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Yet Another Jenny Everywhere Thread

 
  

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Nelson Evergreen
14:57 / 03.08.03
Fucking hell. A Jenny Everywhere Videogame Concept has just appeared in my head. Now I have to go and spend lots of valuable time thinking long and hard about it.
 
 
grant
00:05 / 06.08.03
Odd. Right now, I'm feeling a haiku coming on. Something about archery, I think.

What's the videogame like?

Oh, and moriarty, I can't get over the Old West dinosaur thing. I think I can picture a full 28-pg story on that one. Involving Comanches and Sleestaks. And possibly a dirigible. From Austro-Hungarian Mexico.
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:49 / 08.08.03
Hey grant, a three panel, illustrated haiku would make for an interesting comic strip.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:32 / 08.08.03
That's a really cool idea, Imp -- I'd be up for drawing one of those (once I finish my full story for you)! It'd be nice and quick to do a short piece like that.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:50 / 08.08.03
Hey Moriarity, since I came into the Shifter project sort of midway throught, care to recap the story of Jenny E's origin? All I know is that you created her (and now I know that she was partly inspired by your friend Krew's girlfriend?) and I think somewhere you said you gave up rights to her (so anyone could use her?). Was it you alone who created her look? I can go back and look at old threads but I was also wondering if you want to come up with a new paragraph/bio for newcomers about how Jenny came on the scene. Just curious
 
 
moriarty
16:32 / 09.08.03
This was my first post about "The Shifter" (now known as Jenny Everywhere). It explains most of her origin and includes a link to the original sketches.

To recap, in the event that you don't follow the link, two of my friends approached me with a superhero comic they had been concocting. They wanted me to draw it. We spent an evening talking about it, where I helped them ditch a few characters, create a few new ones, and rewrite it into a 6 issue epic. One of those changes was taking their vague "person with dimensional powers", switching the character's gender, adding aviator goggles and making her more of a carefree swashbuckler to round out the rest of the group. Her powers were specified to make her exist in all dimensions at once, something that would be revealed in the final issue. There was one issue in particular that I still think of fondly. Probably the best superhero thing I ever thought of, which isn't really saying much.

Because of this involvement, my friends were convinced that I was going to draw this comic for them. Unfortunately, I didn't really have much interest in spending such a huge amount of time on something I didn't write myself. Happily, both of them are still friends, and they have promised to contribute Jenny strips. One of the other characters from the comic is even going to be the main character in KREW's novel.

My former roommate "C+H" (KREW's girlfriend) had a number of Japanese fashion magazines in the bathroom. Flipping through one, I came across a model who reminded me of the Shifter and I made some sketches. C+H is one of the most gung-ho, fun-loving people I have ever met, and became a kind of side inspiration for the Shifter in personality, body type and ethnicity. I don't think I've ever seen her without a smile on her face.

The Shifter was filed away until Tom brought up the idea of an open source character. I looked into the idea, and found that most people trying this attached all sorts of stipulations to their characters, like having to acknowledge the original creators somewhere, send the original creators copies, not do anything risque, etc. Fuck that. I suggested the Shifter as a possibility, though I assumed that someone else would come up with a different character to replace her. Instead, we changed the name, tweaked her a little, and started to roll.

Absolutely none of the above is even close to being necessary in using Jenny. I hope that one day my own small contribution will have been forgotten, and Jenny will live on independent of her initial creation.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:30 / 10.08.03
Cool, thanks moriarity. Seriously, not to get all mushy or anything, but I love Jenny E. a lot and I'm very happy that she came into this world. I'm having a blast of a time drawing one of Imp's scripts, and it's been such fun to watch the character take shape here on Barbelith. All the stories that have been done with her have been terrific, and it's very exciting the word about Jenny spreading over the web and among other comic artists. I think you've really got something here; both the fun of the character & her design and the open source idea, which is very cool and very generous of you.
 
 
moriarty
06:38 / 13.08.03
I should have 500+ copies of the sampler ready as of this weekend. There was a good chance I wasn't going to be able to make it to the convention, but I think I've smoothed everything out. I'll try to get the word out about the Jenny strip this weekend as well.
 
 
sleazenation
12:05 / 13.08.03
So, what are the details on the jenny sampler? - what order are the stories in, how many pages? will a pdf be available? I'm curious.
 
 
sleazenation
12:06 / 13.08.03
oh yeah and what's on the cover?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:37 / 13.08.03
Wait, did I just dream that post from moriarty about the politics of Jenny and her male authors? That was fantastic stuff, I'd really like to discuss it at some point...
 
 
moriarty
14:17 / 13.08.03
You were dreaming... Go back to sleep...

I can't write theory for shit, Fly. So I had it deleted until such time as I could find the right words. If you want to resurrect it, be my guest.
 
 
moriarty
14:22 / 13.08.03
Oops. Sorry, Sleaze.

I haven't figured out the exact order yet. I'm working on that this weekend. It should be 16 pages, and contain The Late Shift, My Bloody Valentine, and Name's Not Down. So far as I know, it won't be in pdf form because all these stories are already available online. If anyone wants to make their own sampler, they can just ask the respective owners for permission and go to it. If you're set on printing up your own, I can send unstapled sheets to you. However, I have a real cheap place to make photocopies, which allows me to give the sampler away, so you may have to change the cover price.
 
 
Tamayyurt
05:23 / 14.08.03
moriarty, I thought you were gonna include your 24 hour comic? I thought I had read that somewhere... The few pics i've seen of it look great.
 
 
lentil
11:35 / 14.08.03
So did those super-hi-res files of MBV come out OK?
 
 
FinderWolf
14:34 / 14.08.03
Moriarity, I would love to see your 24-hour comic. Can you give us a link to it?

Also, here's a Jenny-related art question. I notice when I'm doing pages, when I erase my pencils after I've inked them, they very often smear a little bit. Also, because I tend to lean the side of my hand against the page a bit when I draw, that creates some smears also. I've taken to putting a buffer piece of paper between my hand and the drawing (at the side of my hand area where it sometimes smears). But letting the ink dry for even many hours still causes it to smear when I erase the pencil marks, even with a kneaded eraser or a regular pencil eraser. I know there are blue pencils that don't show up in reproductions, but I like to see how the art looks entirely without pencils.

I doubt there's some new kind of ink or drawing/inking technique that can help me eliminate smearing from my art, but I just wanted to ask and put it out there. The smearing is never really that bad, but it's just annoying, and it's annoying to have to go over every page with lots of little whiteout touch-ups once I'm done drawing it. It can also smear the lettering, which is annoying because that's really hard to touch up with whiteout without fucking up the lettering even more.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Oh, and I don't ink with brushes, I use pens/markers - mostly thin marker pens.
 
 
lentil
08:38 / 15.08.03
Hmmm, I don't know what to suggest really. I ink with brushes and india ink, and that never smears. Perhaps the best thing to do is just compare pens with different ink types, there may be a difference between, say, permanent and water-based inks. My other suggestion would be that if you're using Photoshop you tidy up mistakes using that rather than on the page itself, cos then you can zoom right in and get really exact.

Having said that I generally prefer to correct my mistakes on the page!
 
 
dlotemp
23:56 / 15.08.03
I've found that pens seem to have an associated smear factor so it is best to have some strategies in place to avoid the problem.

At one time, I used the blue non-reproduction pencils to layout and pencil my comics and the results were so-so. They didn't have the nice gradient weight of the various leaded pencils and the lines were difficult to read sometimes. I was confident with my brush inking so I really wanted a clear, weighted pencil line and the I dumped the blue pencils. Still, they don't show up when you photocopy or scan so you eliminate the need for erasing.

In general, I'm with MC Lentil and prefer the brush. You just can't match the brush for it's ability to give nice weighted lines. And the india ink rarely smears.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:25 / 16.08.03
Thanks for all your comments and suggestions - I think I'm not quite ready for brushes at this point so I'm just gonna go with what I got and be extra-careful; I'll just touch things up with whiteout as I go. I might want to scan the pages in and clean them up with Photoshop when I'm done.
 
 
moriarty
16:50 / 16.08.03
I'm writing this at the computer labs at my school, where I just finished printing off MC's crisp high-res pages. I made the mistake of transporting one of Nelson's pages on an unformatted disc, so I'll have to go home and come back tomorrow. Otherwise, all is ready for the copy place.

While here, I also printed off another book and a half by Andrew Loomis. Great stuff.

Can't help on the marker front, as I tend to go with a brush as well. I use colour pencils in school, so I'm used to them by now, though I still use the lead ones in my comics for old times' sake. I had a brush pen, which was the greatest thing ever, but it was borrowed and never returned. My attempt at a 24-hour comic (which will never see the light of day) was done in marker, but I just ignored mistakes because I didn't have the time.
 
 
moriarty
03:19 / 29.08.03
Quick update.

Copies of the Jenny Everywhere free sampler were made available at various zine-friendly stores in Toronto and Ottawa. At the convention, I gave them to people in line, dropped some off at the sign-up table, and saved a few for artists' alley, not to mention the ones I handed out on the street.

Also, Baz has informed me that the issue of Exclaim with the Jenny article has hit the streets.
 
 
sleazenation
06:31 / 29.08.03
so are we going to be able to link to the exclaim story?
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:34 / 29.08.03
The website hasn't been updated yet, but I'm assuming it will be in the next couple of days... eh, what the heck. I need to get my typing skills back in shape for school, so here it is:

Page 21, September issue of Exclaim! magazine. www.exclaim.ca

"The pinstripe world of corporately-owned superheroes is about to get shattered by a time-bomb named the Sifter. This sassy superheroine was born in a colossal explosion of energy like many of her copyrighted cousins, but unlike Superman or the Hulk, she belongs wholly to the people.

The Shifter's mysterious open source origins can be traced back to a comic book discussion group hosted by hip UK-based webzine Barbelith.com Community administrator Tom Coates uttered a plea for rights-free characters 'that we declare can be used by anyone at any time in any format without there being anyone to give money to.'

Ottawa-based artist Steven "Mr. Moriarty" Wintle, one of the first to answer the call, was intrigued and motivated by the idea of a public domain superhero. 'I checked around to see what other people were doing,' says Wintle, 'and I was angered that people claimed to have open source characters, but they had all these strings attached. I'd have an easier time making my own character rather than deal with those fuckers.'

Wintle introduced the Shifter, aka Jenny Everywhere, to the Barbelith comic community, inspiring an outburst of collective creative energy. "It wasn't really my intention to force my character onto anyone," Wintle reflects. "I thought someone else would provide a better character and let me off the hook. But she took, and there you go.'

Jenny Everywhere exists in multiple dimensions simultaneously, allowing her to appear in limitless adventures without contradiction. 'Her powers are really just a McGuffin; quite a few people have penned stories that don't have her using them overtly," explains Wintle. "Many of her characteristics have changed since, and wil probably change as time goes on. Anyone can use her for any medium in any way they like, so long as they don't claim ownership over her.'

It's the only steadfast rule governing Jenny Everywhere, but there are voluntary guidelines to the character that attempt to bringsome sort of consistency to the mix: 'She has short, dark hair. She usually wears aviation goggles on top of her head and a scarf around her neck. Otherwise, she dresses in comfortable clothes. She is average size and has a good body image. She has loads of confidence and charisma. She appears to be Asian or Native American. She has a ready smile.' Wintle once compared her to a Tintin who listened to Le Tigre and had joined the Fantastic Four.

Today, Wintle mantains an unofficial producer-like role on the Shifter, but he's quick to emphasise the community effort behind the project. 'Anyone can make Jenny stuff without even talking to us,' Wintle says, pointing out that a pair of UK-based creators is already churning out a Jenny Everywhere zine. 'More power to them. In fact, since they've got the most done, I've seen reports that the character is theirs.'

Nelson Evergreen, the Shifter's best-known artist, has teamed up with fellow Brits Rob Cave and Joe "Flyboy" Mccare to bring a slew of Jenny Everywhere tales to both print and web comic enthusiasts. Evergreen's work is featured on what amounts to the only 'official' Jenny site to date, www.jennyeverywhere.com, as well as in a limited print-run comic book available in a handful of London and Brighton shops, but slowly trickling to North America.

'I'll carry on doing this for as along as Joe continues to deliver good scripts and I can find the time to illustrate them,' says Evergreen. 'There are several fine scripts currently jostling for attention at the website, and that's just the tip of the ice cube. Jenny won't really come into her own until she has a horde of different incarnations doing the rounds; that's when it's all going to get really interesting.'

'People constantly ask me how I could give up a piece of intellectual property so readily,' says Jenny creator Wintle. 'The truth of it is that she would have been packed away and grown mouldy if I hadn't set her free.' With a growing number of stories in print and on online, the Shifter's momentum is indisputable, blasting away Wintle's initial expertations and opening an open source avenue most comic creators hadn't previously considered. Wintle hopes not only to infect the world wih Jenny Everywhere enthusiasm but give something back to storytellers that corporate comics can't compete with: A hero by the people, forever for the people.

Interested artists and writers can find simple guidelines, helpful suggestions, and existing Jenny Everywhere comic pages at www.jennyeverywhere.com.

Tony Walsh
 
 
Tamayyurt
00:10 / 30.08.03
Went to the link... Man, it was kinda cool seeing Jenny's face up on the main page with all those other famous people. Made me smile.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
08:11 / 30.08.03
Absolutely. I feel sunny. Tony did a great job.

Here's to the first of many, eh?
 
 
lentil
16:43 / 01.09.03
Yeah, that was excellent. That last paragraph in particular has me roused. Jenny truly is righteous in any sense of the word you care to use.
 
 
Sax
07:32 / 02.09.03
Wow. Jenny's landed.

Now if only Kit-Cat Club would draw The Death of Jenny Everywhere...
 
 
blackbeltjones
14:45 / 02.09.03
Jenny Everywhere just made boingboing.net

http://boingboing.net/2003_09_01_archive.html#106249970128492354
 
 
moriarty
16:32 / 02.09.03
My former roommate Kev (the boyfriend of one of the original inspirations for Jenny) sent them the link.

Thanks again, Tony. You made me seem far less goofy then I actually sound.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:20 / 02.09.03
This is very cool. Jenny will soon conquer our multiverse!
 
 
The Falcon
01:31 / 03.09.03
Also, here: at MillarWorld.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:39 / 03.09.03
Also here, what?
 
 
Sax
09:14 / 03.09.03
To bring us down to earth a bit, posts from boing boing:

Merz: Sounds like Moorcock's Jerry Cornelius or the Cthulhu Mythos, only really really dull.


Noted_Scientist: Too bad that fucking website can't be viewed in Netscape. Fix your IE centric crap JavaShits.

Plus the sniggering about the web domain "queer granny" on Millarworld. Sheesh.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
09:32 / 03.09.03
Anyone else get the feeling Merz is missing the point a little? Surely the point of an open source character is that you can make it interesting yourself?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
10:32 / 03.09.03
Well, yes - the entire point of the concept is that the basics are incredibly simple, and people add their own backstory and so on. There isn't a "mythos" or any kind of in-built fantastical element to Jenny, so to a certain, er, demographic of comics fandom I'm sure she does seem dull. All I'll say is that there are plenty of comics out there for those kind of people, and I hope they're very happy together.

It's a very good article, anyway. I was feeling quite guilty about failing to get back to Tony - I'd blame work, but it was mostly my own lameness/lack of ability to articulate things - but moriarty and Nelson have done a great job of getting the idea across. Nice one.
 
  

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