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Withnail & I

 
  

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Haus of Mystery
11:32 / 13.01.05
Benny, no.
 
 
Benny the Ball
12:41 / 13.01.05
Was that a flat 'no', a 'no, shut it' no or a pained I'm sorry that you had to go through the pain of a bunch of drama twats no?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:15 / 13.01.05
No.
 
 
Benny the Ball
14:55 / 13.01.05
Thanks for clearing that up.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
17:14 / 13.01.05
If I say 'No' again would that help?
 
 
Benny the Ball
19:25 / 13.01.05
No
 
 
Loomis
08:58 / 14.01.05
Yes, Society is transforming around them; but if their vestiges of privilege are the first to crumble in a slow march towards meritocracy, how much sympathy can we really have? In the final analysis, if Society will no longer provide support or justification for parasitic posho fucks who feel that the world owes them a living, isn’t that, well, a good thing, politically?

Thank you Jack! Your post is an eloquent expression of the discomfort I felt with the film. I've only seen it once and could probably do with a second viewing, but my initial response was very much along these lines.

It's still sad to see Withnail imploding because of his inability to deal with a changing world but I find that my sympathy with his shit was limited by the view expressed above by Jack, that the new world is a better one for people who don't have rich relatives to live off.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:16 / 14.01.05
Well, yes, but... with the utmost respect, let he among us who is useful cast the first stone. The freedom to be useless, to be paralysed, to be disturbed to the point of inutility... what does losing that freedom mean? For starters, it means that Marwood starves to death before he thinks of getting a haircut. It means that picturesque old queens like Uncle Monty retreat into seclusion and cease to be a troubling presence. And it means that people who don't bootstrap themselves are deserted by their friends and end up reciting Shakespeare to wolves.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:33 / 14.01.05
But enough of this reflection...

"SCRUBBERS!"
 
 
Alex's Grandma
07:05 / 15.01.05
Posho fucks...

But JF, how are you going to explain that to you're grand-children, that that's what they are ? At least if they're not, then you as a meritocrat, will have, y'know, a slash on your chips. And the family's.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:18 / 15.01.05
...

English is your first language, isn't it?

Can you rephrase that question so that parts of it make at least momentary sense?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:20 / 15.01.05
Well I'll try.

There is no excuse, whatsoever, for the above gibberish, but I suppose at the time I'd had a couple of quiet liveners, so

I 'think' that what I was trying to say was possibly this:

That in a meritocracy, if you, I, or anyone Does Well, like Alan Sugar, say, it's not totally out of the question that the next generation might turn out badly, whether or not one, as Pater, has a seat in the house of Lords, or is otherwise posh.

Which is to say that Withnail is every Dad's worst nightmare, and will continue to be so long after the British class system collapses.

For example, Noel Gallagher ( though I'm not making any comparison at all, and I'll admit to struggling here a bit, ) is happy enough to go on at length about his roots and so forth, about having to sell the cake to make the bloody ends meet, none of which stopped him calling the first born Pineapple or some such, and put him/her down for Eton/Roedean the minute the scan turned out positive.

So in other words, if I've managed to string this together properly ( head hurts now, ) your ideas about class and poshos and that seem a bit outdated.

As a Dad, surely the goal is to have the children one day say

" Yes, but my Father worked jolly hard for that money. The dick. "
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:18 / 15.01.05
I'm not totally sure if that's any better.

I think, on balance, I will get my coat.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
01:05 / 16.01.05
Shite.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
05:15 / 16.01.05
The fil, that is. Not your (undeservedly) elegant commentary, folks.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:20 / 16.01.05
No, Xoc. It's a fucking Dickensian masterpiece, and a beautifully bittersweet meditation on friendship.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:26 / 16.01.05
Alex: Well, yeah, of course the vision of class I was talking about is outdated. That's the whole point.

Monty and Withnail represent a system of inherited status (not necessarily connected with money) that was already on its last legs in 1969, when the film is set. It's a historical piece, and much of its effect, as the Flyboy points out, comes from the audience's knowledge of the days to follow and the ways in which society is going to change.

The Flyboy frames it as The Specter Of Looming Thatcherism: I've framed it as The Decline Of The Aristocracy. It's both, of course, but how you read Withnail's fate--crushed beneath the wheels of Progress, or collapsed under the weight of his ownprivilege? U-Decide!--depends on which element one chooses to emphasize in one's reading.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
17:42 / 16.01.05
If Society will no longer provide support or justification for parasitic posho fucks who feel the world owes them a living, isn't that, well, a good thing politically ?

JFWhile I entirely agree with your ( insightful, if a bit irascible, ) comments with regard to the movie, the above read more like, um, issues with regard to the present. In that sense anyway, it seemed worth pointing out that all these people you'd appear to have it in for aren't going anywhere, y'know ?

As to whether I should have bothered though, remains open to question.
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:48 / 16.01.05
No, the film is shite.
 
 
Spaniel
20:43 / 16.01.05
Stop baiting, you little scamp.
 
 
Mistoffelees
19:40 / 29.03.13
Uncle Monty died!

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/rip-withnail-i-and-harry-potter-star-richard-griffiths-1947-2013-20130329

And at only 65!

Goodbye, Richard.
 
  

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