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Obsessions, Personal Mythologies, and Warriors of Armeggedon

 
  

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h3r
20:38 / 12.09.03
great post, Sekhmet.......
.....altered states of consciousness, as induced by drugs, and by extension magickal gnosis, are essentially identical to schitzophrenia...
Are you a magician or are you just crazy? Is there a difference?


I dont think there is a fundamental difference, but there certainly are different degrees.....as well as different ways of handling the impact/implications which these "schitzophrenic states" bring about.
One can reach a point where existence in the "normal" world becomes increasingly difficult, and imprisonment/mental institution or medications are forced upon the individual who has ventured too far ....

I do think one can go very far and at the same time retain the ability to function within this society though.

But I have known people who went "looney". Also have had some contact with schizophrenics. My opinion is that people with these "conditions" (at least based on my experience with them) have unfortunately lost the will to accept the "unpleasant" and difficult aspects of life in the material plane. Somehow the awareness of the earlier mentioned "not real" reality (which many of us here share I believe) can become an excuse to stop trying to exist in this plane. Certain knowledge can certainly be overwhelming, and it seems in some cases it does push people over the edge and they cannot "come back".

In my own experience metaphysical awareness and knowledge has increased my appetite for life, so I am keeping "normal" behaviors & conduct going as necessary so they don't put me away....
 
 
cusm
21:19 / 12.09.03
For reference, a few threads on magick and insanity. I know there was more and better ones, but I can't seem to find them at the moment.

Meditation: Ticket to hell?

Magick is useful, but maybe it's driving me insane...

Any of you here ever went through periods where you questioned your sanity?

AR3 J00 M@D!?!?!?
 
 
Deadwings
06:52 / 13.09.03
...There is only one story, retold from several billion points of view again and again. It's made of heroes and despots and angels and demons and strange, beautiful, tragic, horrible, perfectly imperfect and conspicuously disassociative things. When it all gels, it's all true. As true as anything, at least. Whose pantheon is more important than yours? Whose truth is more vital than yours? Awakening is control, of self and of environment. If we're making reality as we go, forward and backward, how can any single thought be less than utterly real? We've all written ourselves into this story. But there is only one pen. Errh. I've got to get more sleep before I try posting again...
 
 
Rev. Wright
17:49 / 14.09.03
'Clearly in dealing with the shaman we are not assessing whether what he believes is taking place is true or false. What is more crucial is the nature of his experiential domain: what he perceives, how he relates to it, what he claims to learn from his experience. We have already noted that in trance the shaman, as it were, enters his belief systems. What is quite crucial is the extent to which his belief system allows profound insights, transformations of consciousness and identity and a renewed sense of being within the world'

extracted from The Shaman and the Magician: Journeys Between the Worlds by Nevill Drury
 
 
TheNeonLobster
23:59 / 14.09.03
When I was twelve, I began writing, drawing, and otherwise simply constructing an imaginary world in which, initially I played no part in, but as time progressed, and the story evolved (as it always is), the main character(s) began interacting with me. They have been, at times, almost a split personality. Though I've always maintained that they are constructs of my own mind, it's also fun to play along. Forget that the water is imaginary and take a dip in the pool. It was through them that I began taking up extra-curricular studying of various topics, including magic.

(I've always figured that at some point I would be able to put it all on paper and make a film, or book, or whatever medium it will be best conveyed.)

And yeah, the entire thing has a lot to do with cosmic importance.

I think the entire reason I began looking into magic was to figure out if maybe the story is true. I couldn't find a way for science to prove it, but looking at other "sciences" may produce results. It's always been about proving that I'm not crazy.
 
 
Rev. Wright
16:48 / 15.09.03
It appears I messed up my link in an above post, so here goes again. The posts are based around my own personal visionary quest that has been going on for some 7 years written under my DJ alter ego.
 
 
beautifultoxin
23:26 / 07.10.03
I haven't been around this parts for Too Long. This thread's worth resurrecting.

My magic/kal awakening came at a time when I was sure I was going nuts, like many others, and I felt terribly, terribly alone -- even when my social group as all supposed pagans, witches, and magicians. I talked to Gods when they didn't -- or didn't admit to it. I intuitively led our rituals and made shit happen. I had some skills that seemed to have come from nowhere.

I never saw myself as an agent on a mission until I had a Calling to serve Inanna, who I approach as a manifest intelligence, a godform, the universal sacred whore, and the original femme fatale. In the six years since, I've tried to reach Her though other forms as well (Venus, PombaGira, Mary Magadalene, Babalon), but there is something specific about Her as Inanna. She isn't a metaphor for something else for me -- She Is.

I felt without tribe for a very long time -- my personal mythology of these non-normative encounters as entirely self-centered. I met some Otherkin people who tried to draw me in, that wasn't right. The queer punk kids back home were a better fit.

Then came The Invisibles. Sure, I had lots of latent spy infatuations. As a little kid my girlfriend and I played spy sex games, interrogations and concealing 'microfilm' in our... well.. the spy/sex connection was there, in a big way. It didn't hurt any that my first 'adult' girlfriend was the one who initiated me to The Invisibles. And that it's sort of a tradition in our big, polymorphously perverse polyamorous extended loose tribal unti to pass The Invisibles on to new lovers. Maybe it's a test of sorts. If anything, it's reprogramming, but it will only work if the latent desires are there.

I never adopted an apocalyptic elements into my personal mythology. I more gravitate towards death and rebirth -- maybe that's the decade of paganism. I embraced Shiva worship for a long period (98 to 01), obsessed on what Kula Shaker sings about in "Mystical Machine Gun" -- "Retain a sense of suicide." I took pieces of The Invisibles, Sumerian mythology, and more to make sense of magick in the Here and Now.

The largest scale mythomanical mission was carried out in the guise of a tightknit group of friends who were urban exploration affecianados. The group took on a mgical life of it's own, with synchronicity running full tilt for the nine months we were working together. For a time, the co-founder of this group (I being the other, he and I being lovers then and the group dissolving when we did) wanted to have an Invisibles College as part of it, to train explorers. (He is still doing this -- see here.) We all use done another's obsessions with sex and death, which i re-contextualized for my personal mythology, of the sacred whore who soothes warriors, and of Inanna as goddess of Love and War. Of course it all ended badly, bad breakups, venereal disease, the whole nine.

When it ended, I "ate" it, and began to put it into my novel as a way to take control over the magical energy we had built up together. I had a lot of tendencies like Robin to do metafiction, to put myself into my work not toflatter myself, but to make things happen for me outside the work, to meld the two until writing became sympathetic magic. So, rather than feel nuts, I write, I try to just turn my back on the self-doubt and call myself an artist and not a lunatic. When the book is done I may think differently.

(The book is called beautifultoxin.)
 
 
arjil
13:59 / 06.12.06
please forgive my barging in as a new guy and resurecting an old thread, but this is of interest to me.
Indeed throughout my life I've had this thread woven firmly into my personal mythology (which, I've found is a wonderously useful magickal tool in and of itself, so long as one doen't get lost in it) point being, I have come to the belief that there is a *Something* to which certain people are privy, for all the people I've met who have this *Something* are simmilar in that A) they don't quite fit in with anyone but each other and B) they all seem to know about the same *Something*.
This is not a popular subject, I've found.

So on the matter of A): The people I have met who really do have this *Something* thread (and not those people who follow them, or the loud and annoying Ego-trolls), tend to have magickal facilities that don't quite jive with commonly accepted magickal practice, that is not to say they're all powerful magi, but their magick whether conscious or un tends to be more... I hesitate to use the word "Real", or "effective"... more Magickal than most occultists are willing to accept. They tend to have an Otherness about them- perhaps a specific Weird tint to their aura, or possibly this *something* carries with it a particular ressonance to it, anyway, I have noticed that they tend to recognise their own on sight.
And on the matter of B) No matter what personal significance they or their compatriots place on the feelings of this *Something*- whether they're Heroes out to save the world from some godwar armageddon, or they're agents sent to let the dragons back into the world, they're the almighty keepers of the eternal ballance, or they're the hand of darkness sent to tip the world over the brink- they always and without fail have been influenced by the same *Something* (posers and BS notwithstanding).
This leads me to the conclusion that there is indeed something to this *Something*, though as to what, I'm far from certain.
I feel that due to the "other and apart, semi outcaste" nature of the people I've found who hear this calling, it is easy for them to assume that they're the only ones who are getting it, which might lead to a grandiose view of their roll in the *Something*. And due to the unfortunate prevailance of Trolls espousing the entirely made up version of everything these true people are, it makes it all but impossible for them to discuss the matter with anyone else without being driven off in a hail of flaming derision (and that goes well beyond the *Something* and encompasses the whole of their spiritual experience as well)
it's unfortunate.
I've learned to generaly keep my mouth shut about it.
 
 
Quantum
14:24 / 06.12.06
Welcome to the Temple! Could you explain what the *something* is a little bit more clearly? I'm thinking you mean Destiny or Old Souls or Awakened or something, but I'm not sure.
 
 
the Kite
17:38 / 07.12.06
I have involved myself in various mystical endeavours for years and have never yet had intimations that the fate of the universe rests on my reluctant shoulders, nor that any deity, entity or destiny has chosen me for its greater purpose soon to be unveiled.

Furthermore I hold utter scepticism of such grandiose claims as more likely manifestations of the sort of ego-bloat magusitis of which Phil Hine wrote (and from which that idiot Crowley suffered), reflected in Pete Carroll's comments about the Abysses of Obsession and Paranoia.

Please excuse me for quoting a passage from my own website, says the Great One, not noticing the irony

'Some of the nasty things that can happen to you do not come with a nice clear warning on the packet like a feeling of fright. Such as:

DELUSIONS OF SPECIALNESS "Despite the fact that I live with my mum and dad, have no job and no partner and only a few friends who hang out and waste time, I become blest with secret knowledge, and only I can bring this to the world. Of course, the Dark Ones (insert bogeyman of the month) are trying to stop me, and are influencing people to turn against me so I have to constantly fight magical battles of cosmos-shaking wrath! I talk about these momentous magical truths and nothing else. People I know start avoiding me, which proves they're in the power of the Dark Ones." '

(for the rest, see http://www.geocities.com/kaitwm625/perils.html )

This doesn't mean that I feel no sense of mission. However, I base my sense of mission differently, in an awareness of the vast and awesome intricacy of Universe as a single complex non-linear process of which I find myself at least one part, conscious of my unfolding role and choosing to play it fully and as creatively as I can. My mission extends to assisting others to do likewise, as they desire.

Sorry about the panegyric. It reads like a paragraph from Buckminster Fuller, I know. Oh well, it could read like the Book of Mormon.
 
 
Papess
20:01 / 07.12.06
You wrote that Kite? That is a very sober guide. I absolutely love it and I am going to put it on my fridge.

One for the Temple Wall, perhaps?
 
 
EmberLeo
05:08 / 08.12.06
I don't know. Threads like this make me wonder where the baby ends and the bathwater begins.

I do feel a bit special. Much to my chagrin I have always had a sense of momentous something-or-other that I need to prepare for better than I have been. I find it downright upsetting that a number of people near me do as well, and worse have oppinions about what my role in this disaster and the survival thereof may be, if the shit actually does hit the fan.

Personally, I find it all very upsetting, and dubious, and I do my best to blithely ignore whatever signs and portends may be indicating that the world we have is in the process of falling apart. Because I would strongly prefer to believe that nothing bad is coming thankyouverymuch.

But it's hard, especially when things like crappy politics and poor environmental choices add up to serious threats on multiple levels at least to the world as I know it. And ultimately, that's what I relate this stuff to - the likelyhood that we won't catch up with our poor choices as a political body, as a species, whatever, before they catch up with us. That the kind of climate change our habits are creating will wipe out more major population areas than we can fix any time soon. That the way we handle the raising of food will create diseases we can't contain. It doesn't need to be supernatural to be something I should be planning for, or something that my role in my religious community will put me in a position to organize people after it hits. It doesn't have to be the end of the entire human race, or the destruction of the entire planet to be Crap of Epic Proportion.

Then again, I see no reason why WWI and WWII wouldn't count as The End Of The World As We Know It, mythically speaking. After all, things are pretty different now, eh? They are the kind of events Myths come out of. What are the odds that the scale of massive battles cited in legend and lore were ever on the scale of WWII?

I do think magical awareness has something to do with it, because I think magical awareness contributes tremendously to overall reality awareness. I do think my Gods have oppinions about it (What makes Ragnarok? Where do we draw the line between supporting this world, and supporting what it could become?). But I'm not sure there's a drastic difference between that perspective and a more mundane perspective.

I think it's all in the translation, and as such I think it makes a lot of sense that people who have the beginnings of awareness that the world is not all pixie-stix and chai, but haven't the foggiest clue where to begin making it better will have a wide variety of reactions to that powerlessness. Some reactions are more effective than others.

--Ember--
 
 
Papess
11:25 / 08.12.06
This is just my opinion, but if one is "aware", wouldn't one realize that one is both special and not special? Actually, I don't like the word "special" - "significant" works better for me.

Let's face it, from our human perspective, there is no one exactly like you. However, there are billions of other humans in exactly the same situation, (not to mention the countless other beings in existance). So, that rather makes one quite common - everyone, actually.

IMHO, getting rid of this ego-game of "specialness" is what allows one to follow their true will with more clarity to let one's myth play out without, or at least with less, interference.
 
 
Ticker
12:58 / 08.12.06
Part of the specialness I experienced as a teenager was due to to larger society's ignorance on things that were happening to me. OBE's are a sign of puberty in my family and it took me a while to adjust that I wasn't a unique handmaiden of glory as much as there was a whole lot of clueless and disinterest on the part of other people. I thought I was having seizures at night until I mentioned it to my Dad who was quite surprised my sisters hadn't explained OBE's to me.

I was taught very early that there is always a big badder mofo than yourself out there. The humility check helps but so does studying magical history of various traditions. For example there have always been conflicts between different factions, in fighting, and other magical 'disturbances'.

It's been noted that we talk a lot about the weather in New England because it often is doing something noticable. Doesn't mean there has never been a big ass ice storm before only that this one was particularly important to the people discussing it because Nan slipped on that thick ice on the way to the cah.

In my mythology and from what I have from my Gods, the End happened a while ago and will happen again and everyone that's there when it happens is special. Just like the people who aren't there because they were some place else being especially fitted to that moment of time.

If you start with a baseline of everyone being a tool of Destiny and a handmaid of Purpose, it calms the ego down a bit and you can get on with your work.

I find a lot of people I run into build their ID kit around external reasons for being viewed as unique. No matter if you believe in reincarnation or multiple dimensions or solid inevitable oblivion there will only ever be this one moment of you-ness in this particular formation doing these particular things. Every flower, every snowflake, every grain of sand is unique and can feel the power of that singular achievement even when lost in the meadow, blizzard, or beach. I see it as a thing to honor Namaste-style, in every thing I encounter as often as I can.

I recently was discussing a current magical conflict some folks were engaged in and kept being puzzled as to why they were so worked up until one of them replied "It's the one that is happening now." Like an icestorm, the conflict was something they had to deal with and it was large enough to appear to be the most important thing on their plate. Having the perspective of history informing my POV I just assumed it was the season for this sort of thing (as it always is) and couldn't really grasp the urgency they were experiencing. But then I wasn't the one slipping on the ice either.
 
 
EmberLeo
22:47 / 08.12.06
I think xk said what I was trying to say, only better.

So I'll just summarize. "I matter" != "I matter more than you". I can, and do, have a sense of my own significance, specialness, uniqueness, whatever AND have a sense that everybody else is equally unique, significant, and valuable to the Universe. What makes my uniqueness matter more to me is that it's mine. I assume that it doesn't, and can't mean more to the Universe as a whole. By it's nature, everything that exists is valued by the Universe equally.

As for the gods, that I don't know. I assume They have Their preferences just as any distinct individual has. There do seem to be some that prefer me. I know more people than I can count who are preferred by one or another god, and plenty of people who have deep relationships with Jesus or whatever, so that doesn't strike me as inequitable.

--Ember--
 
 
calgodot
05:34 / 09.12.06
There's an exchange between a priest and a rabbi in a Ray Bradbury story (one of the Mars stories, I think). The priest admits that as a boy he had fantasies of being the second coming of Christ. The rabbi admits that young Jewish boys dream of being mashiach.

It seems to be a common fantasy, occasionally taken to an unhealthy level. When I was a kid one of my cousins went through a period where he thought he was a saint. His mother, who is a bit unstable, remains convinced that he is somehow important to history. (Said cousin currently sells real estate in South Florida.)

There's the suggestion in the gospels that "many are called but few are chosen." A lot of us have idle, transient thoughts of being significant in some apocalyptic fashion. A few answer the call and actually become significant. Most people just keep watching TV.

Maybe the fantasy is existential - a yearning for an authentic existence. Not simply seeking meaning in our lives or the universe, we desire power to change that universe, or at least be a significant factor in its evolution.

When I left my childhood home in the Deep South over two decades ago, the elders of my family's evangelical church (tongues, prophecy, healings - the works) wanted to anoint me and pray over me. During the ritual one of them received a prophecy that I would speak to large numbers of people and would do battle with many demons. Twenty-four years later, I'm fiddling with magick and blathering on the internet. Go figure. I don't take myself seriously enough to consider it much more than that.
 
 
the Kite
11:22 / 09.12.06
Thanks for your kind remarks, Electrix. Ember, I wouldn't disagree with your feelings themselves about the mess we're making of our history. However, I do want to draw sober attention to the extent to which magical awareness can make us oversensitive to such feedback, especially when it gets fed back to us through the mincing machines of scare-story media and fanatical ideological cant. To remint a phrase, 'good news is no news.'

It seems built into our minds to regard our present as the most significant time of all. Look at history books, for example, and find the distant millennia summarised in a chapter or two but the most recent decades given much more space. We may just about remember episodes from our earliest childhood, but can feel overwhelmed by our present situation. We view our present through a microscope and our past through a macroscope. I don't see anything wrong with that, but it helps to bear this sort of heuristic in mind when assessing the significance of NOW.

I don't believe in any of the apocalyptic scenarios that the scare-mongers inflict upon us. End-of-the-world deadlines have been passing sheepishly by for thousands of years and look set to continue doing so (which will win out at the end of this current interglacial period: Global Warming or the Return of the Ice Age?). For me then, the rescue of the baby from the bathwater consists of rejoicing in the utterly meaningful Universe to which I belong and doing my best to influence it in ways which I applaud. Not terribly dramatic or glamorous, but it provides a firm foundation for optimism which does not lead to complacency but to committed action in the NOW.

And with that rallying cry to bring on the Eschaton, your correspondent shuts the hell up.
 
 
Papess
14:27 / 09.12.06
If one accepts that they are a god and/or have some divine calling, it seems that one also has to accept everyone else is a god and/or has divine calling. I mean, the possibility is there for everyone, isn't it?

I think people create these grand schemes, plots and mythologies, to overcome the chilling realization that they are indeed, expendable. It is almost as if We (and I use the almighty "We" here) have been conditioned to Hollywood results (...well, duh, May...)...as in - the hero gets laid/ the hero never fails (wave to Neo)/ the hero is a looker and most importantly (and the most relevant to my point and to this discussion) the hero never dies

Truly, this kind of grandiose behavior (the behavior we are discussing, not dying) and belief is the sure sign of fear, at the most basic level - fear of death.


Wow, I said that over three years ago and I still stick by it.

There was a point in my life were I realized the futility of life. There are few people who can change the course of events in history. That feeling of futility can end up killing someone long before they are ever dead. It is almost like survivalist instinct to give yourself a role with power, even if it is imagined, to help deal with the angst of apocalyptic proportion.

Plus! I think that because some religions beat into us the eternal-hell-with-no-chance-of-rest increases the desirability of a "savior" or "messiah-like" position in the present scheme of things. They are always granted eternal life by the powers that be...even if one has to go through personal peril and is "crucified", (flame war? divorce? layoffs at work?), this ends up justifying their position of saviour. Thus, they cannot be expended easily (because they have the fate of humankind in their hands), and if they are, they receive eternal life.
 
 
Papess
14:33 / 09.12.06
My post above refers to an unhealthy ego, rather than a healthy "I can make a difference" attitude - which, generally doesn't involve delusions of grandeur. I am giving example of when fear is what is driving one's ship - all alone.
 
 
Haloquin
14:17 / 14.12.06
Something I find interesting about this is; when I was younger I felt this overwhelming feeling that I was supposed to be doing something important... but had no idea what that was. I occasionally concocted stories about mystical battles and for a while dreamt about it... but the feeling only went away when I worked out what I was meant to be doing in life, or in other words, where I actually wanted to be at this point;
In university, with good friends, happily trundling along with my hobbies and studying my favourite subject.
I always assumed that almost everyone felt they had something they were supposed to be doing.

I love what xk and Ember and Electrix have said... I especially love the part about everyone being special.... everyone is the main character (read 'hero') in their own life.
I agree with this, I do feel special. Its true. But I assume everyone else also feels special.

I guess we all have some part to play here else we wouldn't be here now, but whether thats some kind of 'divinely planned' type part, or a 'I'm a cog in the works' type part doesn't seem to matter.
 
 
EmberLeo
23:15 / 14.12.06
but whether thats some kind of 'divinely planned' type part, or a 'I'm a cog in the works' type part doesn't seem to matter.

Unless it's a Rube-Goldberg device, every cog in a machine is genuinely necessary to accomplish the tasks of the machine.(Well, okay - even in a Rube-Goldberg device, the extra cogs inserted are necessary to the design of the machine, they just don't represent the most efficient design).

I would argue that there is no difference between the metaphor of a cog in a machine and a divinely planned course of earthly function. Both imply Intelligent Design (philosophically, not scientifically, I swear!)

So what would stand out as different is a merely "random" existence.

--Ember--
 
  

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