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Sax
06:12 / 02.10.03
Having always been a sucker for a nice thick glossy magazine full of ads for posh clothes and expensive cologne, I suddenly find myself at a bit of a loss as to which magazine suits my lifestyle at the moment.

Loaded, while having a lot of merit in the James Brown days when it helped to kick off the whole modern lad's mag phenomenon, is just too laddish for me these days, with none of its original charm and wit.

Similarly, FHM seems to be just fast cars and masturbatory material for Squaddies.

GQ I pick up occasionally, but I'm a bit tired of it.

The Face - and I know it isn't strictly a men's mag - I used to love, but now I just feel too out of the loop to enjoy. In a similar vein, I'm too old for i-D, and mags like Sleazenation and Dazed & Confused just seem to be triumphs of style over content with not enough actual reading matter in there to persuade me to part with my money.

Word, the new music/books magazine, I've picked up sporadically - notably the Morrissey issue - but it never really lived up to its promise for me.

Front I've never bought, as it seems to be just pictures of topless model Katie Richmond in boxing gear.

I did like Jack for a long time, the new digest-sized mag from James Brown, but he sold it on and it went a bit flat.

Oh, and a tip: if any male of your acquaintance has recently become a dad, on no account by him Father's Quarterly, or FQ as it calls itself in a copyright-busting stylee. It was absolutely dreadful.

So my glossy du jour at the moment is Esquire. Wearable fashion, decent articles, some fiction, good journalism, and no cheesecake. Well, not much, and it's tasteful.

Anyone else?
 
 
Ganesh
07:10 / 02.10.03
I know what you mean. Having always slightly disgusted myself by regularly buying those 'gentlemens' periodicals' I too am finding them generally unsatisfying at the moment. Since I largely bought them for the fashion pages (and am frequently confused by the apparent penchant for multiple covers), I've resorted to flicking through them in W.H. Smiths before venturing a purchase - but in recent months several (notably 'FHM') have taken to sealing the magazine itself in plastic, thus foiling my perusal.

Never really liked 'Loaded' ('What To Wear For Your Court Appearance') but continued to pick up 'FHM' for their fashiony stuff, and for the best captions around. Way too overtly tits & ass now, to the extent that I feel uncomfortably closeted buying the damn thing.

'GQ' and 'Esquire' I'll only occasionally buy, usually for train or Tube journeys. I find it simultaneously ridiculous and strangely wonderful that whole multi-page articles can be squeezed from the absolute esoterica of the male wardrobe (subsets of cufflinks and the like) and the 'style advice' pages are a laugh (but not as funny as in the American Psychoesque US versions).

'Arena' I quite like, although it's starting to solicit the 'FHM' market, I think, and I'm increasingly flipping through pages and pages of puff pieces of Rebecca Romijn-Stamos's arse (or whatever) to get at the Wardrobe-Building stuff, which I geekily lap up.

I'll happily buy the quarterly 'Homme Plus' versions of all of these. In fact, I even checked out the style supplement of 'Maxim' the other day, a title I'd normally avoid like the gym...

'Jack' never really pushed my buttons, although I liked the weeny, pocket-friendly size.

With you on 'The Face', 'Dazed & Confused', etc. Feel slightly paedophilic - or pederastic, at least - buying those. Very occasionally check out 'The Face' for the gadgety pages, and because I like the design.

'Word', yes, the Morrissey issue only. 'Q' makes me feel overly muso. 'NME' brings a wash of nostalgia tinged with senescence anxiety that I haven't heard of half the bands.

'Course, being a woolly woofter, there're a number of gay equivalents, but they're hardly shining beacons of journalism either. 'Gay Times' keeps trying to reinvent itself with Sex issues (never a good sign) but remains worthy and somewhat dull. 'Attitude' used to be excellent but has gone off the boil a bit fashion-wise (or perhaps I'm just too old for contemporary London queen style) but has good articles from time to time (excellent one this month, on fetishism). The newer ones, like 'ReFresh' are a little too glossy, with too much advertising and too little content.

The free gay weeklies can occasionally surprise ('Boyz' isn't always as lightweight as it looks). I read those regularly.

So, uh, that's me.
 
 
The Strobe
07:20 / 02.10.03
I regularly read Word, and am about to subscribe, just because, well, it fits me. Of the 'usual' men's mags, I guess GQ and Esquire are probably about the best I've read; never really liked Loaded ever, didn't really get on with FHM (mainly because of its tendency for "Eugh! Gnarly injury pages!!!", think I have one copy of Men's Health (don't ask). Jack never lived up to any of its little promise, and the only thing going for it is the format. Front just looks rubbish. Arena, I must admit, I've never read, and might dive into at one point. Sleazenation/Dazed and Confused and, to a lesser extent, The Face, don't quite do it for me.

Word mainly fulfils me because of its wide-reaching cultrual outlook, and the kind of stuff it likes, and especially because it does nice huge features - it doesn't skimp on content. Most of my music info I get from broadsheet weekend reviews - Sunday Times Culture being a huge hit with me - simply because I can't get into any of the magazines at all. The NME just pisses me off, Q's a bit dull though I kind of like it, Uncut is stuck in 1965-75, Mojo's shite, almost all the dance mags are utter rubbish, and then there's The Wire, which you get 5 points to Gryffindor for if you've ever heard of anybody in it. Interesting, but obscure beyond belief (even for me. I know about two acts at most in each issue).
 
 
Sax
07:23 / 02.10.03
Yes, forgot about Arena, largely because I haven't bought it for a good long time and it always seemed a bit anaemic anyway.

Oh, and I once bought Attitude many years ago and had no idea it was meant to be a gay-orientated magazine until I started to get suspicious at the small ads. Which says a lot about either my youthful innocence or the quality of the magazine.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:21 / 02.10.03
I don't usually bother, although it's not unheard-of for me to get quite excitable about the FHM and Esquire fashion supplements. That said, I sort of feel that I know Ted Baker is going to be making something I want and can't afford...

Just read this Esquire article and my interest in the body of the magazine is revived.

Oh, and then there are those odd moments - like when Sky Magazine had the last western journalist in Grozny, or Loaded had Sebastian Junger writing about Afghanistan. And then I buy whatever it is and read it, and cannot for the life of me understand what the editor thought they were doing -page eight: Louise coyly covers her assets! Page 12: Robert Fisk talks to Iraqis about their torture experiences!... Um...
 
 
Whisky Priestess
09:22 / 02.10.03
How about The Chap?
 
 
Ganesh
09:29 / 02.10.03
A little laboured but interesting.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:54 / 02.10.03
I liked Dazed and Confused until I read a Hilary Swank article in the April 2000 issue that described her as able to drive like a man. Obviously no woman can drive as well as a man who is naturally inclined to such a thing. Hmm, yes. And women can't possibly be brainy enough to pay attention to gear shifts and road surfaces at all. Whtevr.
 
 
Ganesh
09:58 / 02.10.03
Don't venture near 'GQ', then, Anna; it's full of that stuff, usually penned by Tony Parsons wannabes...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:10 / 02.10.03
Yeah, Dazed and Confused has lost its way. I liked the Idler for a while, but like The Chap, I find it a bit one-note.
 
 
Bill Posters
10:42 / 02.10.03
I can't stand any of the sr8 men's mags. I read Attitude not so long ago and quite liked it. I am such a stray.
 
 
rizla mission
11:01 / 02.10.03
I hate all these publications.. horrible, horrible, evil crap right from the concept behind their very existence and the nebulous assumptions on which they are based right down to the smallest detail of their presentation. My Enemy in pretty much every single respect.

Sorry 'bout that, but it has to be said.

Most of my music info I get from broadsheet weekend reviews - Sunday Times Culture being a huge hit with me - simply because I can't get into any of the magazines at all. The NME just pisses me off, Q's a bit dull though I kind of like it, Uncut is stuck in 1965-75, Mojo's shite, almost all the dance mags are utter rubbish, and then there's The Wire,

I know I plug them so much it must seem like I work for them, but nevertheless, this sounds like a case for..
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:09 / 02.10.03
I hate all these publications.. horrible, horrible, evil crap right from the concept behind their very existence and the nebulous assumptions on which they are based right down to the smallest detail of their presentation.

Doctor Rizla speaks the truth.
 
 
Ganesh
11:10 / 02.10.03
But you like the scratch & sniff pages, yeah?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:12 / 02.10.03
That said, I sort of feel that I know Ted Baker is going to be making something I want and can't afford...

Must be going mad. I read that as "Tom Baker is going to be making something I want"...
 
 
illmatic
11:18 / 02.10.03
That link doesn't work, Riz. I don't like those mags either, myself, though I was a fan of i-D and The Face back in the day. I used to like the leftfield angle they had on cultural stuff - lots of interesting articles on the emerging rave culture and the like, the odd bit of quality cultural analysis here and there - mags like FHM never seemed to aspire to this. If I had more disposable, I might be inclined to check them out for the fashion - but I'm so not bothered/not interested in random half undressed glamour models. Just doesn't float my boat.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
11:37 / 02.10.03
You mean aside from Barbelith?
 
 
Bill Posters
11:49 / 02.10.03
Riz[,] I don't like those mags either, myself,

'kay, that's 3 of us and that's enough. We'll just have to start an alternative men's magazine, aimed at queer and queterosexual boys such as our good selves. No car ads, no aftershave ads, no mainstream fashion features, just lots of stuff for the discerning countercultural gent. We will pioneer an alternative masculinty which will in its turn become oppresive and stiffling but by then we'll all be rich and shan't care.
 
 
Ganesh
11:51 / 02.10.03
Nothing beats a good chunk of stiffling masculinty...
 
 
Sax
12:00 / 02.10.03
Don't queer and queterosexual boys use aftershave, wear clothes or drive cars, then? What, none of them?
 
 
Ganesh
12:01 / 02.10.03
Nope. Naked mingers on foot, that's us.
 
 
illmatic
12:07 / 02.10.03
Bill - yes indeedy. Kind of like the whole "lad" thing but not quite so .. so... crass. As a mate of mine said "I'm a bit of a reader, and I'm a bit of a geezer. A cross between Loaded, Wired and the Fortean Times, perhaps. With comics.

How does this new mag stand on the inclusion of saucy pictures? Do you think we could get the girls from the Barbelith Women's Instiute to pose for us?
 
 
Bill Posters
12:25 / 02.10.03
well, they're apparently prepared to pose for charity, and I count myself as a charity, so by that line of reasoning I guess that'll be a yes. (We might have to ahve boys posing too, just to keep things balanced, but I'm sure that can be arranged.)

Don't queer and queterosexual boys use aftershave, wear clothes or drive cars, then? What, none of them?

well, in London I wouldn't dream of driving a car, and I can't afford aftyshave. I do wear clothes, but absolutely not of the fashionable variety. We can have a Pin's Nailcare Tips section, and articles on the best Army Surplus stores and stuff like that, but posing ponces in suits or Lacoste boxers is kinda what I was hoping to avoid.

D'ya think we should include a magick section?
 
 
Sax
12:33 / 02.10.03
I hope this magazine isn't going to be London-fucking-centric like the rest of them, then.
 
 
Ganesh
12:37 / 02.10.03
In honour of its founding, ah, member, I reckon y'all should call it 'Spunk'.
 
 
Sax
12:43 / 02.10.03
"Subscribe to Spunk now - save £1.34 off the newsstand price and enjoy the postman emptying his sack on to your welcome mat every single month".
 
 
illmatic
12:51 / 02.10.03
Sax to address you concerns: "Bill's Spunk covers the whole of the UK".

This could go on and on...
 
 
Ganesh
12:52 / 02.10.03
"The seminal read for men."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:59 / 02.10.03
Slightly off-topic, but Word has to be the most boring publication I've ever seen. No offence to Paleface, but it looks to be aimed primarily at people who find Q too... what, rock'n'roll? Shiny and ephemeral? They had a good Luke Haines feature a while back, but that doesn't excuse having Dido on the cover. What would?

Men's magazines... I find it weird that anyone would think that Loaded's influence on the market was a good thing. Achieving commerical success can arguably be seen as admirable. Affecting the direction of a particular medium/genre/corner of culture irrevocably takes some doing, but still - I think the influence has ultimately been a bad one. The men's magazine market has been effectively split into two - the side that deals with titilation (and guys, even if you can't summon up the nerve to buy real porn, surely the Sport is cheaper, and filthier to boot?), and the side that deals with aftershave, polo necks, and cars (which bores me to tears and much of which I find aesthetically revolting). Much as I hate the frequency with which the term "dumbing down" is thrown around, I can't help thinking that without Loaded's influence, we wouldn't have the sub-genre that includes Front and Ice, the men's magazines for people who find FHM/Loaded/Maxim too rampantly feminist intellectual, left-wing and politically correct...

While the likes of Dazed and The Face may get flak for being "trendy", the simple fact is that their contents are far more likely to appeal to me than any other magazine. Mind you, the only time I paid money for either in the last 12 months or more was when I had something published in one... At the end of the day, I'm looking for intelligent dissection of pop culture, and the best place to get that is the internet.
 
 
Sax
14:03 / 02.10.03
I agree about Loaded's contribution to the market - it was notable in that it shaped the genre, if not exactly admirable, although the earlier issues did have a higher ratio of decent journalism to tit'n'claw photoshoots than it is now.

I like Esquire because it has some decent political journalism in it. And I know you can get most of it on the Internet, but I'm afraid I just like seeing pictures of the new Paul Smith suit on glossy paper.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:10 / 02.10.03
"Cumming soon"?

sorry.

Wading through the juices to say that Attitude can be quite good.

And that there was a mag which I got for a couple of months(bout 2 years ago, i think), the name of which bloody escapes me, which I really liked, which I only gradually realised was a men's mag. and was something like a forerunner to spunk...

culture/fashion/great photography. had a great Jarvis Cocker cover, all blues/oranges.

this is useful isn't it?
 
 
adamswish
14:48 / 02.10.03
good to see so many unabashed magazine junkies finding a support group of their own.

"Hello, my name is Adam and I buy far to many magazines"

In my time I think I've pretty much read them all, but keep very few.

I must admit I loved Loaded in the Brown/Southwell/Deeson early years, and even after they went their seperate ways (okay Brown and Deeson went on to re-write GQ) I still brought it. In fact I have every issue since December 1994 and have seen it turn from a pioneering use of gonzo journalism, with a smattering of female flesh, to obscure porn.

I make no apology for buying two issues in it's hay day, double bagging one (to quote the old phrase from Speakeasy) and culling quotes or full articles from the other.

FHM I buy, but never keep. To me it has always fallen into either a "how-to-do" manual or a fifth rate playboy clone of the 1960's. Semi-famous women in little or no clothing who you should know of, but don't and really don't care.

Maxim, Esquire and to an exstent GQ are all in a simiular field, and Arena is rapidly entering.

Front is plain filth, and not in the fun way.

Thank you Whiskey for proclaiming the virtues of The Chap. A marvellous tome, and such joy to purchase an item from Boarders Bookstore with no barcode on and send the staff into a worried frenzy.

I agree with you all who said Jack was excellent. It was, still is to an excent. But I am worried that this months will be a "normal" size (as stated in the last issue) and lose all that made it special and stand out from the groaning shelves of the local newsagent.

Ganesh, I understand your feelings when buying The Face. I used to feel the same when I picked up the now defunct Sky Magazine. And that was when I was only a few months outside their audience target age.

Can any of our American friends tell me if Details is still going and if so what state it's currently in? Used to always purchase and read it on the long journey from univeristy to home.
 
 
bitchiekittie
15:15 / 02.10.03
gentleman's relish sounds dirty

until you start thinking about it. relish is chunky, innit? and green. then it's just disgusting
 
 
adamswish
15:18 / 02.10.03
and I nearly forgot. The strangest, and oddly enough one of my favourite magazines was Eat Soup.

A cullinary (and apologies to english students if I've mis-spelt) off shot of Loaded, back when cooking was the new rock and roll. Only eight issues published (which I have) and pre-dates Jamie Oliver too.

And of course THE magazine of the last two decades has to be the much missed Deadline.
 
 
Ganesh
16:02 / 02.10.03
gentleman's relish sounds dirty

You may be confusing it with Pearly Man-Mustard...
 
  

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