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New X-Men #148

 
  

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Quireboy
10:14 / 11.10.03
MAJOR SPOILERS




You've been warned ...




OK well this issue makes it clear who 'dies' in NXM150 - as if you haven't already guessed, given the cover of 150 shows Wolverine's claws over Jean's chest...

As you see in the previews Jean and Logan are trapped in Asteroid M heading straight for the sun. Jean talks about her growing powers and the Phoenix. She says it burns through things that don't work. Logan says she can create a new universe with that power. But Jean says she is still human and not powerful enough to survive in space without a space suit/oxygen,etc.

As they get nearer the sun, Jean says she may not survive. She says the Phoenix might be here to judge her (as well as the rest of the world) and fears if she lets it get too close it will replace her.

As they near the surface of the sun, Jean tries to channel the Phoenix but it is too hot and she can't concentrate. Logan cradles her in his arms and apologies that he can't ease her pain - only take it away. He stabs her through the chest with his claws, then caries her to an open hatch. The intense heat is melting everything - including Jean's flesh. She is engulfed by flame - and a close up of Wolverine's eyes shows the Phoenix raptor reflected in them.

So Jean dies to be born again. But the issue leaves you in doubt whether there'll be anything left of her humanity when she transforms into Phoenix. (There is no Dana only Zool, indeed.)

We also get some big hints about the Phoenix's 'dissinfection' of mutantkind in NXM150.

Magneto reveals he is going to reverse the poles ... but will need kick to do it.

The crowds of mutants are baying for more action ... some are shown taking kick.

(I.e all mutantkind is showing the toxic levels of aggression mentioned by the Shi'ar.)

Other points:

Esme is going to use Cerebra to track the missing X-Men.

Beak is put in charge of public executions of 'homo inferior'.

I expect the next issue will focus on Beast, Emma, Scott and Fantomex.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
17:19 / 11.10.03
But if Wolverine shoves his claws into Jean's chest now... doesn't that mean she dies in this issue?
How can she die (or does she metamorphosise into Phoenix?) in this issue and die again in 150? I get the Phoenix from the ashes thing but why go through the effort of killing her again?
I'm still a bit confused although I can see the resurrection idea being played out here.
Hmmm... well nevermind. I'm sure we'll get there eventually.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:07 / 11.10.03
Rawkusboi, are you just not considering that you're way off the mark re: 150?

Maybe Jean-as-human dies, and she merges with the Phoenix. The Jean we once knew would be gone forever, but she still exists as the Phoenix. Dead and not dead.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
09:54 / 12.10.03
Ok but Jean dying and being reborn as Phoenix isn't exactly "dying". Its a bit of a cheat.
But I think thats what Grant is doing in THIS issue when he has Wolvie claw her so she can transform so that idea is already done. Why feel the need to do it again in two issues time?
Perhaps GM IS copying the Dark Phoenix saga to its original logical conclusion but if Scott has to choose between Jean and Emma in issue 150 AND 154 how can Jean be dead?

It feels like a riddle and although I know the basic answer I can't flesh out the explanation for how I came to that answer.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:01 / 12.10.03
I have a feeling these "choices", at least in Here Comes Tomorrow, will be history discovered by the New X-Men during their attempts to save the world or whatever.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:36 / 12.10.03
Just read this in the Leeds Travelling Man. Great.

STOP, IF YOU DON'T WANNA BURN FROM THE GLOCK (SPOILERS)



Loved how this tied in with Origin. Wolverine just keeps having to kill the ones he loves, huh? And he knows the truth now.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:32 / 12.10.03
I'm just happy that we've got a bit of tit/claw action going on. Haus should sue.
 
 
Quimper
19:57 / 15.10.03
I think this might be the best written NXM issue Grant has done yet. The relationship between Wolverine and Phoenix has never been richer. There are so many gorgeous moments between the two, culminating in the end.

SPOILERS! DON'T PEEK!


Jean's last thoughts were of Scott. She gets very Sting-esque with the whole "I love him, so I set him free in this time of tumultuous change" thing. I'm noticing the whole "It's the same, but the opposite" theme going on in this book. Cassie/Xavier. Xorn/Magneto. Esme/Emma. Cerebro/Cerebra. Killing Jean on purpose/Killing Rose by accident. Being a mutant/Being a human. Becoming Phoenix while entering earth/Becoming Phoenix while leaving earth. Hell, reversing the poles of the earth.

Now matter how different, it's all the same. Invisibles. New X-Men. There's your precious esoterism! Bwah! Ha! Ha! Ha!
 
 
quinine92001
22:21 / 15.10.03
Spoiled Eggs


this issue lived up to the hype! Magneto's exchange with Xavier impotent and whiny until he inhales kick. Toad the voicebox behind the throne. Beak set in charge of Homo inferior executions. and a very touching sequence with Logan and Jean. If anyone reads Uncanny X-men 137 Wolvie attempts to kill Jean for the 2nd time by throwing Colossus at her and all the while he regrets killing her when she was the Dark Phoenix, now he regrets having to kill her to release the Phoenix Force. Now they have come full circle. Brilliant imagery of Logan and Jean walking into the whiteness of the Sun, and why did Jean have her head in Wolvie's lap? Was this another one of Wolverine's survivial methods(example eating a strip of flesh while buried under a glacier) to regain vital fluids that had been lost due to dehydration? I know I know it was all innocent but I thought I would throw it out there before someone else did. All in all Morrison at his best, this issue rivals anything that Claremont has ever written.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:40 / 16.10.03
I don't think Jean was doing the sucky-sucky-long-time with Logan in that scene, if that's what you mean.

I liked this issue a lot, though it's a little strange to me that all these characters are isolated in the sense that they're not really interacting with each other. There's this big conflict but we don't see Mags interact with anyone other than his own merry little band (and the Xavier taunts ain't interaction since Charlie doesn't respond), and Jean & Logan are isolated up on Asteroid M. It's a huge story about conflict but the two sides still haven't come into contact with each other - just these little pockets of character on both sides.

The art is great, esp. the final pages dissolving into light, but some of the inking on Wolvie's face and chest seemed a bit off to me. I sense Marvel corrections artists at work - either that or some sloppy inking. Some of the Mags face shots looked a bit strange, too.

Wow, Mags really comes off as a totally clueless loser here. 'What will you do once you conquer the world?' indeed. I loved his contemptuous muttering "Shakespearean stuff." But he really has no idea what to do next, does he? Esme's hero worship/infatuation with Magnus, and her insecure immature blurtings, are pretty funny. Angel hasn't said anything in 2 issues, what's up with that?

I look forward to seeing what's up with Scott, Emma, Hank, etc. - not seeing them for 3 issues gets a little annoying for me. But I liked this issue a lot. We just need to see the Mags stuff progress beyond Mags sitting around ranting but clueless and aimless.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:32 / 16.10.03
grim for me. grim for xmen. huge stuff about trust.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:39 / 16.10.03
This is the best one yet. Four stars!
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
19:43 / 16.10.03
I agree. Great ep. Still not as good as E is for Extinction, but what is?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
19:45 / 16.10.03
Also, I picked up a mint condition #114 for £4.99 today (just to have grant's first issue). Did I get a good deal?
 
 
Krug
03:51 / 17.10.03
Every single issue has paled after E is for Extinction.

This was a definite improvement because of the ending.

Can't say I actually care about Jean or Woleverine or that their long lovely talk did anything for me but the gutting and the whiteness...
That made it worthwhile.
Pages/Panels being dissolved into light are really my favourite thing in comics.

The best has to be Bernard/Bernard hugging as the whiteness approaches in Watchmen 11. Almost as good was Dane staring into the blank badge (iirc) in "Down and Out in Heaven and Hell" and Yeowell hitting us with the blank page right after.

Sorry to ask this here but..

Why in heaven's name didn't the two Steves (Parkhouse and Yeowell) do more issues of Invisibles?
 
 
Krug
04:04 / 17.10.03
Smiled at the Steve King tribute.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:20 / 17.10.03
Hah! I knew I recognized that title. Nice one, Grant. It's all about eating yourself.

Hey Harold Bloom, have you met my friend D?

DEEEEEZ NUUUUUUUTS!
 
 
Aertho
13:34 / 17.10.03
I was thinking this the other day about the "Planet X" arc...

Have you ever used the term "He/She lives on her own planet" to describe someone's egocentricity or drive? The focus shift from each issue in Plaent X seems to me to reflect this in its way. 146 seemed to break all the orbitting moons away from Xavier, who's own planet was shattered with the realization of Xorn. Magneto's issue in 147 was all about his self-centered "war". 148 is the far an away planet that Jean and Wolverine are each on and how they have connected because of them.

The whole Year 2 of NXM was the development of X-memes without the polemic focus of Magneto's presence in Xavier's life. They were able to create a new world without petty battles. Now we are seeing Magneto build HIS new world without the polemic influence of the X-Men. And he's beginning to see that no one BUT the X-Men understand his reasons and ambition, and without them for validation, he's alone. Thoughts?
 
 
Quireboy
14:16 / 17.10.03
Yes the pages and panels dissolving into light were great - definitely one of the best issues of Morrison's run. the pacing and atmosphere were spot on.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:17 / 17.10.03
Who's Steve King? Is this issue title a song by this Steve King or something like that?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:26 / 17.10.03
Stephen King. He wrote short story called "Survivor Type" about eating.

Harold Bloom is still a douche.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:31 / 17.10.03
Chesed,

Spot on. I think you've well summed up Planet X thus far, and it really confirms the Clarmontia about the story thus far. A keen focus on one set of characters or relationships in each issue of an arc, as the story progresses in the background, and letting it all build up to an orgiastic double-sized conflagration of everything. 150 is going to be massive in every way.

And the planet metaphor fits perfectly.

I also think you've hit on the key thematic hook of the arc; how badly Magneto needs Xavier, and, really how badly every thing in Morrison's entire run has needed its antithesis to survive. From Mummudrais to the Riot to, well, it's on every page.

It's about "In" and "Out".
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:30 / 17.10.03
Taking into account how much I've generally disliked the turn X-Men has taken I did like this issue somewhat. Magneto's definitely finding it difficult running the world, whether he'll go out in a blaze of glory to avoid having to deal with the day to day of running an Empire or whether he'll go back to being Xorn again...

I wish Morrison would explain why the Special Class are hanging out with Magneto. Certainly they grew to trust Xorn, they've all had a pretty shit life but it seems unlikely they'd want to be Magneto's new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Angel and Beak would have surely taken off, I can't see either world domination or fighting Magneto being particularly appealing. And as for putting Beak in charge of executing humans, that just shows how out of it Magneto is getting, I'd be more worried if Magneto put Captain America in charge of executing humans. I can accept that Morrison is ignoring all the other superhumans on the planet, but what about the other X-Teams? We can assume that Magneto didn't have anything to do with the attack on his country but his sudden return to full power, his discovery by the X-Men being all due to 'his followers in China'... there doesn't seem to be enough time.

I did like the interaction between Logan and Jean, though Logan's whole 'I'm just a killer' shock is frankly bobbins. He's been a soldier in black ops for who knows how many years, he was horrifically tortured and experimented on, had his brain fiddled with ten ways from Sunday and found a family he can rely on in the X-Men. This mental breakdown just doesn't ring true.

But I did like Grant's retcon of the Phoenix, seeming to suggest a link with Jean that was always going to happen, regardless of that whole thing with the Space Shuttle. But how does that explain it fixing the M'kraan crystal or the whole Dark Phoenix saga? Grant seems intent on just ignoring continuity when it doesn't suit him. But the end as the space station melts about them was very well done.

Mixed to cloudy.
 
 
diz
17:52 / 17.10.03
i'm starting to really, really like what i'm hoping is happening with

Xorn never "really" existed. however, Xorn existed to those who knew him. now, he "exists" as a simulacrum, in a sense.

he's essentially like No-Girl, who, if this ends up being true, was a weird sort of foreshadowing. he doesn't really exist, but he exists in the minds of the Special Class, and is "real" to the degree that the Special Class agrees to pretend that he's still real.

or, more to the point, he's now like Magneto when Magneto was "dead." Quicksilver's point about how his father was potentially more dangerous as an idea than he ever was as a flesh-and-blood villain you could fight and defeat applies equally to Xorn.

the Xorn meme seems to have slipped out of Magneto's control, and may have taken a life of its own.

his discovery by the X-Men being all due to 'his followers in China'

you know, this line made me wonder: how delusional is Magneto? is it possible that the people who helped him set up the Xorn thing just blew a bunch of smoke up his ass about how inspiring he was, and presented him with the Xorneto plan for reasons of their own, and he fell for it? he seems like the type of guy who would take the appearance of cultlike adoration at face value, and anyone who knew that about him could take him for quite a ride without him having the faintest clue.

wow, if that's true, that would be really sad. sadder than Mags is right now, even.

I did like the interaction between Logan and Jean, though Logan's whole 'I'm just a killer' shock is frankly bobbins. He's been a soldier in black ops for who knows how many years, he was horrifically tortured and experimented on, had his brain fiddled with ten ways from Sunday and found a family he can rely on in the X-Men

i'm not 100% sure i like how it's worked out either, but in all fairness, i think Logan has, perhaps, nurtured the idea that he was an innocent man before Weapon X/Plus got their hands on him, that all the killing and such was the result of Something That They Did To Him. he seems to have cast himself as the victim for a long time, and the Weapon Plus files seem to have stripped him of that illusion.
 
 
rexpop
01:32 / 18.10.03
Chesed pretty much hit the nail on the head, and pretty much matches my thoughts on the run and the themes that run through it. It's all about Yin and Yang, and one without the other is meaningless.

With Magneto gone, Xavier had his chance to make his dream a reality and he basically blew it. He just couldn't deliever. He kept on promising but never came up with anything, hence the push back of people like Quinten Quire when the dream never became reality.

Now the roles have been reversed. Xavier and the X-Men are out of picture, and Magneto has a chance to push his agenda. And guess what, he's going to blow it as well for pretty much the same reasons. He can't deliver either. One of the many high points of this issue where Magneto is taunting Xavier on his failure to inspire, not realizing that he is making the same mistakes as Xavier did.

Basic Yin and Yang. Without the other present neither has any focus or definition to justify their point of view.

I have to admit, the writer than follows Morrison has been left a whole smorgasbord of ideas to work with (Xavier and Magneto reevaluating their dreams, the Scott, Emma and Jean relationship, the growing culture of Mutants as the human race approaches extinction etc), that Grant has setup and has the potential to redefine the franchise and keep things fresh for the next couple of years with new ideas. Sadly, we know we are going to get a talentless hack like Chuck Austen, and before we know it will be back to the nineties dross.
 
 
Quireboy
09:11 / 18.10.03
Someone else has noticed the parallel between two speeches made by Jean and Magneto. I'm reposting them as they tie in with the whole yin and yang/in and out idea of NXM:

Jean NXM123:

"Sixteen million of our people died in Genosha. That's sixteen million possible cures for cancer or AIDS gone. Sixteen million potential Shakespheares, Einsteins, Kurt Cobains, lost forever. But right here, at the Xavier Institute, we have twelve year old autistic savants who can talk to atoms in their own language. Here, we still believe in the future. We're not training mutant terrorists, but mutant artists and scientists. We're giving the world mutant musicians, mutant politicians, mutant doctors and athletes. Our telepaths can voyage into the human mind and free people of ancient, destructive behavior patterns. Humans and
mutants are branches of the same evolutionary tree. Our roots are planted in the same soil, we breathe the same air and the very idea that we should fight is absurd; it's like one finger fighting another. We're tired of hiding and running. We've endured the worst the world can offer and survived. All of us, humans and mutants, have to spend the rest of our lives in the future. Let's get together and make it a nice place to live."

Magneto NXM147:

"Sixteen million mutants were exterminated in Genosha. Sixteenmillion potential warriors, leaders, scientists! Murdered by Man. Unable to fly, unable to burrow or crawl without the aid of machine monsters, the human germ threatens all life. With it's cringing fear of everything it cannot understand, with it's greed for oil to power the machines it needs to survive, the human disease has consumed the world! Unchecked! I am Magneto. I do not issue demands here today. Nothing the humans do can change what is to happen. Nature itself has triggered an extinction sequence in the human genome... Humankind is dying! As the agents of evolution, we mutants must deliver the mercy stroke. Xavier and his X-Men wanted us to build bridges between man and mutant! But we can fly and swim and leap! We have no need for bridges! We have no need for human laws or human opinions. Or human beings."

This issue set ups the inevitable collission of these philosophies in NXM150 - the 'dissinfection' of mutantkind's 'toxic levels of aggression' - i.e. kick - mentioned by the Shi'ar.

The one thing that initially bothered me about Planet X was how Magneto, after spending months at the mansion watching Xavier slowly lose his grip on the new generation of mutants and setting up his coup, could so quickly begin to lose control. But the continued presence of that Xorn mask suggests that Magneto has failed to realise that he needs a pacifist side. He needs Charles, or to embrace his Xorn persona, because without that balance chaos and bloodshed ensues.

In the same way, Esme failed to realise she needed Sophie (and the other Cuckoos). Without them she has become what she esposes to hate - the new White Queen (at her machiavellian worst). This will surely be her downfall.

This idea has greatest significance - in terms of this story at least - with regards to the relationship between Jean and the Phoenix. The implication of this issue - and the Murder arc - is that Jean's humanity tempers the raw power of the Phoenix - without her compassion it will be as merciless as the Shi'ar warned. The question we're left with at the end of the issue poses is whether there will be anything left of Jean when the Phoenix is reborn, or will it replace her?
 
 
The Falcon
14:40 / 18.10.03
No-one seems to have mentioned the reflection in Logan's eyes on the second-last page; Jean's already become the Phoenix. But it's a different Phoenix than the Claremont one.
 
 
Aertho
16:12 / 18.10.03
This idea has greatest significance - in terms of this story at least - with regards to the relationship between Jean and the Phoenix. The implication of this issue - and the Murder arc - is that Jean's humanity tempers the raw power of the Phoenix - without her compassion it will be as merciless as the Shi'ar warned. The question we're left with at the end of the issue poses is whether there will be anything left of Jean when the Phoenix is reborn, or will it replace her?

No-one seems to have mentioned the reflection in Logan's eyes on the second-last page; Jean's already become the Phoenix. But it's a different Phoenix than the Claremont one.


No-one seems to have mentioned that everyone who's anyone is becoming an idea. Xavier is realizing that he's always only been an idea in opposition to Magneto's. And Magneto's beginning to realize the same. QQ is made of faster-than-lightspeed energy. No-Girl is still conceptual. Xorn is turning into a meme. And now Jean's body is dead, and beyond being afraid of her replacement. The Phoenix is free, but I really don't think its going to be "merciless". Claremont's Phoenix was the extrapolation of a young girl with too much power pouring out of her head and in need of spiritual fulfillment. Morrison's Phoenix is a grown woman with too much worldly understanding to be bothered with "corruption" or "destruction". I really don't think its humanity's compassion that holds back the Phoenix. I think it's humanity's fear.
 
 
Quireboy
16:23 / 18.10.03
SPOILERS


Well the implication of Morrison's comments on Here Comes Tomorrow (the final arc) is that Jean isn't replaced, at least not entirely. But I see your point.
 
 
Quireboy
16:27 / 18.10.03
And I think it's pretty clear from the Murder arc - after Jean used the Phoenix force to revive Emma - that this isn't going to be a story of cosmic destruction. The Phoenix force seems to be like the universe's immune system, burning away infections - like the toxic agression Magneto has created.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:50 / 19.10.03
Well, it's not just the panel with the reflection of the Phoenix in Logan's eyes - Jean is being awoken in the panel immediately before it.

I wonder what's going on with Scott, Fantomex, Emma, and Henry. I get the feeling that in the next issue, we're going to be dealing with a lot of the things we haven't been able to figure out. Like, how does Weapon Plus and Dr. Sublime fit into this? I'm excited. And I really miss Henry and Emma. I love those two.

Weird how most of you really loved this issue, and weren't too crazy about the previous issue. I kinda feel the opposite - last issue was really rewarding, I thought it was really well observed and amusing. This issue was more dramatic, but it didn't entertain me very much.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:53 / 19.10.03
Actually, you know, it makes sense - a lot of the people who seem to like this issue are of the let's-find-the-subtext variety, and the Magneto issue was more character-based, and that's probably why I liked it more. I tend to get pretty bored with the cosmic stuff, I'd rather read an issue full of Magneto embarassing himself and proving himself to be a fool.
 
 
DaveBCooper
09:08 / 20.10.03
Flux, I hope you're right - there seems to be a lot going on which hasn't been fully explained in the pages of the comic, Magneto's Xornvestism being the prime element there.

Still can't help but feel that the events in New York may well all be in Maggy's head or similar - it feels kind of thin in terms of sense of devastation or whatever (compare it, as ever with Zenith, or even the destruction of London in Marvelman). Not much of a feeling of things really having happened, if you know what I mean, so I can't help but wonder if the NY stuff is all taking place in his head, whilst the Logan/Jean stuff is a real offshoot of that, happening in the material world. A friend of mine suggested a similar thing about the film Mulholland Drive and its diverse plot elements, and how some of them might be a film within the film or whatever. I wonder if that's what's going on here.

And I miss Scott, Henry and Emma too - feel that Grant's rather thrown out the pacing in the last couple of issues and let their situation drop off the radar. Unless they're just plain dead, which would be interesting...
 
 
Quimper
13:53 / 20.10.03
Emma and Hank better not be dead. I want Esme to don Cerebra and then almost immediately, UNGH! A telepathic thought balloon that says, "Got you, you little wretch." It's Emma. I want a repeat of the first Cassie/Xavier Cerebra scene from Part 1 of E is for Extinction with Emma as Cassie and Esme as Xavier.
 
 
Quimper
14:23 / 20.10.03
SPOILERS FOR UPCOMING ISSUES!!!


It's quite interesting that the preview page of Cassie from Here Comes Tomorrow features her carrying Martha. It is also quite interesting that she bears a striking resemblence to a member of the special class—one who is fixated with the idea of Xorn and is also seen carrying Martha. I think there is precious little we know about precious little Ernst...if that is her real name.
 
  

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