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Filth #13

 
  

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Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:33 / 22.09.03
As above, so below, yes Mr Morrison, I GET IT. By the way, as I've wasted approximately £20 of my money on this crap and you couldn't be bothered to give us a decent ending (though what you did give us more or less is the same quality as everything else) perhaps you'll do me the favour of buying me the new UNKLE album to make up for it? The flash box set with DVD thanks, you'll still come out a few quid left.

Sorry, but I have to go with the 'self-indulgent and not in a good way' vote. You could remove the 'going into comics' elements and it wouldn't make one damn bit of difference to the story. What about whatever it was that Max did to Spector's head? What was Sharon trying to do at Greg's Filth flat last issue? What DID happen to Tony? Why was Greg freaked that Filth officers were parapersonas? Why did the Filth repeatedly let Greg go, despite the fact he was a threat to Status Q? What about NoxinNoxin and Man Yellow/Green? With the dope in Dmitri's pocket turning people into Dmitri, was he planning his own rebellion against Status Q?

A vast, vast disappointment.
 
 
Warewullf
17:05 / 22.09.03
All good points, Lady.

Y'know, I keep thinking about this and I'm just not sure about it. On the one hand, there were some cool ideas and moments in this series but on the other it was disjointed and unfocused and just didn't hang together very well.

I think I just want to like it because it's Morrison.

And I really have no idea what that last issue was about.
 
 
eric minutes
18:08 / 22.09.03
Great series all the way!! It was what you would expect from Morrison but different you know?? Upon re-reading I noticed that the SCORPION GUN got around!!! I think this the the end of an era for Morrison...from what I've read in recent interviews with all his new stuff....he's going into a whole to phase/direction...in a way...it's kind of a fitting ending for these ideas...The Fith 13 issues...be there!
 
 
FinderWolf
18:53 / 22.09.03
I know what you mean, Warewulf and Lady - I fall into the '3/4 loving it 1/4 wondering where half the story points went' camp. I think it's more about the ideas and symbols and themes than plot, though, for this series, so that's why I enjoy it more than I don't.

And what was the deal with the cloned Tonys being led to see the hand that feeds them as a big ugly rat? (if I read that right?)
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:46 / 22.09.03
Simplified indoctrination into obeying the 'Greg' figure. I wonder if 'Tony' was always doomed to die.
 
 
hypersimulation
20:18 / 22.09.03
Will someone PLEASE explain 'Sudsy Vorba' to me? Does that mean something?
 
 
hashmal
23:27 / 22.09.03
re-reading the series reminded me of something i read from david cronenberg once, something about humanity being so unintegrated that we haven't developed an aesthetic for the insides of our bodies. i certainly think of the filth as a novel step in that direction.
gotta love those numerous double entendres as well... 'the hand never lets go'
 
 
Baz Auckland
01:25 / 23.09.03
The first time through, I thought the evolved I-Life had eyes on their shirts, instead of their bodies... I just realised that there's one figure for each eye, and the woman has a brain on her shirt, apparently commanding Greg's bio-ship...
 
 
FinderWolf
14:06 / 23.09.03
I thought the Tony conditioning thing was that the cloned Tonys were being taught to see the hand that feeds them (i.e. Greg, I guess) as a horrible, big, ugly rat - like they were being taught to hate the hand (and person) that feeds them.
 
 
Eskay Doss
14:28 / 23.09.03
No! Tony's being taught to LOVE the hand that feeds it! Cat's LIKE mice, remember? It's most people that think they're big, horrible, ugly critters. Mouse=Food=Greg's hand=Love (or at least full bellied-satisfaction).
 
 
Bastard Shit Man
14:50 / 23.09.03
"It wasn't luck... it was I-Life." What's Feely talking about here?

What's up with the bee hive in the baby basket?

What was Sharon trying to do at Greg's Filth flat last issue? What DID happen to Tony?

Will someone PLEASE explain 'Sudsy Vorba' to me? Does that mean something?


The strange adverts, along with the woman pushing the bee-hive in the buggy, are initial symptoms of the new world that the I-Life are creating.

The I-Life escaped the Hand crack-down in issue two through Bio-ship Sharon Jones; Greg also saved a few, and kept them in his fish-bowl. The I-Life have some way of tracking other I-Life, and Sharon Jones followed the signal to Greg Feely’s house, and the fishbowl inside. She “infected” dead Tony with the I-Life, resurrecting him.

She may also have passed the I-Life on into Greg’s system at this point – or he may have already been infected by the ones in his fishbowl.

Greg sends Sharon and Tony off to his James Bond bachelor pad for safety while he’s confronting the Hand.

Unfortunately, this proves useless. Spartacus Hughes attacks them both in the flat. When Greg arrives there, Bio-ship Sharon Jones has “crashed” and there’s no sign of Tony, just a pool of blood around his mangled travel-box. Hughes taunts Greg that he’s sold Tony to “evil vivisectionists” – but this is a lie, told just to make Greg feel bad. In fact, Tony has escaped.

Greg attempts to kill himself in issue 12. Now, either the I-Life are in his system at this point, and they prevent his death; or he *does* die, and the I-life in his system *resurrect* him; or there’s no I-life in his body yet, but the police are infected, and the I-life direct them to Greg’s place in time; or there *are* I-life in his body *and* in the police, and maybe emergency signals from the I-life in Greg are received by the I-life in the police, who are then directed to rescue Greg.

Or there are no I-life, and this is all the fantasy of a sick man.

Take your pick; or make up your own story.

In issue thirteen, the I-Life have infected even more of the world. Strange signs and logos and products are appearing; women push beehives around like children; bizarre flowers sprout from the garbage left on the streets by a council-workers’ strike. Greg passes the healing little critters on to a sick kid by cutting his own hand and smearing blood on the kid’s face.

Inside Greg, the I-Life – who are evolving into something very like The Hand, at their own scale of existence – direct forces from the I-Life version of The Hand to heal the cut in Greg’s palm. They are also scanning the signal from Tony, and directing Greg towards him.

Final page leaves us with Greg walking down into a subway.

He’s Orpheus, descending into the underworld to rescue his loved one.

He’s Ishtar, going through Hell, losing it all.

“We have love.”

Don’t look back, Greg.
 
 
Bastard Shit Man
14:54 / 23.09.03
And if we're taking votes: I fucking *loved* this shit.
 
 
Bastard Shit Man
15:11 / 23.09.03
HAND ALERT! HAND ALERT! STATUS: V EMERGENCY! MOBILIZE TO HOTZONE!

This is from an article in the Irish edition of the Sunday Times, 21/9/03:

“DANGERRR – YOUR PET CAT COULD ALTER YOUR PERSONALITY

“They may look like lovable pets but…domestic cats are being blamed by scientists for infecting up to half the population with a parasite that can alter people’s personalities.

“The startling figures emerge from studies into toxoplasma gondii, a parasite carried by almost all the country’s feline population.

“They show that half of humans carry the parasite in their brains and that infected people may undergo slow but crucial changes in their behaviour. Infected men, suggests one new study, tend to become more aggressive, scruffy, antisocial and are less attractive.

“…The findings have angered Ireland’s cat lovers, who have dismissed the study as anti-feline propaganda…

“…Lindy Vaughan, a lecturer in veterinary medicine at University College Dublin, said once you are infected with the parasite you carry it for life. ‘I don’t know if it really can alter personalities but it can cause cogenital birth defects in unborn babies and even death for mothers,’ said Vaughan, who is researching toxoplasma-induced abortions in Irish sheep.

“The research – conducted at universities in Britain, the Czech Republic and America – was sponsored by the Stanley Research Medical Institute of Maryland, a leading centre for the study of mental illness. The institute has already published research that people infected with the toxoplasma parasite are at greater risk of developing schizophrenia and manic depression.

“The study into more subtle changes in human personality is being carried out by Professor Jaroslav Flegr of Charles University in Prague.

“…Infected men appeared to [become] less well groomed, undesirable loners who were more willing to fight. They tended to be more suspicious and jealous. ‘They tended to dislike following rules,’ said Flegr.

“He also discovered that people infected with toxoplasma had delayed reaction times and are at greater risk of being involved in car accidents. ‘Toxoplasma infection could represent a serious and highly underestimated economic and public health problem,’ he said.

“Toxoplasma moves in a natural cycle between rats and cats. Rats acquire it from contact with cat faeces and cats re-acquire it from hunting infected rats. It has long been known that humans can become infected through close contact with cats.

“…Until now, however, the parasite has always been thought harmless to healthy people because their immune systems could suppress the infection. But this view seems certain to change, especially in the light of research at Oxford University.

“Scientists there have found that when the parasite invades rats it reprograms their brains, reducing their fear of cats. It is this ability to destroy natural inhibitions that is thought to be at work in humans.”

Casts a new light on Greg’s adventures, and his relationship with Tony, doesn’t it?
 
 
FinderWolf
18:07 / 23.09.03
Um, this news article is a joke, right?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:38 / 23.09.03
What was with the cat on the scanner screen on the (IIRC) penultimate page? Is that I-Filth HQ aka Tony?
 
 
Ganesh
18:51 / 23.09.03
You're statistically far more likely to contract toxoplasmosis from eating pork.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
19:00 / 23.09.03
I won't know if I think it's good until I reread the whole thing in a oner, yet -

- it was one of the wierdest things I've ever read, and surely that counts for something?!
 
 
Warewullf
09:35 / 24.09.03
Thank you, Bastard Shit Man. That actually explained a lot.

And now I feel stupid for not figuring it out myself.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:44 / 24.09.03
I did a search for "toxoplasma gondii" and it's real - please tell us if this is a real article or not. Cause at first I thought it was a joke and then I did the search and thought "it might be a real article after all!"
 
 
Professor Silly
15:15 / 24.09.03
I've re-read the series now twice through...and I'm beginning to think that GM designed the series to have multiple interpretive angles. The biggest questions left in my mind:

If Greg was working with Max Thunderstone before being infected with "Ned Slade" then why does he have memory of the Hand suit in his closet? Is the memory of the suit built in to the parapersonality he was just infected with (meaning it wasn't there, he just has the memory of it)?

The scorpion gun does get around--how does it get from Moog Mercury and S.O. back to Greg/Ned? Greg got it from Dmitri-9 in his apartment, then went to the drug store where he meets Mercury and Spector, so Mercury could have gotten it there. But then how does it get back to Greg/Ned for his assault on Mother Dirt?

Anyone know the full text in the last issue--the stuff printed really really small? I got the first part of it: "Don't you wish the readers could make out what...DREADFUL SECRET..." Every time I try and look at it I get a headache. We need someone to scan it and then blow it up really big....

Looking at the final issue again I just noticed that the comb-over is back...what's up with that?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:15 / 24.09.03
His combover magically grew back last issue when they were 'fighting' Spartacus Hughes, both he and wosshername were exposed to the outside, where time goes faster, and their hair grew. Of course, it also grew back so that when he had his heart attack he had no proof to hand that he could use to show his adventures had been real and not the product of a deranged and dying mind.
 
 
Bastard Shit Man
17:36 / 24.09.03
Yup, Lady, that was the Good Ship Tony on the monitor. C’mon, who else would it be?

Nope, Hunterwolf, the article wasn’t a joke. At least, it wasn’t *me* making a joke. I know I was posting tongue-in-cheek bullshit about secret societies on the Valis thread a couple of weeks ago, but this is straight-up. Course, I can’t vouch for the journalist who wrote the thing. But I’m sure a google or two would clear that up. Ganesh seems to know something about it all.

…As explanations of The Filth go, it’s rather neat, isn’t it? Not to mention keeping in the spirit of the comics, what with all that “reprogramming the brain”, “cat faeces”, “parasites,” and so on.

Warewulf, don't feel stupid! Stop it! Stop it now!
 
 
Bastard Shit Man
17:38 / 24.09.03
HunterWolf: Look!
 
 
--
18:14 / 24.09.03
I still don't know why the Hand was formed in 1952.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:19 / 24.09.03
Thanks - just curious. I knew your Valis posts were a joke, but this one I was on the fence about. Eerie! I always knew there was a reason I wasn't into cats and there always seemed like something a little odd about 'cat people'....
 
 
hashmal
22:13 / 24.09.03
sypha-i assumed that 1952 would've been when greg was born. i could be wrong though.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:54 / 25.09.03
Bastard- I know it was Tony, my point was rather why had Grant written in his script as a direction to Chris '... And one of the scanner screens should have a schematic of Tony'?
 
  

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