessed with dieting, but model/actress/tv/presenter is smart/down-to-earth/cracks jokes/is eating a huge cheeseburger right now.

2)home country of model/actress/tv presenter is known principally for list of things the country is known for, the more cliched and negative the better, but now it can boast model/actress/tv presenter.

Currently I buy the occassional issue of Total Film (since Neon is not available) and, yes, I sometimes buy SFX, mainly for the news section. Plus they were terribly nice about Mr. Hell.
 
 
rizla mission
12:50 / 03.10.03
So I was doing a bit of decorating at a recently vacated student flat today, and someone had left a recent copy of FHM lying around, so I thought that,er, in the interests of research, since I'd just dismissed it as "evil" and all, and because I was really really bored, I'd give it a look, on the basis that, well, y'know, it can't possibly be as bad as I expect it to be etc.

Oh my god! It's even worse! - so dumb and reprehensible I can scarcely believe it!

I mean some of this shit surely crosses the line into outright misogyny.. the feature in which readers write in with hee-larious examples of "stupid things women say" being a particular, um, highlight..

And is it just me being weird, or is their psuedo-porn about as dull and unerotic as it's possible for photos of young women in their pants to possibly be?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:38 / 03.10.03
Oh, I wish be as cool as Tom Baker - but some things are just beyond us.

Tom Baker should bring out his own lifestyle mag - it'd be fucking excellent.
 
 
gingerbop
13:44 / 03.10.03
Once on a bus full of 7 year-olds, I was reading out parts of Loaded, I think it was, to a friend. My (mid-fifties female) gym coach came up to the back, wondered what everyone was laughing at, raised the magazine so she could see the front, and read *very* loudly what she presumed to be the name of it: "Girl-on-Girl" She repeated this, realised what she had said, how loud she had said it, and how many little kids she had said it in front of. Twas rather amoosing.
 
 
rizla mission
20:11 / 03.10.03
Tom Baker should bring out his own lifestyle mag - it'd be fucking excellent.

Yes!! I dread to think what would be in it.. but I'm sure it would make for improving reading.
 
 
Not Here Still
14:52 / 05.10.03
Well I have to admit to being a major magazine and newspaper junkie - I will read pretty much anything which I find interesting, but at the moment this doesn't count too many of the mens' magazines.

One of the things I really hate about these magazines is the tone of shared beliefs - the assumption that you must want to aspire to being a successful businessman, living in a studio loft in London's Trendy wherever and able to invest in the latest hip gadget. The sort of man who always orders Tanqueray, knows just how much olive brine goes into a dirty martini and keeps his cigars at the exact room temperature they need to be kept at.

Yet oddly, who needs to be told how to fuck, what to wear and what to listen to. Bollocks to that. (This rant covers the Esquire/ GQ/ Arena end of the market. FHM, ICE and Front are more or less blatant nowadays in saying they are aimed at teenage boys.)

Loaded is the sorriest case, because as a few posts had rightly noted, in its early days it was a bloody good magazine. There was some absolutely cracking pieces in the early years of Loaded, and people forget that it was one of the few mags in the boom which followed its birth to put people it found interesting, such as Vic and Bob, Harry Hill or Gary Oldman, on its covers, rather than just naked birds.

It was also, I'd argue, one of the major players in the boom of British culture in the mid-90s; on the Live Forever documentary, James Brown was talking about turning to Alan McGee at Knebworth and saying something along the lines of 'we were the outsiders; now we're the establishment.'

He meant it in a celebratory way, but of course, that was when everything started going wrong, the cheap buck was gone after, and the mens' magazine market sank under a sea of tits and ass.

Nowadays, I will usually not bother picking up Loaded at all; I don't buy FHM becasue I think the magazine is absolutely disgusting, both in its attitude to women and because of its arrogance; if I feel the need to buy Front, ICE or any of their ilk, I'll usually just be honest and buy porn instead; occasionally I'll pick up GQ or Esquire, sometimes if there's a bylined article on the front from a writer I like; and, on rare occasions, I might buy Bizarre, which is kind of like a lads mag/ Fortean Times genetic experiment gone horribly wrong.

With regard to dance music magazines; I have endured loads of stick in work for buying Jockey Slut, which is actually a pretty good, interesting and balanced dance mag with a decent free CD, but happens to sound like it is full of horse porn...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:38 / 05.10.03
I tried reading DETAILS when they restarted it a couple of years ago, but it was so empty that I felt like I'd been reading someone's hard drive. Someone who couldn't write very well.

I still read GQ for the occasional Ellroy writing and the celebrity profiles are predictible in a easily parodied way. Out of all the US Lad Mags, STUFF is the one I like, since the editor has a quite twisted sense of humor. THere are strange no-sequetors on each page, and many fo the things they do probably just confuse the guys who buy it to see "generic young starlet in bra and panties".
 
 
mondo a-go-go
19:55 / 05.10.03
"One of the things I really hate about these magazines is the tone of shared beliefs - the assumption that you must want to aspire to being a successful businessman, living in a studio loft in London's Trendy wherever and able to invest in the latest hip gadget"

That's why I despise Time Out as well. It really offends me that the only decent, extensive listings publication London had has become a lifestyle magazine that costs almost the same price weekly as most other lifestyle magazines do monthly.
 
  

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