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No Kiss-Kiss Bears for you, queer granny!

 
  

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Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
07:57 / 28.02.02
Nick, you are so right.

Let's do it. Let's make a Mordant Carnival world.

NOW!

Quick, to Hallmark with lots of kiss-kisss bear sized PVC hot pants!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:02 / 28.02.02
quote:Originally posted by H:
So you wouldn't be able to look at Essex Christian Societies, Sussex Society for Being as Pleasant as Possible to Everybody or the Wessex Affiliation for Enjoying Only the Non-Controversial Texts of Thomas Hardy?


Can you get to the Scunthorpe County Council pages, I wonder?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
12:07 / 28.02.02
Oooh sly, wish I was smart enough to come up that one.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:20 / 28.02.02
quote:Originally posted by The Haus Red:
Quick, to Hallmark with lots of kiss-kisss bear sized PVC hot pants!


With magnets sewn into the crotch.
 
 
w1rebaby
19:09 / 28.02.02
i'd like to say that this must be the funniest fucking thing I've seen all week
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
07:12 / 01.03.02
Who's joking?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:29 / 01.03.02
Mmm, the whole 'funny'/'no, not funny at all, horrifying' mix is pretty slanted towards the latter really...

I'm interested in something that was written elsewhere by someone about this (well, by Rosa actually, sure she won't mind me throwing this in here, it's just a stronger version of what she says above):

quote:I can't decide if I am horrified at Hallmark's homophobia or just plain contemptuous of the 'we consume therefore we're important' expectation that those who have the power to sell should not also have the power to dictate moral values.

Certainly seems to have a point to me, and articulates a vague unease I feel about the simplicity of a response that relies on our rights as *customers*.

(And hey, Nick, at least my plan has ambition...)
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:53 / 01.03.02
It has spanking ambition.

It will spank the world.

But after spanking, there has to be Eros. Otherwise it's sterile. And there's nothing more disheartening than a sterile spanking.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:53 / 01.03.02
I guess boycotting Hallmark would be kind of like "giving up cutting my limbs off for Lent"...
That sucks (as well as being very stupid and completely WRONG). Magnet reversal commandos ten-HUT!
 
 
Persephone
18:56 / 01.03.02
<slightly hysterical>

I'm sorry, I'm a total shondah to the revolution...

First of all, I'm scrupulous about not stealing normally. I've only ever stolen, like, legal pads from the office... well once I did take a really nice packing tape gun; but I only meant to borrow it --I was temping and I was moving-- but they let me go three days early & I still had the gun at home.

I went to go steal the kiss kiss bears from Hallmark.

It seems there's only one Hallmark store in the city & anytime I get into a car by myself it's a comedy; I have an unerring sense of misdirection. So I was driving in circles for about an hour before I finally found the store.

But still calm, since that's basically normal for me.

Did I mention that I'm dressed all *in black* like a commando? And I have my old backpack not my new one that I got for my laptop, the better to fit bears in. And I have my little letter-opener in my coat pocket, in case I have to snip off any inventory control tags.

I walk around the store. I note the one security camera, which is unfortunately pointed in the general direction of the kiss-kiss bears. But no matter, there's a back corner completely hidden from the front window, the security camera, and the cashier's counter.

I waste too much time and look too many times at the security camera.

Finally I grab up four bears and duck around the corner. I pretend to look at cards, even though no one's watching me. The bears are in a heap on the floor next to me. They're a lot bigger than I imagined. I massage them, feeling for inventory control devices--none apparent, but I am afraid. I unzip my backpack slowly, and it's SO LOUD, I never knew that a zipper could be SO LOUD... and I shove one boy bear in my backpack and then shove in the other boy bear and the two girl bears.

My backpack is BULGING. My heart is going like The Telltale Heart.

Then I think about Winona Ryder.

I lose my nerve. Rip open the zipper, unpack bears... and then go put them nicely back on their shelf.

Definitely cannot manipulate the magnets from outside, surgical alteration required.

Clothes are not removable from bears, which is philosophically interesting as girl bear's dress is integrally part of her body, same for boy bear's coveralls.

<faints>
 
 
mr insensitive
20:49 / 01.03.02
I knew you people slept with cuddly toys....
 
 
alas
11:53 / 02.03.02
wwfd?

(trans: what would the furries do?)
 
 
Ganesh
12:04 / 02.03.02
Can the magnets be moved to other parts of the bears? Fuck-Fuck, Sixty-Nine or Eat-Meat Bears might be nice...
 
 
Trijhaos
12:48 / 02.03.02
Do any of you own any kiss-kiss bears? You can't move the magnets around without opening the bear up.

The magnet is around half the size of the bear's snout and seems to be stuck in that position.

To get the magnet out would require cutting the seqms of the bears snout using either a knife or seam ripper. One would then have to sew the snout's seam back up, cut one of the seams where you want the magnet to be placed and sew that place back up.

You can't reverse the magnets just by pulling and prodding, it just won't work.

You'd all just be better off buying some magnets, a couple of cheap teddy bears from a craft shop or something and making your own line of deviant kiss-kiss bears.

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: Trijhaos ]
 
 
Tom Coates
15:34 / 02.03.02
But this is actually the problem isn't it - that sexuality can actually be compared with MAGNETIC ATTRACTION! There's one negative pole and one positive pole and they're naturally pulled towards one another. What are you doing if you make a parallel line of bears for gay people? Interestingly you couldn't do that, since all the bears of the same sex would have to have some negative and some negative pointing magnets in them - meaning that only some would be 'compatible' with each other, while others would immediately repulse.

Seems to me that this whole thing is based around a rather worrying metaphor which sees sexual attraction as something as natural and potent and as polarised as magnetism... That's got to be bad...
 
 
Captain Zoom
16:34 / 02.03.02
Originally posted by Mordant Carnival:

quote: Well hey, I've got the sewing machine if you've got the retail outlet

I have one. Let's do it.

And I've sewed a teddy bear before, so I'm into making the alterations.

Zoom.
 
 
Persephone
16:40 / 02.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Tom Coates:
What are you doing if you make a parallel line of bears for gay people? Interestingly you couldn't do that, since all the bears of the same sex would have to have some negative and some negative pointing magnets in them - meaning that only some would be 'compatible' with each other, while others would immediately repulse.


I actually thought of that... and what I came up with is, well that's just like real life. Not all gay people attract, nor all hetero people. Ideally you *don't* want a parallel line of gay bears, you would want big ol' pile of bears --and it's interesting, the girl and boy bears are also different fur colors apart from their clothing; so you could have a girl bear in boy's clothing, e.g.-- and have the magnets randomly set. Then in the store you would just have to test the bears until you happen upon the combination that you want to buy. Gay, straight, tranny... it doesn't matter, now it's just the mystery of attraction. Obviously this is not practical from the viewpoint of a greeting card company looking to make an efficient profit...

quote:Seems to me that this whole thing is based around a rather worrying metaphor which sees sexual attraction as something as natural and potent and as polarised as magnetism...

Well yeah, that's exactly what Hallmark's done here. Their bears reinforce the meme of a world where girls in dresses are reliably attracted to boys in coveralls.

What needs be *done* is put some uncertainty into that equation. Genderfuck, anyone? And how? I'm just sorry I'm such a chicken.

[ 02-03-2002: Message edited by: Persephone ]
 
 
Captain Zoom
17:14 / 02.03.02
You got futher along than I would have Persephone.

And kudos for actually going out an attempting a revolution. Definitely a situation where it's the thought that counts. As in all revolutions I suppose.

Next time I'm at the mall and I go into Hallmark I'm going to see what I can do.

Zoom.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
02:02 / 03.03.02
regarding toms point above:, i draw your attention to the joy of electromagnetism! A coil, a small switch, a battery and some means of reversing the polarity of the magnet by means of said switch, and you have a troop of bi-bears. Of course, as metaphors for sexuality go, this probably isn't much of an improvement, but, I guess it's a start...
Of course, a better *approximation* would be a bear with a sophisticated enough internal mechanism to measure the magnetic charge of all surounding bears, including the other bear it's supposed to be getting it on with, and set its magnetic field accordingly....you could have some kind of signal built into to identify the promiscuity level of its little friend- possibly judged by the strength of the magnet- and if the magnets too powerful or if it's a 69 bear rather than a kiss-kiss bear, it could trigger a speech synthesis module going 'NO! I'm not a cheap little tart! get your filthy paws off me!'
Sexually repressed cuddly toys...I need to get to sleep...this is going to keep me awake all night now, designing cuddly toys with increasingly accurate sexual desires....you could have a timer mechanism to judge how long they've been 'dating' for...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:40 / 03.03.02
'Kay, magnets out, velcro in.
 
 
The Monkey
22:02 / 03.03.02
Bravo Persephone. Very well put. Sadly, I've run out of pomengranites. Have a sandwich instead...it's tuna.

"Genderfuck Bears" almost sounds like a product name to me...

While on many levels it's far too technically elaborate to stuff in a teddy bear, aren't their toys that are set up to respond to a low-energy radio wave emitted by another device...they recently started showing adds for this game system-Pokemon-type thing, where proximity causes the two seperate game boxes to "battle" one another [automatically].
So imagine, instead, a random-number generator that generates "attraction" or "apathy" on the basis of the interaction of the carrier waves. It's like "virtual pets" for grown-ups.
 
 
alas
12:16 / 05.03.02
just please lose the coveralls already!

oh, and well done persephone--great story!!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:07 / 05.03.02
BTW: Persephone, that was an insanely silly but very very cool thing you almost did. You have now gained entry to the Bad Girl's Bathroom and may have a lend of my black nail varnish, should you choose to do so.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
12:03 / 06.03.02
i do remember a bunch of american dyke activists somehow managing to do an in-store swop of the 'voiceboxes' of g.i. joes and barbie dolls. i often wonder who bought them.....
 
 
Shortfatdyke
12:07 / 06.03.02
double post deleted.

[ 06-03-2002: Message edited by: shortfatdyke ]
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:32 / 06.03.02
quote:Originally posted by shortfatdyke:
i do remember a bunch of american dyke activists somehow managing to do an in-store swop of the 'voiceboxes' of g.i. joes and barbie dolls.


They should have come round ours when I was a nipper. The number of times Action Man ended up in Sindy's tutu, wearing felt-tip-pen lippy- Hallmark'd have a fit. I remember being horribly dissapointed that you couldn't do Action Man's fatigues up over Sindy's egregious bosom.
 
 
Saint Keggers
02:57 / 07.03.02
This reminds me of the time my brother(10) twisted up two Stretch Armstrong toys and when my mother asked what he was doing..He replied: "Stretch has gone over to the other side mom. Its the Karma Sutra". My mother aged 5 years right then.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
13:23 / 07.03.02
quote:Originally posted by Mordant C@rnival:
BTW: Persephone, that was an insanely silly but very very cool thing you almost did. You have now gained entry to the Bad Girl's Bathroom and may have a lend of my black nail varnish, should you choose to do so.


Oooh! Can I have a lend too? Spooky don't have no black NV. I've been a very Bad Girl. Bloody awful, in fact. Well, I guess it depends which of my friends you talk to, but still...

<makes pouty expression>
 
 
Persephone
17:54 / 11.03.02
Okay folks... I emailed the Advocate to get in touch with kiss kiss granny, and she wrote me back and

a) she wants a t-shirt, and
b) she's coming over to read this thread.

Welcome, Grammy! Please excuse our language and our slightly criminal tendencies, we're really a quite nice sort of people...

[ 11-03-2002: Message edited by: Persephone ]
 
 
grant
19:19 / 11.03.02
Dear Persephone:

You are cool.

Love,

grant
 
 
Kiss Kiss Granny
09:12 / 13.03.02
Hi All,

This is Kiss Kiss Granny.

I'm flattered to have become a thread here.

Thanks,
Granny Rus
 
 
Ganesh
09:16 / 13.03.02
Hooray! I and my own Kiss-Kiss Bear, the lovely ZoCher salute you, Granny. You're cool as fuck (in a nice way).
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:20 / 13.03.02
WooHOO! We got Granny Rus in the house!

(Hey, this isn't one of those fake celeb things is it? 'Cause I'm still smarting over that Billy Corgan business.)
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
09:20 / 13.03.02
Greetings, Granny. Power to your elbow.
 
 
Tom Coates
09:20 / 13.03.02
I got persephone to ask the woman in question to send me her e-mail address so I could make her a member. So I guess it depends on how much you trust Persephone!
 
  

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