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17:33 / 11.06.03
Finally got this on the day it comes out!

Well, I thought this one was much better then last issue. Pretty funny too, probably one of the funniest issues yet.The death of Dmiti 9 was great, especially the cameo by Ham. Some greta lines too. "Is there a hell for monkeys dad?" "I hope so son." It seems ironically fitting for Dmitri to be killed by a man made machine.

That was a pretty cool gun that Dmitri had too. So was the ending... That Baron Mandrill thing was freaky looking. And Miami's partial reluctance to make love to Hughes makes me wonder if she'll rebel next.

Can't really make much intellectual insights right now, just finished reading it 5 minutes ago and these are just gut reactions.
 
 
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17:56 / 11.06.03
Holy shit... Ned Slade using a scorpian shaped gun. And fighting against Status Q. I wonder what bald assassin he reminds me of now...
 
 
Optimistic
14:21 / 12.06.03
Nice and Smooth
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:06 / 12.06.03
Yeah this issue had a very [i]Invisibles[/i] feel to it & that whole sequence with the television reminded me of that scene in [b]Black Science (2?)[/b] where King Mob & Jolly Roger are consumed in the magic mirror bla bla bla...

it's been mentioned here before.
 
 
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03:23 / 13.06.03
Well, King Mob did have cats that died.
 
 
Raw Norton
04:13 / 13.06.03
I think the whole Greg Feely/King Mob thing is summed up nicely by the middle panel at the bottom of the third-to-last page: Greg, holding the scorpion-gun, opening a door...

To me this was the best issue in a lot of ways. It was the funniest, but also seemed to have the best art. Weston's characters were consistently well articulated, like good actors.

Is is just me, or is that a Li'l Anders Klimakks asking that bit about a hell for monkeys?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:00 / 13.06.03
NO! GM, you bastard! You killed Dmitri-9! I'm heartbroken.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
14:12 / 13.06.03
Um, the last couple of pages - when Greg's holding up the vials of parapersona - what's with the name change? At first the two vials are labelled Dean and Mark (or something equally non-descript) then, in the next reference - Spector and Slade.
Did I miss something?
Seeing Ham took me way, way back to the revamped Eagle - he and Dan Dare on the moon.
 
 
houdini
14:27 / 13.06.03
Ahhh, the handsome chimps of the American space program.

That was a good issue. And kind of surprising, too: After concluding that 'The Filth' wasn't really going anywhere in particular I suddenly feel like maybe it was after all. We'll see what Mozza does in the two remaining issues, I s'pose, but I definitely enjoyed this one quite a bit.

The highlight had to be the TV though. I always suspected the bastards looked like that on the inside.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:48 / 13.06.03
The TV bit & the ear was very Cronenberg.

I liked how Miami was complaining about being "infected" while at the same time disagreeing with the authority...

BUT what's up with the I-life girl. we see her for one panel getting in a cab or something but NADA since her initial appearance!!!
 
 
Raw Norton
17:10 / 13.06.03
I liked the image of Miami's infection, too. Particularly the bit about feeling sick when fucking Feely.
 
 
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02:00 / 14.06.03
Speaking of KM references, Feely refers to himself as a terrorist now too. H'mm...

If Thunderstone is Hughes now, I wonder why he ain't wearing that dope purple jacket. Well, at least he has the bad hairdo handled.
 
 
LDones
02:39 / 14.06.03
Anyone else get the impression, after reading this issue, that the Max Thunderstone 'death' ish happened out of narrative continuity? Like it was meant to be issue 9, perhaps?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:08 / 14.06.03
I definitely agree with Houdini- this ish really did seem like it was part of an ongoing story, whereas some of the earlier ones have been a little self-contained. Here's hoping for a big ending! Only two to go, then it's sit down with a case of beer and the whole run for an afternoon time!
Not sure about the Max Thunderstone thing, but you've certainly got me thinking, Ldones.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:39 / 14.06.03
If Thunderstone is Hughes now, I wonder why he ain't wearing that dope purple jacket.

He's got it slung over his shoulder throughout his appearance in this issue.

And the stubble on his lip shows that he's already working on the porn 'tache. That was a nice detial, I thought.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:42 / 14.06.03
LDones: I reckon that the narrative disjointedness is part of the overall effect—the nonlinear discontinuity adds to the fever-dream atmosphere, yeah?
 
 
arcboi
18:09 / 14.06.03
A really great issue with some brilliant art by Chris Weston. Greg Feely's mad as hell and he's not got to take it any more! "I'm not having it! Eh? EH?!"

I liked the nosy neighbour bit where her boyfriend is pissed off that she keeps going on about it. There's her unable to stop looking but saying "We can't just watch".

I loved Dimitri using the umbrella as a particularly lethal weapon - especially when it opened up afterwards! Hilarious!

BTW The gun that Dimitri is using is Atom-Avenger's Thermovolver - brought up from 2-Space by Moog Mercury back in issue 3.

So it's welcome back Max Thunderstone. I knew there was something odd about the fact that they didn't kill him in the last issue. That's also a nice switch: Spartacus Hughes now fighting for Status: Q while Ned becomes the terrorist.

Great to see Cameron and Mercury back again as well. Will the shock of knowing she's just a personality in a test-tube swing Cameron onto Greg's side? Looks like it.

Only 2 more issues to go - I'm not having it - I want them now!! Oooo - makes me want to go out now and throw a monkey under a train....
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
23:04 / 14.06.03
I love the fact that Grant Morrison is in every comic he writes, and that he really doesn't bother covering it up.
This issue was really cool, though I don't think it had the philosophical impact of "Man Made God". Ever since this book began I've felt that it was sort of the Invisibles on steroids and lots and lots of LSD; it was nice to have that confirmed.
 
 
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02:50 / 15.06.03
So, this whole time Greg Feely's been read and Slade's been the parapersona? I guess that explains all that stuff about a new carrier for Jenesis Jones back in issue 6. And why Slade asked Miami "Why does Greg feel more real to me then Ned Slade?"

What I wonder is how Greg got involved with Max Thunderstone in the first place, and how he discovered the Hand. If Greg is an anti-person (is that why Tony got sick, from being too close to an anti-person, like that dolphin in issue 10 seemed to suggest? That would be ironic). then why on earth would Mother Dirt want to recruit him? I guess that'll all be explained in the last two issues.

I also wonder what makes one an anti-person? With Anders it was the fact he was genetically made, but how about Feely? And just exactly how do anti-persons harm the ecosystem?

I'm a little confused about the nature of Hughes also. In issue 2 it's said he was a highly trained destroyer from the Fist, but later on we find he's a contaminated parapersona. He tells Slade in issue 8 he became infected by his work. So, I'm assuming that somehow one of Thunderstone's allies got a hold of the contaminated Hughes vial and gave it to Thunderstone, who used it to provoke the Hand so he'd have an enemy to fight against. But how does this explain Hughes desire to bring about a new form of human evolution?

Evolution does seem to be a big theme as noted earlier. From Hughes interest in human evolution to Anders being told that evolution moved on without him to Dmitri 9 to the I-Lifes, evolution seems very important here. It should be said that the I-Life's main function is to befriend diseases rather then kill them, life when you see them pacifying a cancer cell, persuading it to evolve into a non-malignant helper T-Cell. Maybe this is the whole point: Whereas the Hand basically kills off all dangers to Status Q, the I-Life try to literally change bodily dangers into helpful allies (much like GM is trying to do to the reader with "The Filth", as he noted in a recent interview: It's a healing innoculation of grime). It's like Robin's friend in "The Invisibles" who befriended his cancer and turned it into a spiritual ally. Greg feels bad for the I-Life so he puts them ina fishbowl and gives them food, helping to preserve them (which prompts bioship Sharon Jones to call Greg a "Good you-am, preserver".)

In Filth #4, at the bottom of page 10 is a small shot of a giant hand holding a black pen. The same one that appeared in issue #9 I wonder?

I'm still not sure why some of the dolphins in issue #2 had swastikas on their fins.
 
 
MaximusOverdrive
03:01 / 16.06.03
Sypha Hadon asks: I also wonder what makes one an anti-person?

well, i don't think that it is specifically a genetic thing. okay, i have an idea, i'm not sure if it's right. it's a liitle kooky, but, then again, we are talking about the Filth.

As the universe moves forward, there are new ideas created, new concepts, new memes really. At the same time conceptual detritus is also generated, mutated or retarded ideas and thought-structures, or twisted memes. I think anti-persons are what happens when reality is exposed to these past-expiration-date memes. Macrocosm (reality) affects microcosm (our vew of reality). They're the warped offspring of ideas or structures or belief systems that don't work along the line that is drawn by the Hand, that line called Status: Q. It is the job of the Hand to clean these defective thoughts from the face of reality. Anti-persons are, in effect, a part of the system that tries to kill the system. A conceptual cancer really.

What the Hand tried to do by turning Greg into "Ned Slade" was to befriend the cancer, as you described the I-Life doing with cancerous cells, and turn a sickened part of itself into a healthy thing. Microcosm becomes macrocosm.

at least, that's what i think it is all about. i could be wrong. ;-)

and, real quick, damn it's been about a year since i posted on this site. wow, time flies...

laters!

-michael
 
 
No star here laces
07:57 / 16.06.03
Yawn. So Slade is the hero who's going to destroy the evil fascist police state.

New ideas, please.

I hope this isn't the case, but it kinda seems it. Would've almost been more fun to have just kept it as a kind of loony cop show without the need for grand narrative...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:40 / 16.06.03
oh, everything will be alright laces. We're due a shit issue next month.

So, with any luck, anything resembling a narrative will be pulverised to dust.

And, once the filth is over, we'll all feel a lot better.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:03 / 16.06.03
I love the fact that Grant Morrison is in every comic he writes, and that he really doesn't bother covering it up.

What I love is that he has to pitch it every time. He knows what's happening, the company knows what's happening...it's like a Bob Newhart skit.

"So, Grant. What's this great new idea?"

"Wow. a bald man, you say. Is the MPB or shaven-headed? Both? That's very ...original."

"And he kills people? and is really cool. You know, Grant, that's terrific, but I can't help feeling that it would be improved if he had sex with some pretty ladies."

"Oh, what? You're *kidding* me. You were just about to get onto that? Except there are *lots* of pretty ladies? Even better. I'm really feeling empathy here."

(Corporate Nabob covers phone briefly and mouths "mid-life" to his companion, who nods understandingly)
 
 
FinderWolf
15:24 / 16.06.03
DAMN funny, Haus!!!

I love the teletubbies/i-Life creatures. I want to see them do more stuff!!!

And when do you think Greg Feely will have sex with lovely bio-ship Sharon Jones? Should be interesting to see the i-Life collective navigate through that one.....

So maybe the Hand had the right idea but they took it too far and were too harsh on anti-persons? No matter, Greg/Grant's gonna kick their asses now.

And yeah, why DID the dolphins have swastikas on their finbands?
 
 
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21:25 / 16.06.03
Theoretically, isn't the whole Hand organization past an expiration date? I mean, that whole 50's look.

And those I-Life things are so cute. GM should get them licensed as plush animals. He'd make millions. Hey, if they made a plush Cthulhu...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
21:16 / 19.06.03
I was so close to working it out after last issue, I just never stopped to think that The Filth might be lying to Ned about who was the real personality.

The possible flaw as I can see it (and I'm not checking the issues here so I might be wrong) but Jenesis Jones, IIRC, knows that the agent, not the host, is the implanted personality. So possibly do the other two. So maybe they'll just shoot Greg with guns and then everything will be back to normal. Status Q will be restored.

And what is Sharon doing with Tony's remains?

And exactly why is Status Q working with Hughes, standing as he does against everything they believe in? Maybe Grant will have a sensible explanation, at the moment it seems like he's just forcing in the obligatory third and final appearence.

Greg's not been killed so far because of a directive from Mother Dirt. Maybe, if this universe is god's suicide note, then she has become infected. Maybe she's the ultimate anti-person, the ultimate threat to Status Q, and is allowing anti-persons to survive in the Filth because she's unhinged.
 
 
LDones
02:59 / 20.06.03
This whole series gets me thinking on auto-immune diseases. Having developed a particularly nasty one over the better(?) part of the the last year, the whole Qlippothic experience of them really thematically sets off some bells.

The Hand are an immuno-organization, the system they patrol is our reality, locating, isolating, swarming upon, and eliminating threats to the continued 'healthy' function of the system, otherwise known as status: Q. Different divisions of the Hand are given functions parralel to functions of the human immune system.

In an auto-immune disease, the presence of particular antigens, or foreign agents in the body (theoretically) 'trick' the immune system into re-coding itself to hunt healthy tissue. Essentially the immune-system begins 'eating' areas of the body, sometimes specific and sometimes general or overall.

Spartacus Hughes is an extraordinarily viral consciousness. He inhabits the system by (apparently) converting existing, presumbaly healthy cells into versiong of himself - he exists to spread chaos, or rather to break systems down - he's done so en micro each time he's struck - first a tiny world using the world's richest man as a catalyst (though it seems he was more hired to do this), then the enormous cruise-liner (civilisation in a bottle) using the president as the catalyst, and presumably, now next the entire earth system with the world's first real super-hero leading the charge.

I've honestly no idea where this ties in to where the series has been going or has been, but the Hand definitely does not appear to be a healthy, properly-functioning immuno-organization. They appear to be failing in their function, though I obviously could be reading into it incorrectly due to personal bias.

How did Feely, if he is indeed only a simple, depressed cat-lover, have a hand in 'creating' Hughes? What did he mean when he said he'd broken into the pharmacy and contaminated the stores? Obviously it appears that the pharmacy is farming out tainted drugs to convert other individual minds into Hand agents. Mother Dirt is obviously a name synonymous with Mother Earth, just a fouler way of putting it, so what purpose does her vision of Status-Q serve? And how does that serve the greater (and thus far implicit) immune system metaphor? And what does Greg's newfound rebellion mean to the integrity of 'the system'?

I don't know, myself, I'm just sort of rambling. I'm very fond of the Filth, but I've grown fonder of it the more I've looked at it as analogous to the past year of my life. I'm hoping something good comes of it in the end.

Tony suffered from an auto-immune thyroid disease, so perhaps there's more to my theory than it may at first seem.
 
 
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03:05 / 20.06.03
Y'know, between the death of my cat, my recent depression/fear of going insane, my exploring the darker side of my psyche and obsession with illness, my life has been mirroring "The Filth" quite a bit too. But GM said it was a healing thing, so I'm optimistic this will ultimetly be a positive transformative experiance.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:49 / 22.06.03
Ahh, you haven't lived until you've been attacked by a Marxist monkey.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:57 / 22.06.03
Otherwise, what's more interesting is the decreasing number of postings each successive issue has had. This one will struggle to pass 30, the previous two issues were low 40s, the one before that was mid-50, you have to go back as issue 6 to see anything over 75, and then only just.

Now, is this just due to the 'Is Barbelith on it's holiday?' slump or is it that people on here aren't getting the comic any more?General opinion seems to have turned downwards since issue 6, with me as one of the few exceptions in believing that it's got better (with last issue being slightly crap, though better in retrospect now this issue has come out).
 
 
Ganesh
20:37 / 22.06.03
Favourite line: "Oh no, a poor little cat!" I was beginning to think I was alone in finding the 'Little Nell' treatment of dead cats somewhat drawn-out and mawkish...
 
 
dlotemp
22:32 / 22.06.03
I think the auto-immune disease thing is a good idea, especially since GM has mentioned the immune system theme in interviews. I'd like to point out that one of the key components of the immune system is its ability to tell "us" from "them," which I think is determined by our leukocytes (sp?). It's a fun thought to think that THE FILTH is trying to save us from depravity by innoculating us to it, but what happens when the leukocytes become independent and no longer distinguish between "us and them?" Is the issue 11 the first glimmer of leukocyte independence? Have individual components of our immune system decided to become individuals?
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
01:14 / 27.06.03
WRT this issue and the last, I'd agree that Thunderstone's origin seems to have been intended as an earlier issue, as it jars a little with his immediate reintroduction as Spartacus Hughes in the following issue. As someone suggested, issue 10 appears to have been intended as issue 9, in order to give a pause between Thunderstone's first appearance and his subsequent reappearance in issue 11. In addition, Thunderstone's operation on Moog isn't discussed in the following issue, though perhaps due to lack of space.

Not having read the discussions on previous issues, I presume that the similarities between Max Thunderstone and Flex Mentallo, right down to the 'Hero Halo' have already been discussed, so it would seem that Morrison intends a confrontation between Black Mentallium Flex - the eponymous 'Thunderstone'? - and this continuum's Gideon Stargrave, as seen here through a psychedelic Nick Fury lens. Is Flex intended to be symbolic in a higher sense in the same way that he is indicative of the Everyman hero? Is Thunderstone's eptification symbolic of the cancerous auto-immune system of the Hand and its infection of the God molecule in the brain, subjugating the higher impulse in order to to ensure that 'Riot Fails To Occur', that is, that the development of the system as a whole is being restricted by the Hand?

If the para-personae peddled by the chemist are seeding Hand agents, would this too not symbolise its attempts to spread throughout the system as a whole - the world, as opposed to the Hand's subdermal domain, corrupting healthy cells in order to act against the system? Either that, or the Hand is the healthy immune system recruiting cells through the para-personae to fight encroaching bacteria - the anti-personae - and eliminating genetically-engineered and surgically-altered cells in order to preserve homeostasis in the system. Knowing Morrison, it's probably both :-)

The world-system is also seen to act to protect itself from rogue cells, as seen by the community's persecution of Greg, his interrogation by the system's immune system - the police - and the eventual elimination of the rogue cell as symbolised by Dmitri-9 - demonstrating the evolution of the system in evolving beyond the biological behaviour of the lower brain - the aggressive primitive response as a killer chimpanzee.

Sharon takes Tony away because Tony is, like her, a vessel for the I-Life following his resurrection. I believe that in part the Filth is another of Morrison's magickal memes, this time programming the auto-immune systems' of its readers to incorporate the concepts embodied by the different systems within the comic. The I-Life can be seen as both an idiosyncratic interpretation of nanotechnology and as a command to the immune system to befriend infected cells and ensure their recovery. Greg, Thunderstone et al are attempts by the system either to inaugurate change throughout it - local action for global change - by both being inducted by the Hand - Greg - and attacking it directly - Thunderstone - and eliminate the Hand, or to destroy the Hand and destabilise the system as a whole - Spartacus Hughes as a brain tumour, never going into recession and destabilising system after system, as ably explained by someone whose name doesn't appear on this preview page :-S

This also brings back Morrison's concept of the memeplex with the para-personae and the idea that anyone can become an agent of the Hand by taking on another para-persona in order to better serve the system - as seen in the behaviour of ants. This type of system would depend on the coordinated group action of its components and the rise of individuality would indeed be seen as detrimental to the health of the system as a whole.

I have to say that the Filth has been the highlight of my comics reading since its beginning, despite my inability to convince my wife to read further than issue one. Also, despite his redundancy within the system, Dmitri-9 has been one of my favourite Morrison creations, especially the 'Oh no, a poor little cat!' line. Chris Weston and Gary Erskine's art has been superb and Morrison is exploring new ground with the series as a whole - unlike his New X-Men sadly :-(
 
 
Never or Now!
01:52 / 27.06.03
Well, when that mob beats Dmitri to death cos he looks like a freaky monster, they're demonstrating "the aggressive primitive response... of the lower brain", rather than showing how the world-system evolves beyond it. It's more of a warning than an example, "Live by the sword..." and all that.

There's a preview page of the final issue somewhere on the Crack!Comicks site, Greg with a gun in each hand looking angry and nuts. So perhaps perhap perhaps he misses the point of the warning, and ends up nice and dead? If he is the anti-matter qlippothic mirror-imaged King Mob then that might make sense. I guess there's no reason to assume this series has to have a happy ending?
 
 
LDones
02:58 / 27.06.03
I loved how Feely was essentially absolved of his social pariah status the instant they found something more freakish than him to blame.

I hope Morrison really ties a lot of this together of the next two (final) issues of the series. If not, it's still been a good ride, but the potential for memetic climax is great. Where's Secret Original? Who is Feely, Reely? I'm anticipating the next issue(s) with some enthusiasm.

Now that Feely's been revealed for the Qlippoth of King Mob for the moment, the preview pages take on some interesting significance - KM having lived a life of violence and turning to nonviolent means, Feely seemingly doing the opposite at this point. I wonder what Greg has nightmares about...

"Oi, Old Testament God! Up yours!"
 
  

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