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Dan Clowes vs Alan Moore

 
  

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moriarty
05:03 / 20.08.03
Testpattern, I don't think the idea that Clowes might have the edge because he draws as well as writes was meant to be the sum total of Flux' arguement. If anyone were to make such a bold claim, that person would probably be me.

All this talk about Moore's expansive interests vs. Clowes' singular vision doesn't take into account the fact that Moore has more work available than Clowes. Much more. In fact, one could say that prolific writers such as Chuck Dixon, Howard Mackie, or Scott Lobdell have dealt with a greater variety of subjects than Moore. Clowes is lucky if he can release one book a year. What is Moore writing, at least two dozen comics in the same period of time?

And why is worrying over the same general topic for one's entire career such a bad thing? Many of the greatest writers and artists in numerous mediums have achieved recognition for exploring their obsessions endlessly. In comics, you can count Schulz, Herriman, Ware and Crumb, among others.
 
 
Krug
08:16 / 20.08.03
Well Moore has been writing comics for over two decades and how long has Clowes been making comics?

I think it's like comparing Stanley Kubrick with Paul Thomas Anderson.

Who cares which one is better anyway? I am a great admirer of both.

That said...Alan Moore is God.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:17 / 20.08.03
Both *sides* of this argument are sooooo full of shit. Flux, you can't go on about how this debate's a non-starter and then proceed to reduce Moore's work to "is bullshit magic 'n' swords 'n' deconstructing superheroes, innit?"

And as for Houdini's total bollocks about "juvenile art"..... RrrGgg. Shut UP and take the time to read the guy's work.

Moore has a very traditional approach to storytelling and is FANTASTIC at it. He writes with so much precision, clarity ands...mmmm...symmetry. He's utterly direct. Moore says "here's an emotion!" and bricks you round the head with it. And that's marvellous.

But there are other, less grand, less forceful and, dare I say it, *obvious* approaches. Moore's all in the affirmative - it's all bold statements (even the end of V and Watchmen, which are ostensibly open-ended, are, well....it's a very BIG kind of open-ended), whereas Clowes' work occupies the grey areas. There are no affirmatives. Things don't *make sense*. The work is non-commital to the extent that character's inner lives lend themselves to endless interogation. There's a kind of ambivalence to Clowes work and a lack of, for want of a better word, neatness, that, for me at least, hits upon a kind of human truth that simply isn't present in Moore's.

But it's only one "truth", and Moore certainly has as much to say as Clowes. Moore's all about the big revelations. Clowes is interested in where those revelations begin to fray at the edges.

And they are both fucking masters at what they do.

Stupid. Idiotic. Argument.
 
 
rizla mission
09:37 / 20.08.03
Reading this thread has proved a pretty frustrating and pointless experience.

Are those sarcastic posts leading anywhere Flux? Cos I take your initial point, but repeatedly going "ooh, he writes about MAGIC and CONSPIRACIES - ha ha what a fool" isn't really achieving anything.

Sypha Nation:I think they're both good writers. Its kinda hard to compare them though as they both seem to work in very different genres.

Yeah. The End.

Or shall we hit some of the other forums with these either / or threads?

Sergio Leone vs. Tim Burton!

Jefferson Airplane vs. Daft Punk!

Joseph Conrad vs. Sylvia Plath!

C'mon - "THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!"
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:39 / 20.08.03
Highlander vs Three Colours Trilogy?

Or should that be a new thread?
 
 
The Falcon
13:02 / 20.08.03
No-one's pointed out the similarities between Promethea and Ghost World, I notice. Which'd suggest Moore's open to being influenced by Clowes.

I prefer Moore, but am far less familiar with Clowes.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:08 / 20.08.03
Well, other than both books focusing on a friendship between two young women, there's not too many similarities, are there?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:13 / 20.08.03
It's pretty easy to write tons of comics for other people to draw, at least compared to writing the comics and then drawing, inking, lettering, and coloring them, all to the highest professional standard. So it's a lot easier for Alan Moore to be more prolific than Daniel Clowes.

Also: I'm. Not. Being. Sarcastic. EVER.

Fact: Oranges taste better than apples.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:16 / 20.08.03
But apples clean your teeth.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:36 / 20.08.03


ORANGES. TASTE. BETTER. THAN. APPLES.

Agree with me!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:50 / 20.08.03
}bored{
 
 
Aertho
14:18 / 20.08.03
Since you all are manifestations MY divinity, I suppose it's up to me to settle this.

I choose Alan Moore and Oranges.
 
 
The Falcon
14:26 / 20.08.03
Well, other than both books focusing on a friendship between two young women, there's not too many similarities, are there?

I dunno, there's that and the black metal fixation of Stacia's, and the Weeping Gorilla comics. And I thought the last ish was really Clowes in style, cut-up with Kirby/Sprouse stuff.

Shagging a creepy older man, too.
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:41 / 20.08.03
I have the horrible idea that this thread has become a perfect example of why the internet gets a bad reputation as regards it being a means of discussion.
... He said, all too aware of his own complicity in it.
 
 
moriarty
22:10 / 20.08.03
...finally snaps, declaring Bil Keane "the greatest writer the comics medium has ever seen".

If any one thing has come out of this thread, it's in driving me to a point where Journalista felt the need to report on my behavior and thereby create my epitath. I especially like the use of the word "finally". It seems it was blatently inevitable to more people than just myself.
 
 
Eroom Nala
23:56 / 20.08.03
From my annotations to Promethea #26
at http://eroomnala.bravepages.com/26.html
John O Neill points out that
Amongst the videos behind sophie on the cover is a copy of "Ghost World." I've thought that this has been a major influence on the series since the first issue, but in this issue the influence comes to a head. The choice of fonts on the cover, the duo-tone coloring style, and the panel layouts all reflect an influence from Dan Clowes's Ghost World, emphasizing the 'spectral' and empty shade of a life that Sophie has chosen.
So it has actually been pointed out just not at Barbelith
:-)
 
  

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