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Filth #13

 
  

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Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:15 / 17.09.03
Beautiful.

Now, can someone please explain it to me?

Psyche!

No, it's very Final Issue Of Doom Patrol, but a bit sunnier. All that piss and shit and hurt really do have a beautiful purpose. It's all nature.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:47 / 17.09.03
It's out today?? Cool -- looking forward to this.
 
 
Eskay Doss
23:43 / 17.09.03
Hm.

No, I thought it was a big let-down. It surged beautifully with cool characters and concepts for a while but then just faded away like some silent stinky fart. It WAS very end-of-DP! I was hoping for something different.

And is it just me or is The Filth an X-rated version of "the Long Kiss Goodnight" meets "Osmosis Jones"?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
00:29 / 18.09.03
Don't know, haven't seen either of them. I must admit i enjoyed this. I'm going to reread all of the book tonight. I'll have more thoughts later.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:25 / 18.09.03
sudsy vorba!

yes - this works.

it knows it's place all right.

so do I.

I'm in the 'I love it' camp.

thanks gm.

that was brilliant.

I think.
 
 
01
21:32 / 18.09.03
didn't dig this series except for Dimitri 9. While the concept behind it seemed interesting, it seemed like it was trying too hard to be weird just for the sake of it. It made me think that the writer was some fanboy trying desperately to emulate Morrison, and maybe in a weird way Morrison was trying to outdo himself. I think that this story would've been better if it somehow could've been condensed into a four or five part story arc iand incorporated into the Invisibles. The Filth was an after thought or meagre after fart.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:34 / 18.09.03
So is Greg reunited with Tony after all?

("We have love"... picture of Tony in "eye".)

And where's he going on the Tube?

OK, I'm drunk, so I probably just haven't got it at all. I loved it... but the last couple of pages just confused me.
 
 
eric minutes
00:33 / 19.09.03
yeah...i was wondering about Tony too...cool ending....greg says he lost his house and job...where was he off to in that last bit??
 
 
the Fool
03:30 / 19.09.03
Perhaps the subway tunnel at the end represents an exit from negative reality of the qippolithic tree of life. The step into darkness of the void. I'm reminded of the daath issue of promethea where the void is seen as a gateway to the reverse side of the tree.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
06:34 / 19.09.03
Ok, so now its over will someone explain it all for me?
 
 
finger n' thump
07:25 / 19.09.03
We are mud that talks.
That’s it.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
09:19 / 19.09.03
I am sitting here crying that I don't have this yet. I am suffering from fear and trembling that they will be sold out when I get home.

You see, I am staying at my friend's hous one province over from my normal haunts in sunny(snowing this week), hot(again snowing), lively(dead), and exciting(well that might be right) CALGARY. Yes the weather out side 's been frightfull but really the "fire" 's been delightful and company quite insightful so I guess I might want to say that todaaaay the son, burned the clooouds Awaaay!

I have been hanging here with my friend, Brian. We've been Discussing things magickal, discordian and especially
Invisible
.

I kind of feel bad making my friend look like such a comic Nazi, in that thread. That is okay though, because he just said that he would take me to a comic book store to pick up a copy, before he swings around to drive me to the airport.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
15:06 / 19.09.03
We are mud that talks.
That’s it.


I thought we were the dirt on the sole of Grant's shoe?
All this tangental nonsense is great but did The Filth actually have any linear (or near linear) narrative? Is it supposed to be a collection of fucked up ideas or did Grant have more than an old sketchbook in mind when he wrote this?

Is it supposed to make any sense other than the nonsense that it seemed to be.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:05 / 19.09.03
All that piss and shit and hurt really do have a beautiful purpose. It's all nature.

"They say they've got plans to start rewiring soon. You'll soon see a change". And we've got flowers and rain instead of porn and drizzle.

My next mission is to locate wherever the fuck I put issues 1-12 and do the whole thing in one go. That's my Friday night planned. (I'm aware of how sad that is, believe me.)
 
 
pachinko droog
16:24 / 19.09.03
Even though I've gone on the record as having said that The Filth is self-indulgent, I'll add an addendum by saying that self-indulgence isn't *neccessarily* a bad thing. Having read the final issue, it all clicked into place for me in ways I really wasn't expecting.

It seemed to me that the whole point of the series, in the end, was about integrating different levels of existence to achieve a greater whole. In this sense, The Filth really was a magickal exercise in bootstrapping consciousness to accomodate these different levels of reality, though I'm not sure if it was all meant to be synchronous with the spheres on the Tree of Life (or Qlippoth) or not. By bootstrapping, I mean absorbing and refining the information/memes on whatever level one is at and recaptiulating them in more precise ways at higher and higher levels of existence, perhaps analagous to the spiral dynamics model...

There's the comic book level, the I-Life level, the Hand & its environment level, the Greg Feely/Ned Slade level, the "real" world level of the comic book that Feely lives in, the comic book medium itself, and the world of the reader. I think what Morrison was trying to do was take emergence theory and the spiral dynamics concept of the meme and use them as templates for expanding the whole idea of "as above/so below". (Maybe that's what he meant by "Blank Magic" in an interview a while back?)

Also, the end scene of Feely walking into the subway reminded me of Mr. Six and (Tom O' Bedlam) ending up in the subway tunnel in The Invisibles, where the subway tunnels are implied as the gateway to another level of existence and/or initiation (Tunnels of Set?) I think that in the end though, Feely represents a shamanic figure in that he survived an almost ritualistic form of illness as initiation into higher orders of being. He literally "walks between worlds".
 
 
pachinko droog
17:57 / 19.09.03
Also...Blooming flowers as symbols of regeneration: death/rebirth theme consistent with shamanic theme.

Integration of negative and positive to achieve a synthesis. (Hegelian dialectic as a model for wholeness/Jungian individuation?)

Recapitulation in the spiral dynamic model contrasted with shamanism: the lower levels/memes are necessary for growth, the higher levels cannot exist without them. BEIGE is just as important as GREEN, YELLOW & TURQOISE. In Shamanism, the lower worlds are as important as the upper worlds. They form a balance. A synthesis. Wholeness.

(Comparable to the oft-cited immunization theme of injecting a child with household dirt to improve her/his immune system. Exposure to filth as being necessary for growth and development.)

Just my own observations.
 
 
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19:55 / 19.09.03
I'm still trying to figure it all out... is Mother Dirt supposed to be the Primordial slime that all life evolved from (the word Primordial is used in the text, after all, as are words like "ick", "goo", etc.) Whe she says "have you forgotten me" its like how humans tend to forget the origin of life on Earth (ties in with Spector's "mitochondrial DNA" comment back in issue #9).

So, why did Mother Dirt have Feely become an agent for the Hand? The only reason I can think of was that she was trying to get the Hand to evolve to a higher level (not to mention strenghten it) by inoculating herself with not-self material (Feely). Kinda like how GM described the comic as an innoculation of grime that was supposed to help the reader out (hah! I still feel like shit). If that's the case though, why bother having Dmitri and Hughes try to kill Feely? I guess Dmitri could be seen as an example of the old Hand before I-Life, which brings us back to the evolution argument.

What was the point of all the Tony's watching TV though? And I still can't imagine the old Greg Feely as a social activist...

Greg hugging LaPen could be one of the more touching things Morrison's written... reminds me of my attempts to try to love people I should very well hate.

The panel with Feely holding the shit up before Mother Dirt is great... kinda a weird alchemical kinda thing... turning shit into art?

I guess Feely is like a shaman now, now that he's a healer and seems to have access to different levels of existence.

"It wasn't luck... it was I-Life." What's Feely talking about here?

"The Filth... What a load of rubbish".... seems to cho the opinion of some fans...

What's up with the bee hive in the baby basket? And I wish I could read that unreadable writing...

For some reason all the flowers appearing reminds me of Dane moving past the Outer Church into the world of the Invisible college... the healthy universe.

My last really big question is, does the Hand really exist? It seems to in this issue... Yet at the end of last issue it seems as if the Crack came from Greg's overdose? And what really was the purpose of that giant hand? I dunno...
 
 
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19:56 / 19.09.03
I'm still trying to figure it all out... is Mother Dirt supposed to be the Primordial slime that all life evolved from (the word Primordial is used in the text, after all, as are words like "ick", "goo", etc.) Whe she says "have you forgotten me" its like how humans tend to forget the origin of life on Earth (ties in with Spector's "mitochondrial DNA" comment back in issue #9).

So, why did Mother Dirt have Feely become an agent for the Hand? The only reason I can think of was that she was trying to get the Hand to evolve to a higher level (not to mention strenghten it) by inoculating herself with not-self material (Feely). Kinda like how GM described the comic as an innoculation of grime that was supposed to help the reader out (hah! I still feel like shit). If that's the case though, why bother having Dmitri and Hughes try to kill Feely? I guess Dmitri could be seen as an example of the old Hand before I-Life, which brings us back to the evolution argument.

What was the point of all the Tony's watching TV though? And I still can't imagine the old Greg Feely as a social activist...

Greg hugging LaPen could be one of the more touching things Morrison's written... reminds me of my attempts to try to love people I should very well hate.

The panel with Feely holding the shit up before Mother Dirt is great... kinda a weird alchemical kinda thing... turning shit into art?

I guess Feely is like a shaman now, now that he's a healer and seems to have access to different levels of existence.

"It wasn't luck... it was I-Life." What's Feely talking about here?

"The Filth... What a load of rubbish".... seems to cho the opinion of some fans...

What's up with the bee hive in the baby basket? And I wish I could read that unreadable writing...

For some reason all the flowers appearing reminds me of Dane moving past the Outer Church into the world of the Invisible college... the healthy universe.

My last really big question is, does the Hand really exist? It seems to in this issue... Yet at the end of last issue it seems as if the Crack came from Greg's overdose? And what really was the purpose of that giant hand? I dunno...
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:50 / 19.09.03
Feely was an innoculation of the Hand as much as the Hand was an innoculation into Feely.

As above...

The I-Life saved Greg from his suicide attempt. Bioship Greg Feely is out there somwhere rescuing other bioships anmd saving the world one flower at a time.

There are still bits that lose me though
 
 
molotovwaiting
21:58 / 19.09.03
as soon as i read the second last page -"we have love", i had the bjork song "all is full of love" start up in my head . after putting the issue down, i was all warm and fuzzy - such a gentle ending, such hope. A world waiting to be pollenated. reminded me of when king mob meets ragged robin in the final issue of the invisibles - she is saying "all is now love". reminds me of another comic by joel priddy - 'pulpatoon pilgrimage' - where one of the characters, Delaware Thistle, a plant man literally, tried cross pollenation with a bee (as his mother 'accidentally' did to the shame of the family though it did produce him) which he describes as "like finding out that you're a cog in a giant gear, that's part of an engine the size of the universe and there's no doubt, no questions, no guilt, just the primal motion...of the machine perpetuation and nothing can go wrong as long as you are...performing your function" (you find out later in the book, through a reflective flashback, that Delaware, experimented with a bee on his plant head but it just flys away. frustrated and angry, he kills the bee before it can fly out the window - back to the present where he reflects on the guilt and shame - so all that cosmic talk he mentioned may all be bullshit).
Anyway, similar themes in the filth but dirtier and stickier (and certainly not in any of that new agey zen cosmic language that xornetto the icecream despised so much)
 
 
molotovwaiting
22:01 / 19.09.03
i try to keep it dirty
holes and shoes strolling
wondering if all this invention
and inoculating leaves all those nose
picking and crusty perverting people
lucky not to be rendered unconscious
 
 
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01:31 / 20.09.03
Anyone else here wonder why Dmitri's hat (and his fart sound effect) appear in the final panel?!?!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:37 / 20.09.03
Dimitri-9 = Evolution!

I was re-reading, and the coma kid and his friend from #13 are seen walking past Greg's apartment in issue three. They are harassed by the local kids and have garbage thrown at them. It is the same panel we see Greg cutting out the ant heads. I guess he had a pretty good point then, didn't he?

So far the clearest instance of self-created symbolism has been Le Pen. She creates this Hand reality and Miami reveals that she's basically an embodiment of any middle class wanker's guilt about all the evil shit that's going on the world while you're playing Final Fantasy Tactics Advance on the subway.

Er, I mean, buying cat food.

I'll probably have more lucid thoughts about it when i'm finished rereading. But those two guys in issue 3, huh? I love it when he does that!
 
 
quinine92001
14:08 / 20.09.03
I found the isue more reminescent of Morrison's Doom Patrol 31-33? about the Cult of the Unwritten Book. There is a character who has a tear in his hand and can't control evil events as they pour from the wound. It seems that Feely has done what that guy couldn't do. Feely the street is Feely the world. Over all a great series. Garbage and filth sprouting life.
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:39 / 20.09.03
I just looked closely at the last panel, and noticed the Status Quorum comics, and the picture of the ant kids scattered on the ground with Feely's porn...

...but is that an I-Life ship in the bottom left, being drawn to the flower? Maybe that's what the hive is for that the mother is pushing around...

...I'm assuming the PHOORT sound is the sound of flowers growing quickly.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
18:21 / 20.09.03
Well, I now have a crawling rash of hives on my left hand that appeared the day after I read this issue. Given the last time I ever broke out in a rash was after a mandatory flu shot from work last year, that fosters some interesting connotations for me on the book... (And, yes, they haven't given us flu shots yet...)
 
 
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20:20 / 20.09.03
yes, but the phroot sound effect is spelled exactly the same way as the Dmitri farting sound effect... and it appears on the same page as his old hat... surely it can't be a coincidence?

More importantly, why am I arguing about this?
 
 
vajramukti
01:31 / 21.09.03

the ending was a treat

all karma is good karma. even horror and sickness speed one toward the godhead.

for those in the know, or not, the crackcomicks site has seen some updates. of particular interest to filth-philes is this:

http://www.crackcomicks.com/the_filth_quotes.htm

now carried through to issue 13
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
02:58 / 21.09.03
Actually, that's a mini Hand Truck (ha!) hovering over the flower on the last page. Just finished the big re-read and the thing that struck me the most, really, was just that second to last page, love is just a bunch of I-Life ships from different Bio-Ships docking together. And yet it still sounds so pretty.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
11:54 / 21.09.03
Does anyone else see echos of Jeff Noon in the themes that we end up with here? I'm thinking of genetic hybridation and pollination - that sort of thing (and if my spelling is as atrocious as I think it is then, apologies, I'm recovering.)
 
 
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15:20 / 21.09.03
About time they update those quotes.

Speaking of updates, its been a year since GM updated his own site.
 
 
adamswish
22:18 / 21.09.03
and do the whole thing in one go. That's my Friday night planned

I did the big read Saturday night, and as the others have found benefitted from going through the story in one sitting.

From Sparticus' statement that shows the way in the second issue ("Anyone can be Sparticus Hughes" leading to the discovery of the para-personalities in the Hand's lab) and so forth.

I must admit the last few pages were confusing, but made sense as part of the whole. The only little thing that I didn't get is the view from the I-ship of a cat (who we all guess was Tony) and yet no cat in the final page/panel. Maybe the cat was their next port of call and this modern day versions of the old Dandy characters (i think) "The Numbskulls" were heading off in a ship inspired by technology they had seen through their previous host to heal the cat.

Must admit I thought the fart was the sound of the flower growing. Maybe the last page was an amalgamation (apologies to english students if I've buthered that word) of what had gone through the series.

I think the Jeff Noon is a bit of a stretch Dis. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan myself but the flowers seemed to represent rebirth in the world, or at least Gregs world.

Now I think of it, does Mother Dirt actually encourage Greg in the final action he takes with her instructions for what he holds in his hands before her? And anyone else notice at the end Greg response to both names: Mother dirt refers to him as Agent Feely, and Miami addresses him as Ned.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
22:43 / 21.09.03
why sypha or whover originally asked about the phroot sound I thought it was dimitri - just reborn as a flower - or at least feeding the petally bee-fucker with his re-processed atoms.
 
 
The Falcon
14:17 / 22.09.03
I thought Numbskulls, too.

Beezer, I'm pretty sure. Maybe Topper, tho' that was always the weakest of the four; def-o not Beano or Dandy.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:29 / 22.09.03
>> Must admit I thought the fart was the sound of the flower growing. Maybe the last page was an amalgamation (apologies to english students if I've buthered that word) of what had gone through the series.

I thought it was that the fart noise is both growth (even growth through muck ooze and gross stuff) and the spirit of Dmitri in the air molecules

I like the Dmitri's atoms 'feeding' the flower idea, too. CO2 away!!!
 
  

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