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Not Another Thread On the Philosophy of the Matrix!

 
 
Disco is My Class War
06:27 / 25.06.03
Slavoj Zizek wrote an article about the Matrix films recentl,y in which he has the following to say:

This search for the philosophical content of The Matrix is therefore a lure, a trap to be avoided. Such readings that project into the film refined philosophical or psychoanalytic conceptual distinctions are effectively much inferior to a naïve immersion that I witnessed when I saw The Matrix at a local theater in Slovenia. I had the unique opportunity to sit close to a man in his late twenties who was so engrossed in the film that he repeatedly disturbed other spectators with loud exclamations like: “My God, wow, so there is no reality! So we are all puppets!"

and this:

The filmmakers have thus dramatically raised the stakes of the Matrix series, confronting us with all the complications and confusions of the politics of liberation. And they have put themselves in a profoundly difficult spot: They now confront an almost impossible task. If the forthcoming part three, The Matrix Revolutions, is to succeed with anything like a happy ending, it will have to produce nothing less than the appropriate answer to the dilemmas of revolutionary politics today, a blueprint for the political act the left is desperately looking for.

I think he has a point: I loved the second film precisely because it blew apart the easy pseudo-anarchoid politics of the first. Maybe this should go in the film forum, but I'm interested to know what people think of the article, and Zizek's stating of the problems facing the uh 'revolutionary left'. And his Lacanian reading, when in fact he warned against using the Matrices a philosophical parables.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:37 / 25.06.03
Okay, before we start, let's try to avoid getting into whether or not we liked the movie(s).

A thought:

If the forthcoming part three, The Matrix Revolutions, is to succeed with anything like a happy ending, it will have to produce nothing less than the appropriate answer to the dilemmas of revolutionary politics today, a blueprint for the political act the left is desperately looking for.

Actually, there is no solution to these dilemmas. The apocalyptic notion of a revolution which ends history (like a war which ends war) is a chimera; no such beast exists. Change continues, and there is no 'final state' of human evolution - except possibly extinction. The answer in the real world is that freedom is an activity, that justice must be persued but can never be won, that each case must be taken on its own merits and not filtered through a system whose function, ultimately, is to prevent society from having to engage daily in difficult ethical and personal decisions.

In other words, apocalyptic revolution is a weak and appealing substitute for the unending hard work of living; the notion is derived from religious systems and stems, I suppose, from the naive (childlike) desire that one day, all injustices would be redressed by God (or by Mum), and I'll get my tricycle back from Billy O'Toole, but will have to return Jonny Finch's football album - but all our sins will be forgiven and we'll live happily ever after without trying or changing.

I had hoped that we might see the beginnings of a detente between man and machine in the second film: it seems that there is a hint in this direction. Perhaps we're going to see that in Revolutions, with the Smith/Hitler agent(s) forcing Neo and the machines together. That would be a shame, in that we'd be seeing a previously revolutionary force working to preserve the status quo, but a positive thing, in that we'd see a previously oppressive force setting aside an old paradigm and working with the slaves against a common foe. Interesting that we've already seen a massive balkanisation on both sides: where there were monoliths, there are now fragmented and bickering (dis)Unions. Only Smith appears to be able to remain true to his identity as nemesis, and that's because he is an endless series of iterations of the same thing. Although we know that his programme is subject to alteration - perhaps he will end up divided against himself.

Ultimately, though, the movie will end - perhaps on a high note, perhaps not. The real world - and yes, there is one - will continue. Imagine the aftermath of Neo's victory in the world of the Matrix films: I doubt we'll see any issues raised about how to demilitarise a huge force of angry soldiers and rebels from Zion now that there's peace with the machines. Can they be reintegrated with the rest of the human race, whom they hold in contempt ("coppertop")? Will Neo and the others face an accounting for the numberless lives they have arbitrarily snuffed out in their excursions into the Matrix? (A crime especially grotesque when you think that they could readily restrain rather than kill with the significant advantages they possess.)

The myth of a conclusion, of a goal, is the blight of social remodelling projects. The Matrix films, so far, show no sign of proposing a fiction which explores that problem.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
13:40 / 25.06.03
Quickly, On a different tack, from the article

The only consistent answer is that the Matrix feeds on human jouissance.

This somehow makes the much-maligned Trinity/Neo loves scenes (and the Zion Stomp! Festival) coherent. Instead of the "love conquers all" barf exterior narrative, the subtext of the films is that the most radical act is fucking - this useless expenditure of energy, a "fuck you" to the big Other of the Matrix.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:46 / 25.06.03
Yeah, I think, thematically, those scenes make a great deal of sense. The fact that they're amazingly boring has more to do with the filmmaking than the idea.
 
 
Lurid Archive
14:33 / 25.06.03
Well I liked those scenes. Then again, I thought the depth of the movie was in using lots of black leather and pvc in a cyberpunk, kung fu setting. Very cool. Very deep. Oh yeah.

What really strikes one in reading these things is that they sound so familiar. The Wachowski brothers must have read Lacan, right? Just as they must have read all of Grant Morrison's works?

TBH, the films are pretty standard sci fi fare, with good visuals. The philosophy is at best a veneer that suggests a profundity that works as long as you don't examine it. So, naive immersion probably is the best way to appreciate them. At least for me. What I do find interesting is that the very lack of philosophical content (or at least the facile use of such) provides a canvas onto which people project their own favourite analyses. Make of that what you will.

As for this,

If the forthcoming part three, The Matrix Revolutions, is to succeed with anything like a happy ending, it will have to produce nothing less than the appropriate answer to the dilemmas of revolutionary politics today, a blueprint for the political act the left is desperately looking for.

were I to take it seriously, I would find it an extremely depressing commentary on the state of the left.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:57 / 25.06.03
You think the state of the left isn't depressing? You are in the Matrix...
 
 
cusm
15:28 / 25.06.03
Why would the left be looking for anything in this? Technically, Left=Liberal politics are the politics of social order and control, usually for the purpose of imposing some form of justice against the image of those in power on behalf of the oppressed, while the Right=Conservative seeks to remove these laws, coincidentally allowing those in power to strengthen their hold. At least, that's how the broken parties in the US seem to work.

Really, the division the Matrix addresses is authority vs anarchy. Its libertarians, not liberals, who will find a political roadmap here, unless somehow the ending involves the machine race paying centuries of slave reparations to the decendents of the original humans they conquered years ago. I don't know how they'll do it, but I'm sure it will somehow extol the virtues of Free Will and Choice prevailing against hopeless determinstic authority, making the world once again safe for justice, bunnies, and Christmas.

It seems to me that if "The Left" is waiting for a message to move on in the third movie, they might as well skip to the punchline and get it out of V For Vendetta and save themselves some waiting.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:59 / 25.06.03
Anarchy?

Zion?

How so? Hierarchical, dominated by a personality cult, overwhelmingly male-governed, militaristic, religious...
 
 
cusm
17:21 / 25.06.03
Well, ok, maybe not anarchy as the goal so much as liberation from the oppression of the machine overlords. The overreaching goal is still the mythical idea of "freedom", however it comes off, rather than an aggressive policy of social equality.

Of course, this is saying nothing about what sort of horrifying government the Zionists might put in place of the matrix once overthrown...
 
 
Cat Chant
09:52 / 26.06.03
apocalyptic revolution is a weak and appealing substitute for the unending hard work of living;

Leaving aside for the moment your valorization of 'strength' and 'hard work' and other such manly-man virtues, I'd say that the unworkability of 'apocalyptic revolution' is precisely the problem facing revolutionary politics/activists in their search for 'the political act' Zizek/Mister Disco mentions in the first post.

As for, to move on to a totally different point, whether the Left is poised, waiting for the third Matrix film to give it a call to arms: d'oh! Have you learned nothing from the Matrix that you make such a rigid separation between ideas/images-as-programming and acts-as-execution? The Matrix is an act, just as it is also a contribution to thinking, just as thinking is an act and acts contribute to the ways we understand the world.

The way I read the questions in the first post was as saying that the Matrix films have set up a particular configuration/understanding of politics and the workings of the networked world in such a way that to resolve the plot, they must also resolve the questions asked by critical theorists & revolutionary activists. Not that the Matrix is going to trigger, or be, an apocalyptic revolution.

But that's just me. And I haven't seen the second film yet, so I can't make any particularly helpful suggestions, sorry.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:27 / 26.06.03
Whatever.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
07:42 / 27.06.03
Deva wins

Nick, cusm, etc: don't you think that maybe Zizek was being ironic? the key phrase in what I quoted from the article is 'happy ending'. It's a narrative problem, not a real-life political one. The article is a crit of precisely the people who hope that the third movie will provide a revolutionary solution to the problems of 'the Left'.

Also, what Zizek means by the Left (which I also find problematic, but then, radicals of all kinds, even the most out-there autonomists, are wont to refer to 'the Left' if they're over 35) is not the institutionalised 'Left' of New Labour or the US Democrats but the non-institutionalised social movements: and probably he's referring to idiot Trots as well as more interesting kinds of leftist.

I'm beginning to think that maybe naive immersion is the best way to experience the Left, if there is such a thing.
 
 
nickyludd
13:00 / 27.06.03
Actually, there is no solution to these dilemmas. The apocalyptic notion of a revolution which ends history (like a war which ends war) is a chimera; no such beast exists.

But who or what ever advanced such a notion? The communist notion of revolution indeed takes over some apocalytic core from the judaeo-christian tradtion (though I would argue the converse - that the apocalypse in that trad is prefiguring of the idea of non-exploitative social order)but has no notion of history coming to an end; rather that true history will be begin with the actions of free agents.

There is much irony in that this notion of the 'end of history', ascribed to communists, is now promoted by Fukyuyama explicitly and implicitly by all 'respectable'pundits - for whom the market is the only conceivable mechanism for the monitoring of total societal labour.
 
 
Persephone
13:13 / 27.06.03
It's a narrative problem, not a real-life political one.

Yes yes I've been trying to formulate something along these lines, having something to do with life being an illusion of a narrative. Say for example, that the Matrix = narrative. Narrative being a system that has its own logic & that validates itself? The movie the Matrix is stuck in the Matrix because it's stuck in a narrative structure. There's really no way out... any ending still isn't an exit, because the ending is part & parcel of the structure. I mean, narrative... it's this incredibly invasive thing.

Sorry, this doesn't have much to do with the left!
 
 
Jackie Susann
08:00 / 28.06.03
But Disco, Zizek is an idiot trot - a Leninist, actually - so I think by Left he means, in a really old school way, organised labour and centralised political control.

I am unimpressed by his argument, mainly cause it's the same argument as in everything else he's ever written, roughly: I am a very special person by virtue of my ability to marshall complex philosophy to the analysis of pop culture.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
04:15 / 01.07.03
Yeah, Zizek is a Leninist but at least he's funny. I can never tell whether he's being ironic or not, actually. My bad.

(And I am unconvinced that referring to 'the Left' makes him a Trot. A certain Mitropoulos we both know has an uncanny way of referring to the Left, often, and without evident irony. And she ain't a Trot. Hence the 'over 35' thing.... maybe it's a generational thing? (I guess the diff. btw AM and Zizek is that she talks about how much the Left sucks shit. But there you go.)
 
 
Jackie Susann
06:39 / 01.07.03
i don't think just saying 'the Left' makes you an idiot - i'm basing that on other stuff he's written, for example, the introduction to the Zizek reader (where he defends hardline leninism on any more sophisticated variation of marxism. but maybe he was kidding.)
 
 
Salamander
14:19 / 01.07.03
Maybe the problem facing the anarchists and there struggle against the majority archists in the world is that to be any kind of an anarchist and maintain social coherance, which is the only way to avoid the war of all against all and an apocalyptic ending to the human story is that any social form of anarchy MUST (might? work? best? as?) be a religious social system. Religion based on gnosis, which is the direction the matrix has been pointing all along, alot of the quotes in the movie that give it that intellectual feel that most of the people that see it go, "duh when does the slow mo kung fu start?", are gnostic; budhist; some of the more gnosticy saints; I think I even heard a sufi quote, but don't quote me on that. The problem with human freedom and the end to tyrrany is monotheism and dogma. With out these oppressive systems of thought if there is any archism it would probably be much less of a monolithic force, pulling people along the road to mutual destruction, a great machine grinding everyone thats a part of it up for fuel. Of course I could be horribly wrong, but thats the nature of choice I guess, the freedom to be wrong, as would be exemplified in Neos choice at the end.
 
  
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