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rizla mission
18:27 / 19.07.03
I've been on a big Neil Young kick in the past few months.

It began when I heard the Flaming Lips cover of "After the Goldrush" and thought it was one of the most wonderful songs I'd ever heard.

And a few days later a nice man at a stall in the market sold me the LP of that name for £5. The whole album is just inexpressibly wonderful.

Frequent HMV sales mean I know have a whole bunch of Neil Young stuff, varying from "Everybody Know this is Nowhere" which is also inexpressibly wonderful to "Neil Young" and "Harvest", which I reckon are flawed but still pretty special, to "Tonight's the Night" which doesn't really connect with me at all.

I love the way he seems to switch effortlessly between singing these beautiful, delicate, introspective songs and just rocking out mentally in front of stupidly big amplifier stacks - an ability I wholeheartedly salute.

I still have absolutely no idea of this guy's life or career path or any of the other things which make up a useful context to put records within, so I was just kinda wondering what the Barbelith opinion of old Neil is, what views people hold of his different releases, which of his multitude of albums are worth getting etc...
 
 
rizla mission
14:09 / 21.07.03
so nobody likes him then?

ok, who hates the old fucker?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:21 / 21.07.03
Neil Young's fucking ace. He may have become a reactionary old fuck, but at least he's become the survivalist kind. And they're always good when it comes to RAWK!

Joking aside... "Needle and the Damage Done" is quite possibly the BEST ever smack song (though it has yet to fight the Only Ones' "Another Girl, Another Planet")... "Cortez the Killer" just rocks on so many levels... and "Powderfinger"... WHOAH!!!

(And I have to admit to a certain frisson I'm actually far too old and far too socially responsible to be allowed to feel every time I remember that "Mansion on the Hill" is about the Spahn Ranch...)

"Sugar Mountain" always makes me cry. And I have ABSOLUTELY no idea why. It just does.
 
 
moriarty
14:42 / 21.07.03
I like Neil Young. I just don't really have anything substantial to add.

Saw him at the Canadian National Exhibition, where I scored some scalped tickets real cheap. Rushed the ground level with a bunch of hooligans, and whipped my hair around with a rastafarian for half the night. Young rocks harder than most people a third his age.

Saw a benefit concert where Alanis Morissette, Our Lady Peace, Kardinal Offishall, The Tragically Hip, Barenaked Ladies, Bruce Cockburn and a couple others covered Keep On Rockin' In the Free World. The Barenaked Ladies and Cockburn were the only ones who didn't embarass themselves. Cockburn playing the solos was intense.

I'll never forget his appearance on Saturday Night Live.

Young was in the band The Mynah Birds, with Rick "Superfreak" James.

I always thought that if they cut a few feet off his height he'd make a great Wolverine.

In 1982, Young recorded the album Trans, in which he sang through a vocoder. He took his electronic equipment with him on tour, and even sang duets with his own projected video image on stage.

Neil's father, Scott Young, co-wrote what is considered by many to be the worst Canadian movie of all time, Face Off. Take a second to let that sink in. The worst Canadian movie of all time. The story revolves around a hockey player who falls in love with a flower child. Many see it as Scott Young's statement against his son's career path. Scott Young also wrote a number of popular books on hockey for kids.

And that is everything I know about Neil Young.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
15:36 / 21.07.03
Riz, given your love of all things ROCK, you might want to ferret out his work with lovably inept backing band Crazy Horse. Rust Never Sleeps, Zuma, Live Rust, Arc Weld, Ragged Glory - you quite literally can't go wrong. (For fuck's sake keep listening to Tonight's the Night as well. It'll grow on you.)

I know lots of things about Neil Young (I'm not proud of it,) but I left my ersatz rock hack hat at home today, so that's all you're getting.
 
 
grant
16:51 / 21.07.03
He went on tour with Sonic Youth. The album of that tour (a double album) is called Weld. Talking with Thurston Moore about guitar noise, he compiled his favorite feedbacky bits and solos and crunchy intros, and edited them into Arc, which was a kind of promo extra. I've never gotten a copy of Arc, but have Weld on a couple cassettes.

Shortly before hearing about the Sonic Youth/Neil Young tour, two of my friends and I coincidentally formed a band called Kneeling Youth, which was built around Sonic Youth and Neil Young covers. Something in the 1990/91 zeitgeist was all about crunchy, head-crunching guitar rock.

I first turned into a Neil Young fan when I went on a road trip with my mother and sister in mom's new Camaro. It was the first car I'd ever seen with a tape deck. This must've been 1982 or so. We had three cassettes: Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition, Judy Collins' Judith and Neil Young Comes a Time.
The Neil Young was easily my favorite, and "Look Out for My Love" is still one of my favorite songs. It's so lonely and mysterious. Nowadays, looking back, that might be one of the world's most perfect alt.country albums, but at the time, it was just some rock dude doing country-ish songs.

I bought Trans shortly after it came out (got it used... there were lots of copies at the used stores). I loved the track I bought it for for a while, but then came to regard it as a dog of an album. Then Sonic Youth covered "Computer Age" on the On The Bridge tribute album (the same one the Flaming Lips did that song on... the Pixies. Psychic TV and Nick Cave are also on there). And rediscovered Trans. It's a great album, except for one sort of misguided song about being an Inca. In Peru. Which doesn't fit at all, and is basically a not-great revisioning of "Cortez the Killer" with some added psychedelia in it. Unfortunately, it takes up almost all of side two.

Neil Young embraces new sounds and new feelings.

The On The Bridge album was a tribute that sent proceeds to a children's charity. Neil Young has a kid with (I think) severe cerebral palsy, and in between doing the rock, has invented and patented electronic devices that make his son's life a little better. The one I know about was either a model train controller or else was built from a model train controller.

My parents used to live across the street from Neil Young's ex-father-in-law (he has a few, I think). He was not a Neil Young fan and insisted the man treated his daughter poorly. I didn't discuss it much with him.

Bob, who sits behind me at work, used to know Neil Young from the San Francisco folk-rock scene. I've seen photos of them together, looking sweaty and drunk in some nightclub. I don't think they were big buddies, though. The impression I get is that Mr. Young was a little unearthly even when not floating on a river of LSD.

At one point, I knew how to sing and play the entirety of "Last Trip to Tulsa," a song that clocks in at about 18 minutes, and is all Neil singing surreal lyrics with a kind of disjointed acoustic guitar part consisting of three chords. Maybe four, counting the chorus bit. I used to sing it to annoy friends.

"I used to be asleep, you know, with blankets on the bed.
I lay there for a while, till they discovered I was dead.
Well, the coroner was friendly, I liked him quite a lot.
If I hadn't have been a woman, I would never have been caught."

That kind of thing.

One of my other favorite Neil Young things is his cover of "On Broadway" on the Freedom live album. It's very grungy, and really points up the lyrics, which are actually about begging for change and living on the street.
 
 
at the scarwash
20:08 / 21.07.03
Ummm, besides completely concurring that Neil Young is the absolute cat's frilly sleepwear, I can add that the Bridge album was a charity for the Bridge School, founded by Young, I think, to help kids like his. Also, he is obsessed with model railways, and I believe holds controlling interest in the Lionel corporation.
 
 
rizla mission
16:11 / 22.07.03
Riz, given your love of all things ROCK, you might want to ferret out his work with lovably inept backing band Crazy Horse. Rust Never Sleeps, Zuma, Live Rust, Arc Weld, Ragged Glory - you quite literally can't go wrong.

Heard 'Like a Hurricane' off (I think) Live Rust on the radio, and it's literally unbelievable - I think anyone who tried to air guitar all the way through it would actually die of exhaustion.

Joking aside... "Needle and the Damage Done" is quite possibly the BEST ever smack song (though it has yet to fight the Only Ones' "Another Girl, Another Planet")...

'Another Girl, Another Planet' is, like, clearly the best song ever.. but how is it about smack? I thought it was about being a space adventurer! (You'll be telling me 'White Rabbit' isn't about Alice in Wonderland next..)

"Sugar Mountain" always makes me cry. And I have ABSOLUTELY no idea why. It just does.

Although I've not heard that particular song, I think that just about sums it up - somehow he just seems to refresh the emotional parts that other singers/song writers can't reach, even when you haven't got a clue what he's going on about..

The impression I get is that Mr. Young was a little unearthly even when not floating on a river of LSD.

Yeah - I remember John Peel saying on the radio that he met him when he was in Buffalo Springfield and he seemed like a nice guy and they got on well, and then a few years later Young visited Peel's house(!) as part of some kind of record company thing, and he just stared at the wall the whole time and refused to say a word. ("Cup of tea, Neil?" John recalls himself asking, somewhat brilliantly.)
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
19:36 / 22.07.03
Re Refreshing emotional parts...

He's claimed that his songs just pop into his head, that he has no memory of writing them and that he never knows what they're about, so maybe he's channeling them. Or something.

"I think anyone that tried to air guitar all the way through it would actually die of exhaustion"

Given that he can't really play, he does make a hell of a fucking noise. He refers to his (cough) 'axe' as Old Black, which I'm thinking is probably the best thing ever.

Heroin songs. I'm fond of Golden Brown by The Stranglers, and have just discovered by Carmelita by Warren Zevon. What about Hand of Doom by Sabbath? Tonight's the Night is a concept album about heroin - but you knew that.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
21:24 / 22.07.03
Oh and Chairman M, if you think Mansion on the Hill is Mansontastic, how's about Revolution Blues (from On the Beach.)

"I got the revolution blues, I see bloody fountains
And ten million dune buggies coming down the mountains
Well I heard that Laurel Canyon is full of famous stars
But I hate them worse than lepers, and I'll kill them in their cars."
 
 
grant
21:49 / 22.07.03
Oh, and another Neil Young filecard:

Back when Spin Magazine was cool, an interviewer once interviewed Neil Young with questions taken from Young's own lyrics.

"So, is it hard to make arrangements with yourself when you're old enough to repaint, but young enough to sell?"

It made for a great bit in the magazine.
 
 
moriarty
23:56 / 22.07.03
I think anyone who tried to air guitar all the way through it would actually die of exhaustion.

Bah! There isn't a song in all of rock that I cannot tame.
 
 
grant
15:44 / 19.08.03
There's a Rolling Stone interview about his new album/movie/show project, Greendale.

It's got some great stuff in it. One excerpt from the middle:

Which Greendale songs can you imagine playing a year or two from now, as part of a regular Neil Young show?

[Long pause] I don't know. Already, I've heard people saying, "This is worse than Trans."

That's cold.

Yeah, it is [grins]. But if I had the technology I have today when I did Tran, and the confidence in myself as a filmmaker, I could have told the whole Trans story the same way I've done this. I wanted to make videos for all of the songs, but the record company couldn't afford it. I should have done it myself. Then I could have taken better blame for Trans, because I would have presented it more fully.

In the Greendale song "Grandpa's Interview," you sing, "It ain't an honor to be on TV/It ain't a duty, either." Do you watch much TV? If so, what do you watch?


I sometimes watch TV, but I always end up getting narky, talking back to the screen, until I just turn it off. The Sci Fi Channel -- I'll go to that. I watch Star Trek. But these reality shows -- who are they kidding? What reality is that, with a camera on you all the time? How stupid are people?

Have you ever watched American Idol?

I got roped into watching it. I happened to be in a room where people were watching it one day. And that guy came on -- he was in Rolling Stone, on the cover.

Clay Aiken --

Yeah, Clay. You want my opinion? When I saw Clay on the cover of Rolling Stone, I thought, "Well, it's not Jerry Garcia. Things have really changed." We went from music and a movement -- people living the music and loving the message, the freedom.

Is there any current pop music that you like? What was the last record you bought?

A Jimmy Reed record. What I like to listen to is not pop music. I'm interested in the roots of the blues and folk music. I'm out of touch, a lost cause. You can write me off.


I used to think Trans was a dog of an album, too, but now I kinda like it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:46 / 19.08.03
You can write me off.

Consider it done.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
18:50 / 19.08.03
Ouch.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:18 / 19.08.03
Well, honestly. I do quite like some Neil Young tunes, but the juxtaposition of "stupid reality TV viewers!" and "I watch Star Trek!" is a bit much...
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:28 / 19.08.03
Trans kicks ass. As far as Neil Young as a filmaker, his HUMAN HIGHWAY film -- a semi-children's movie starring himself, devo, and Dennis Hopper, is fucking incredible.

On the Beach is my favorite of his albums, though there are so many good ones.

Young was in Buffallo Springfield before he put out his first album (the self titled one) -- i have one of their albums, the one with Mr. Soul (another kickass track) and its ace.

don't know why anyone wouldn't like Tonight's the Night, that album is high art. Its a tribute to his pal/roady who died of heroin at the end of the On the Beach sessions.

Out of the Blue is another great song, and was the title track to Dennis Hopper's movie of the same name. that came out the same year, or within a year, of human highway... i think those two psychos must have been having some kind of collaborative relationship at the onset of the 80s.

"Sleeps with Angels" was his tribute to Cobain (who he was trying to phone the die of the suicide but couldn't get in touch) and its a surprisingly great album.

"Broken Arrow" from a few years ago is another surprise, super crunchy guitars and some very peculiar moments.

there's really no one else remotely like him. i think his relationship with Sonic Youth makes sense, as both Young and SY are these sort of eternal fixtures in rock who exist slightly parallel to everyone else, and never fuck up enough that the integrity goes away.
 
 
rizla mission
20:15 / 19.08.03
Out of the Blue is another great song

I think I'm gonna write a will specially so I can demand it's played at my funeral.

I'd love to see the film, cos the dialogue Primal Scream sampled from it is fantastic, and I've got a massive soft spot for all those post-Easy Rider 70s hipster road movies.. (not that there are many, but I'd like to think they constitute some kind of genre..)
 
 
Mystery Gypt
22:28 / 19.08.03
Out of the Blue is an amazing movie... it's not a road movie at all... it's Dennis Hopper as a psycho abusive dad and Linda Manz (who was also in Days of Heaven, and then much later Gummo) as his Sid Vicious-worshipping daughter. i think the movie is partly about the 70s film aesthetic transforming into punk rock. and it was the first movie hopper directed after the ten year absence his aptly named "the Last Movie" caused.

btw, post-easy riders 70s road movies is a HUGE genre -- that movie made megabucks and had megainfluence.
 
 
Yagg
04:31 / 22.08.03
"Live Rust" is just fucking awesome. Used to fall asleep listening to the acoustic bit every night. That's really all I had to say.

Well, ok, maybe not: When I was just learning guitar, I found that playing along with live Neil Young stuff was a very encouraging exercise. He's the king of absolute slop live. I've seen him do acoustic sets where he was Joe Precise and obviously very skilled, but when he and Crazy Horse turn the amps up to 11, it's just a kill-or-be-killed riff-o-rama. He stomps around the stage with that stiff-armed playing style like he wants that guitar to just DIE. That's what rock and roll is supposed to be about, right? Loud and fucking ugly.

Consequently, I never got past "just learning guitar." And now I'd like to thank the Road-Eyes and do one more song...
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
12:17 / 22.08.03
Ahhh, the Road Eyes...
 
 
rizla mission
15:42 / 23.08.03
Live Rust is so fantastic I think there should be intervals between each track for listeners to get their breath back and go "WOW!"
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:59 / 02.09.03
Sooo... it's been out for over a week. What does anyone else think of "Greendale"?

I love it, I have to say. It gets a bit "heart on sleeve"-y towards the end, but it's still ace.

Kind of makes me think of Lou Reed's "New York", only with a storyline, and set in the backwoods. And a higher voice. I'm not entirely sure why it make me think of it, but it does.

It's ace. It's horribly cheesy (in a "down-home, rural community, everyone looks after each other" kind of idealised way), but it's ace.

Haven't watched the DVD that comes with the album yet, though (apparently an acoustic performance of the entire set) but I'm looking forward to it.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:02 / 20.06.04
okay, so some nine months later, I've finally got around to watching the DVD.

Three songs in, and the album makes SO much more sense now.

It's one of those records where (though I listen to it often) I can never decide whether I love or hate it (it's either one or the other... it's addictive, and that means I can't be diffident)... the loveometer is beating faster than the hateogram right now. A lot faster.
 
 
rizla mission
12:49 / 20.06.04
What a coincidence. I hit the music forum and saw this thread had reappeared at exactly the same time I hit play and started listening to "On the Beach", my first burst of Neil for a month or so.

It's an absolutely beautiful album, my favourite my him at the moment.. it's perfect listening for when you're feeling a bit down, in that it's clearly coming from a very dark place, but it's never like "oh, woe is me, i'm sooo miserable!", it builds up a far more subtle atmosphere of inertia and disillusionment, combined with just the most heartbreaking Harvest/Everybody Knows era frazzled laidback melodies... it's like the feeling of waking up in the morning and feeling like you don't know what you're doing and you've got no reason to get up, transformed into something beautiful.

I'll probably get 'round to Greendale around the same time I collect my pension.
 
 
illmatic
09:29 / 21.06.04
That is a weird coincidence - someone has brought a copy of "On the Beach" into to lend to me today. Can't wait to give it a spin.
 
 
rizla mission
13:49 / 21.06.04
ooh, Synchronicity-tastic.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:28 / 22.06.04
Fuck it. I may have to join in this big synchronistic gang-bang and go and buy "On The Beach" today.
 
 
rizla mission
11:08 / 22.06.04
I have a feeling you'll dig 'Revolution Blues' if nothing else Stoatie.
 
 
doctorbeck
12:24 / 22.06.04
got to say on the beach my far favourite neil young lp, all the fractured painful stuff of his best songwriting in there, tired, broken down, splintered guitar playing, fraying around the edges, dark and moody

but also there are so many neil young lps to avoid, most but not all done as deliberate fuck offs to geffen records ( i think) who eventually sued him for it, so definitely buyer beware on much of his 80s output, especially landing on water and the shocking pinks lps

love the crazy horse stuff on the whole but also his country stuff, in particular the old ways lp which is just kick ass country rock, and southern man for the best.ever.guitar.solo.

saw him in a small german venue in 1985, first crazy horse gigs in 7 years, a total wall of angry messy noise, and totally totally lovely

andrew


alo had a song written about him by lynard skynerd, slating him for the track southern man (sweet home alabama, which he apparently plays live sometimes)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:41 / 22.06.04
BUGGER!

I KNEW there was something I meant to buy when I went out today... tomorrow, for deffo.

(Or possibly later today... there's no rule that says you can only go record shopping once in a day, is there?)
 
 
grant
16:42 / 22.06.04
I listened to my copy of "Landing on Water" while painting a room last summer.

It was like Neil Young was trying to record a Prince album. Can't fault a man for giving anything a go once.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:48 / 08.03.08
Just got back from seeing the man for the first time (thanks to Rizla having a spare ticket- what a guy!)

Absofuckinglutely amazing. He played two sets, a beautifully fragile acoustic sets and a balls-out rockin' electric set, and in total was pushing nearly three hours of music. All classics. It was IMMENSE. Those fuckin' epic solos, man... fuuuck.
 
 
doctorbeck
12:14 / 13.03.08
oooooh man, was offered a ticket and turned it down as i heard it was an coustic show and i fucking hate neil youngs whiney acoustic stuff but love the everything-up-to-11 electric stuff like nothing on earth. feel a great sense of loss now.
will go home and play the bonus disc of feedback on arcweld to get over it.
 
 
Dark side of the Moonfrog1
08:38 / 18.03.08
They've just announced that he's doiing a one off summer show in Kent (and luckily, just a few miles from where i live...) He supposedly curating the day so should be interesting to see what other bands are on. Details are here...

Neil Young at the Hop Farm

Tickets can be found here...

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