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Evolution, Revolution or Quit?

 
 
Lurid Archive
08:23 / 07.07.03
I've been thinking about how some people stick to certain institutions even when they have problems, while others just give up on them. In particular, I was thinking of the recent case of Church of England Bishop, Jeffrey John, who has now decided or been forced to withdraw from his appointment as Bishop because he is a (celibate) gay man.

I was listening to the Moral Maze about this, and reading some commentary, where some argued that it was essential to "modernise" the CoE, in order that it stop discriminating against gays. Given my atheism, it is perhaps unsurprising that I don't quite see the point of this reform. The CoE is a homophobic, sexist institution in my view, and tinkering with the outward appearance perpetuates its core prejudice.

OK, that was a bit strong, and I am actually much less certain about the issue than that. After all, if I shift attention to New Labour, my position is quite different. I accept all the criticisms of New Labour (well, most) but I don't think that abandoning the party is a good idea. It leaves a major political party to the centre right, when there is ample support amongst rank and file for a move to the centre left, at the very least.

It seems this question of how to deal with established institutions forms a large part of politics and ethical choices. In the US, does a left winger hope to affect the Democrats or simply vote for a Nader? Does one remain a member of an envornmental organisation if, like me, you don't get on with the luddite and propoganda elements? There are lots more examples, (for many, the fabric of western democracy presents such a choice) and I realise that the answer is largely "it depends", but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

How do you choose which organisations to support?
 
 
Grand Panjandrum of the Pointless
15:04 / 07.07.03
I personally choose who to support by considering who has vital core principles and a fairly flexible organisation. Thus I support the Lib Dems in the UK because I consider liberalism to be at the core of my ideology. I’m not convinced that Charles Kennedy is the greatest of leaders, I don’t support every single one of their policies, and I don’t have any cloudcastle ideas about them winning the next general election. I think smaller Lib Dem style parties strike a happy medium between major parties and activist groups- they can stay in touch with member on grassroots issues, and are better at coming up with coherent and balanced policies than narrow focus interest groups. Also (at least where I live) the Lib Dems are the only people who actually bother to do street level politics on any scale.
More generally, a government composed of such groups is less prone to the sort of anti-democratic tics that New Labour has shown recently.

I realize this ‘vitality of core ideas’ approach isn’t foolproof- and indeed is problematic outside politics - there are many institutions whose core ideas are too sketchily defined for the test to come up with any reasonable results. The Church of England, being founded on compromise, is a prime example. If one is an atheist it’s easy enough- but if one actually believes in God I would imagine the huge variety of doctrinal variation just boggles the mind. Also with Western religions I think many people will perceive a sharp dichotomy between the social and the spiritual aspects of religion; there may be many who would agree with Lurid Archive’s assessment of the COE, and still support it because such problems are ultimately secondary to belief.

Concerning the Labour party- I was put off them when a student by the kind of people who were Labour students at my university (UCL)- mostly slick, very career oriented, very New Labour, and apart from a few platitudes v. right wing. Ask these people about core policy and they more than likely don’t know or just don’t give a fuck. I don’t know whether this says more about them or their party. Same deal where I live now. I personally think that the institution is damaged beyond repair- the grassroots are mostly elderly, confused or seriously alienated. Same goes double for US Democrats, from what little I know of them (mostly Hunter Thompson’s less than balanced accounts.)
I believe such institutions should have clear ideological labels- and that ones with worn or damaged labels are dangerous, because they are vulnerable to being co-opted by opportunists (cf Blair) and because they discourage people involved in politics at the lower levels from thinking clearly about ideology.

When a political institution has either achieved its major goals or seriously compromised them then it's time to start building a new organisation. It may take time, but it's much better than patching up something horribly outmoded ad infinitum.

Caveat- I'd probably think differently if living through times of major political crisis (e.g. WW2- not war on terror)
 
 
Quantum
15:08 / 08.07.03
The party system allows us to have a choice between two or three options none of which fit what we believe- you just have to pick the least offensive.
I was until recently a Quit voter, and deliberately never voted (I even went to the polling station specifically not to vote) but come the next general election I'll be voting LibDem. The lesser of three evils and a chance to scare hell out of the complacent Tory/Labour right wing. I'd like to see a coalition Labour/Liberal govt. maybe Kennedy as home secretary :-) but I doubt it'll happen.

In theory Evolution is the best way to change these establishments, but they're overly resistant to change and have to be cajoled just to keep up with the times, never mind look ahead. Shake 'em up to help them evolve I say.
 
 
Salamander
22:01 / 08.07.03
The most effecacious way to get a political organization to evolve is to threaten it with death (zero membership). But saving a political orginization is a lot of work, as they are made to destroy thought, not revolutionize or develope (evolve) it.
 
  
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