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21:39 / 20.08.03

Good points, substatique.

Note also that early (i.e. very early) development begins with a handful of cells that replicate and differentiate into the fully formed organism. It is in this phase of rapid nonlinear differentiation that very small influences can be iterated into very large results - a developmental butterfly effect, if you will. This is why exposure to small amounts of toxins in utero can cause very dramatic changes in morphology like mutations.

If we accept the planets and other astronomical bodies exert a small but not entirely insignificant effect on cells, then it's not too far-fetched to suggest that astronomical orientations could imprint the neurological template in such a way as to create a signature in the individual resonant in later development. Your natal chart could indeed be a formative influence on development.

Of course this is just spankulation. I think the real merit of astrology is in it's role as a reflector of the psyche similar to the Tarot, and far less as some sort of physical phenomenon. Still it is food for thought to wonder why so many people seem to represent their Sun Signs so well. Nature vs nurture I guess...

22:11 / 20.08.03

wow, substatique breathed some fresh info into this thread!
good stuff.

I have researched the pineal gland, but I don't think any of that info relates to Mars or astrology.

23:17 / 20.08.03

The pineal is the seat of the biological clock, coordinating hormonal metabolism via malatonin. In some amphibians it is actually exposed to light directly. So it is at least relevant to substatiques reference to biological clocks.

However it's relevance could be extended to include the fact that 1) the pineal also contains one type of harmala alkaloid, and some evidence has shown that malatonin can be converted to endogenous tryptamines , and 2) Descartes, in his day, suggested that the pineal acted as a sort of reducing valve for the information of the universe - in most normal waking states it functioned to limit the information to basic fight-flight biosurvival stuff, but in other states it would open up and allow more info to be exposed to the self, such as in dreams or meditative trance.

Perhaps the two functions combine in a manner similar to what subtatique suggests, allowing the neonate to intuit the positions of the heavenly bodies at the tme of birth. The natal chart could then be sort of like a serial number, though more like a manufacturing template.

18:39 / 21.08.03

yeah i agree.

plus:
the pineal gland is supposed to be the ENTRY and EXIT point for the soul ( while natural DMT is released by the gland during BIRTH and DEATH. Birth meaning the point roughly 45 days after conception, when the PIneal Gland appears for the first time on the ultrasound of a womb, allowing a sould to enter. ( I belive there also is a reference in the Tibetan Book Of the Dead, that the "soul" lingers for 45 days upon EXIT in hyperspace before entering a new physical form).
Interestingly enough the PIneal gland first has a similar position as in reptiles, but then wanders into the center of the skull before the "physical" birth and seperation from the host (=womb).

So the connection of the "bio-clock gland" (which can be argued to mark the true beginning and end of a physical lifespan) with astrology does make sense after reflecting about it....

04:15 / 22.08.03

You might wanna check out this link:

http://www.wits.ac.za/planetarium/mars.html

Here's the part that hit me:

"The orbit of Mars has been getting more extreme over the past few thousand years, and the last time we passed this close was about 60,000 years ago. The next time we get this close will be in 2287 (284 years from now).
On 27 August 2003 we will be 55.758 million km from Mars.
On 22 September 1988, we were 59 million km from Mars.
On 12 August 1971, we were 56.2 million km from Mars.
On 23 August 1924, we were 55.778 million km from Mars.
This year's close approach to Mars will have no harmful effect on the Earth."

Dig. So while this is getting a lot of play in the press and so on, and the 60,000 years part is technically true, we've been ALMOST this close to Mars several times this century.

Tends to take the whole thing down a notch in importance, I thought.

ALTHOUGH...While I'm not very attached to astrology and so on, I was born in 1971, had something very important happen to me in 1988, and seem to be undergoing some sort of major change right now, and I'm an Aries who exhibits most of the Aries tendencies.

But that's just me. And I doubt I'll last till 2287 to find out if there's really a pattern!

Maybe this is just a sign that we should all go and reread our Edgar Rice Burroughs. Ah, the dead sea-beds of Barsoom!

16:57 / 26.08.03

The front page of today's New York Daily News has a huge picture of Mars - I was on the subway this morning and saw it from about 20 feet away; I thought it looked like a closeup of a drop of water, almost, it looked so sleek and magic mirror-like. Upon closer inspection of the picture I saw it was just as cool close-up as it appeared to be from a distance. NYer check out Mars tonight and tomorrow nite!!

And I think this closeness with Mars must have some, even small, affect on us all, individually and as a society. Do I have any evidence for this? Of course not. just a hunch...

13:48 / 27.08.03

*BUMP* Happy Mars Day! Today is the closest it will be for a looong, long time. Telescopes ahoy!

15:53 / 27.08.03

AHA! That explains why I've been getting so many emails about a 5 year old website of mine. It turns out lots of people have been searching for "mars visible" and finding the Visible Mars Bar Project. I've had some real whackos emailing me. Now I know why.

17:07 / 27.08.03

the Visible Mars Bar Project. I've had some real whackos emailing me.

Heh, go figure.
I checked out your site, elSE... Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Something about posting cross-sections of Mars bars to compare US vs. British variants that just doesn't seem all too, you know...normal.

C23

17:36 / 27.08.03

I'm sure the Roman God of War looks on smiling as the UK and American Mars Bars face off in a titanic confrontation!!!

Damn, we Americans are getting ripped off - the UK bars have far more caramel, it seems. But then again, we get the nuts in the US, UK don't get no nuts.

I wonder if you could do a magick ritual eating a Mars bar tonight while looking at Mars in the sky, asking Mars/Ares to boost your power of initiative, your creative force, your aggression (in positive productive ways, of course). I recently read that Mars is not only "war" but also healthier forms of agression - i.e. male sexuality and the power of initiative, power of persuasion and drive to meet your goals, etc.

Who's your Tzaddi?

21:12 / 27.08.03

Odd. Today being the 27th - "Mars Day". I was pondering the difference in estmated distances reported of the red planet from earth and the discrepencies. Suddenly, an ice cream truck the word "MARS" (as in the candybar) pulls in front of the bus I'm riding, near causing an accident.

What are the plans for today? I'm charging up all my Mars governed magical items ...stones...herbs...swords. etc.

21:15 / 27.08.03

yes I'm also wondering how to celebrate Mars tonight. maybe smoke some DMT?
Defintely will get myself a mars bar!

My buddy has a decent telescope, I'll try to get him motivated to set it up....

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