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A Poll About Joycore (PICS)

 
  

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Old brown-eye is back
12:21 / 21.08.03
I'm picking up anti-Joycore rumblings from all over. Once and for all - is Joycore merely the Barbelith equivalent of a retarded monkey endlessly masturbating over a picture of The Fonz or is it, you know, something else like?
 
 
The Apple-Picker
12:25 / 21.08.03
Joycore rocks. But I can see how people might want to put a rest to the rowdy hootenanny.

I like to enjoy my Joycore in peace.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:35 / 21.08.03
Swiftly. I don't care either way and if you don't like it than don't post in the threads... it is, after all, drawing it out. Joycore is being emphasised by this tragic disagreement.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:22 / 21.08.03
The real question:

Are you Joycore, or are you Borecore?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:23 / 21.08.03
If we're being serious about this, 'joycore' is really no different from pirates and ninjas, or ass-candling, or any other number of light-hearted Barbelith memes/crazes/moments of madness. Since nobody's posted threads about it outside the Conversation, or hijacked existing, more serious threads, then I fail to see how it can be seen as spam, or disruptive in any meaningful sense.

The only thing that marks joycore out from these other crazes is that some of the people who don't themselves find it amusing or entertaining have expressed that in particular pompous and censorious tones. Which is kinda meta, in that in doing so, they themselves become the essence of 'borecore'.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:28 / 21.08.03
Also: I feel that perhaps those of you who do not understand or are confused about Joycore have a valid reason to feel that way - at least on Barbelith, the philosophical ideas about Joycore haven't quite been explained. We've been really cryptic about it, and that's part of the fun. Ideally, you should figure it out and embrace it on your own. I don't think it should be explained - why does embracing fun, silliness, and creativity have to be spelled out for you?

I think that anyone who is going to knock the Joycore threads (which do not interfere with other threads, and do not exist outside of the Conversation) is in need of sorting out a lot of Borecore issues.

If there's a point to be made, it's this: you should define your own Joycore, but NEVER be Borecore. Borecore will fucking kill your soul.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:44 / 21.08.03
It's also a bit of a laugh to suggest that the Joycore threads are somehow less interesting and are lower in content than the vast majority of the threads which appear in this Conversation forum. Have you read this forum lately? Have you read the other forums here lately?
 
 
bitchiekittie
14:15 / 21.08.03
I enjoy the joy.

joy. say it again. joy! with feeling this time.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
15:07 / 21.08.03
down with the unbelievers!
down with borecore!
glory to joycore.

...

excelsior.
 
 
cusm
15:10 / 21.08.03


You decide.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:28 / 21.08.03
Well, Fly, that's kinda interesting. If it's not just me who finds the whole Joycore thing an annoying addition to the noise side of the signal/noise balance, I feel better. Or when you say 'people', do you just mean me? By the way, I'm a little surprised to find you resorting to "but it's just a joke, if you don't think it's funny, you're boring" - shall we just throw the towel in right now and call each other Nazis?

If there is a quiet swell of dislike - even a minority one - and there wasn't one for Pirates and Ninjas, then that points to some kind of difference in the way people receive the Joycore thing, or to a difference of type in the thing itself. Either way, interesting.

And Flux, it's precisely because I do read the board that I'm objecting. When there's nothing to say, threads like Joycore pop up, and then it's much harder to get a new conversation started. I'm aware that that's a self-correcting problem up to a point, and that it's also at least as much a reflection of the situation as a generator of it - but I still feel that sometimes the endless fluff chats, especially when they spawn subfluff, and doubly when they require large numbers of photos, clutter up the landscape and diminish the likelihood of decent discussions.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:32 / 21.08.03
Sam, get this through your head: JOYCORE IS NOT FLUFF.

It may take you a while to get used to that idea.

And it's NOTHING like the pirate/ninja thing. If you understood it at all, you'd know that. This isn't some dumb joke.
 
 
pomegranate
15:36 / 21.08.03
i'm down w/joycore. if you don't like it, don't read the 'core threads.
more importantly, is NO ONE going to say that "MattsGurl4eva" is the wack-est screen name, eva? it's been the newest member for days and DAYS. i can't be the only one thinking this.
i just can't be.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:40 / 21.08.03
Tom shut down new memberships for a while because of some trolling. That's why there haven't been any new members. Just so you know.

I think the name is either really good, or really bad. It's hard to tell.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:48 / 21.08.03
Fly- not to diss Joycore, but are you implying that ass-candling is silly? C'mON!
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:11 / 21.08.03
Aha! Some passion, at last. I thought I was going to have to go a lot further than that. So Joycore doesn't suck all your teeth out through your nose and piss in your brain. Excellent. Joycore is nothing like Pirates and Ninjas. Good. And it's not fluff either. Also good. (Fly, your response is looking shaky.)

So, Flux, would you care to tell me more about why it isn't the conversation destroying, eight-year-old's endless, structureless narrative it appears to be? Without the aid of pictures, please.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:12 / 21.08.03
Ass-candling may not be silly, but it's totally over. I move that our new initiation shall be to cover the n00bs in apricot jam and force them to recite mediaeval French poetry to us.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:24 / 21.08.03
Big up to NOTFUSSEDCORE! At first I thought it was stupid, now I don't really care one way or the other, the Conversation is pointless fluff central after all.
 
 
grant
16:32 / 21.08.03
I used the word "joycore" in the promotional one-sheet for my CD.
 
 
Char Aina
16:35 / 21.08.03
swift barbe poll...

you were kidding, right?
swift?
on this board?
in these shoes?


joycore IS borecore.
borecore IS joycore.

cease this dualist nonsense,
and realise the truth.
the joy-truth, the bore-truth,
the truthcore.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:51 / 21.08.03
Toksik, that may have been the single most wrong-headed and offensive post I've ever encountered on Barbelith.

Borecore is NOT Joycore, and Joycore is NOT Borecore.

Isn't it obvious? Borecore is the problem, not Joycore.
 
 
Char Aina
16:57 / 21.08.03
dude.
like, yawn, y'know?

[quietly buzzed offa the bore]

i was into the craic of the joy, but i am like, sooooooo over this shizznizzity.

joycore...
dead and loving it!
 
 
—| x |—
16:58 / 21.08.03
But more importantly, who really cares for cores at all when Truthcore reveals that the core is empty. Joy at the core, bore at the core: it’s nothing. When people can see this, well friends, that’s when the world will change. Otherwise, as terrifically Toksik has given (and Flux reject the gift), we simply are drawing some dumbass definition of division—are you “Joycore” or are you “Borecore”? What if we aren’t either, or what if, as is likely the case, we are both? Unhindered and uncomplicated “Joycore” is “Borecore” because it seems v. close to people who “like to party.” And “Borecore” is “Joycore” because those who are entirely “Borecore” are going to extract joy from their tight-ass interpretations of the world.

And so here I bring you all this from the side of “Falsecore,” because everything I say is a lie.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:16 / 21.08.03
I am amazed by the frustrating inability for some of you to grasp an idea as simple as Joycore and Borecore. You're getting this all mixed up, because you still haven't understood the concept.

Joycore can only be understood if you understand what Borecore is - Borecore is a refusal to enjoy things. Borecore denies itself things. Borecore is afraid. Borecore embraces sorrow and pain. Borecore does not want to engage itself with the world. Borecore is allergic to fun. Borecore doesn't like new ideas. Borecore does not want to see the beauty in the world. Borecore thinks it's all been done. Borecore does not make its own fun. Borecore is angry, and does not use that anger in constructive ways. Borecore wants to create boundaries. Borecore likes living in a cage. Borecore thinks that it understands the world. Borecore follows pointless rules, simply because they exist. Borecore is uptight. Borecore is the fucking ENEMY.

Joycore is about embracing your own creativity. Joycore is about making your own fun. Joycore is about seeing the good in things. Joycore is about casting off bigotry. Joycore is about trying to make things better. Joycore is about giving yourself the permission to be happy. Joycore is about defining for yourself what parts of culture are exciting, and saying "fuck you" to snobbery. Joycore is about making yourself sexy through your character and sheer force of will. Joycore is about having the selfawareness to know when you are being Borecore, and wanting to change that because you want to be a better person. Joycore is most importantly about self-empowerment, and hating the idea that we cannot make our lives better.

Joycore is the most important thing any of us can embrace right now. The more of us who are Joycore, the better everyone around us will be. Borecore is the thing that's killing us all, as individuals, and as a society. If Barbelith is to survive and thrive, it MUST embrace Joycore.

Other people have mentioned other "cores," but it misunderstands the point of Joycore. Joycore is a big, broad thing. Your "truthcore" is just an aspect of Joycore. But make no mistake: Joycore and Borecore are NOT ALIKE.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:26 / 21.08.03
Does borecore think that smoking in public is fun?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:29 / 21.08.03
Joycore is not anti-smoking, but it's not pro-smoking either. It's indifferent to smoking, drugs, and alcohol in a broad sense, because it is borecore to tell people that they shouldn't do those things if they want to. However, it is totally Joycore to enjoy doing those things.

Does that make sense?
 
 
Char Aina
18:01 / 21.08.03
Borecore is uptight.

dude!

you borecore!
 
 
cusm
18:06 / 21.08.03
It looks like Toksik and Zero have embraced the subtle truth of Zencore behind the false dualities of Joycore and Borecore.

If a tree falls on a mime in the forest, is he Joycore?

 
 
.
18:11 / 21.08.03
1) Surely having to explain joycore is borecore?

2) Are The Boredoms joycore or Borecore?

Joycore is consuming my precious cultural bandwidth. But I like it that way. Dominate me, joycore.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
18:37 / 21.08.03
Flux, stop being so professional. They're totally right--Borecore is the bullet in Joycore's chamber. The school play/rollercoaster scene in Parenthood, aka Steve Martin's Joycore swansong, illustrates this perfectly.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
19:07 / 21.08.03
Oh, yeah, and Shapeshifters:

GET YOUR DAMN HANDS OFF THE MICROPHONE!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:28 / 21.08.03
If it's not just me who finds the whole Joycore thing an annoying addition to the noise side of the signal/noise balance, I feel better. Or when you say 'people', do you just mean me?

It's not just you. A fairly quick search of any thread with the word 'core' in the title, plus a few others, will reveal this. Various people have expressed various degrees of dissatisfaction with the Joycore threads.

By the way, I'm a little surprised to find you resorting to "but it's just a joke, if you don't think it's funny, you're boring"

I'd be surprised too, if I'd actually said that. But I said no such thing, as I begin to suspect you may well know. I said: some of the people who don't themselves find it amusing or entertaining have expressed that in particular pompous and censorious tones... they themselves become the essence of 'borecore'. To paraphrase, a sub-set of the people who don't think it's funny or fun have also been suggesting that it's an actively Bad Thing, and harming the board - I think it is harmless at worse, so I take issue with the latter. Are we clear now? Not finding it funny or fun = fine by me. Saying it needs to go away = wrong, and being a killjoy.

If what you're trying to do is draw a comparison between this case and cases in the past where I've said that certain things are inappropriate on the board and have been called a killjoy - please don't, this is a very weak rhetorical device. There's a big difference between objecting to something on the grounds that it is misogynistic, or otherwise bigotted and offensive, and objecting to something on aesthetic grounds, which is what seems to be happening here. Joycore brings you love, Sam. It wants to give you a hug. Embrace it!

If there is a quiet swell of dislike - even a minority one - and there wasn't one for Pirates and Ninjas, then that points to some kind of difference in the way people receive the Joycore thing, or to a difference of type in the thing itself.

There have been many expressions of dissatisfaction with the pirates/ninjas meme, ranging from the humorous to the genuinely exasperated. I'm pretty sure I remember you being around at the time. Same for asscandling, which isn't the best example since it only crops up in text form, but for a while it did crop up every time a newbie started an introduction thread. This led me to once describe it as "a joke that has run its course", but I never seriously suggested it might be detrimental to the ideal functioning of Barbelith, and should cease. To do so would be borecore.

Finally, please don't try and suggest that if some of the followers of Joycore disagree on minor ecumenical matters, the entire glittering edifice may collapse. Joycore is a broad church.

STEP INSIDE THE CHURCH OF JOYCORE!

 
 
bio k9
19:45 / 21.08.03
Joycore should no longer entertain this conversation.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:51 / 21.08.03
I think the title of this thread should be changed, because this is in fact one of the least Joycore threads in Barbelith's existence, and titling it simply "Joycore" is a total misnomer. Even if it's just A Poll About Joycore, that'd be better.

Other than that, Bio is right on.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
20:18 / 21.08.03
Ohmigod, Fly, that's such an awesome picture.
 
  

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