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Pedophilia: a broad topic

 
 
eye landed
03:00 / 11.06.03
We all know a pedophile (paedophile for you Brits) is an adult who has sex with children.

However, the boundaries are very foggy. Is someone a pedophile if they are merely attracted to children but do not touch them? What if they fantasize about children, or look at child pornography? Is pedophilia a state of mind or a description of behaviour?

Secondly, what is a child in this case? Are pedophiles necessarily attracted to pre-pubescent children? Is the age difference important? Is a middle-aged man a pedophile if he sleeps with a 19-year-old? What about a 15-year-old? Does the legal age of consent enter the picture?

There are 14-year-olds who look like they are 18, and vice versa. Would sex with either one of these examples be pedophilia? Would it make a difference if I was 14 myself? What if I was 50? (I'm 21.) The word is thrown around a lot in my experience, such as when referring to the popularity of the music group TATU, who are around 17. But a 17-year-old woman is really not physically very different from a 25-year-old. They are attractive in pretty much the same way, i.e. breasts, hips, body size, fat content, and facial structure. A pre-pubescent girl presents quite different things to a sexual partner: small size, undeveloped genitals, no secondary sex characteristics, et cetera. Similar issues with boys, although the issue may be even more complex since boys reach puberty later and with less delineation (no menstruation).

There is also the issue of body hair. It seems trends are running towards hairiness these days, but shaved women still dominate pornography. Does a hairless woman fulfill pedophiliac fantasies?

Perhaps most interestingly, how do we use pedophilia in our entertainment culture? Does it have the appeal of taboo, or is it a primal sexual interest? Is Dionysius involved? Have I broken my question mark key yet///

We could also discuss whether a person's fear of being considered a pedophile would influence their eagerness to call someone else a pedophile. Do you define pedophilia to exclude yourself? Do you consider your own borderline urges to be okay while demonizing those who go a step further? Few of us would call ourselves pedophiles, but I think many of us are attracted to young people sometimes, at least the post-pubescent variety.
 
 
SMS
03:36 / 11.06.03
As I understand it, the definitions of pedophilia aren't foggy at all.

A pedophile is not an adult who has sex with children, but an adult who finds children sexually attractive. It is a psychological illness. Children, in this case, are pre-pubescent. Age difference is not a factor (except, perhaps, when it is a very small age difference, when one is essentially going through puberty).
 
 
Cat Chant
07:17 / 11.06.03
Do you define pedophilia to exclude yourself?

Great question. I'm convinced that the UK's demonization of "paedophiles" functions to legitimate, back-handedly, the eroticization of childhood which is very deep and widespread in this culture (as well as to divert attention to "paedophiles" [= Them] and away from the far more common intrafamilial abusers, who are indistinguishable from Us and might make us have to think about power relations and the workings of sexuality within the family).

I have to say I am less interested in calibrating the precise nature of paedophilia as a pathology - since this seems to me to be a cover-up, as I hope I've started to indicate above - and more interested in thinking about the ways in which adult/child desire, and the abuse of children by adults (which is a separate phenomenon and not, in fact, I would argue, always related to specifically adult/child desire), plays in different social and cultural contexts. But it's very hard to talk about this stuff honestly and rigorously, given the extent of the hysteria it generates (see, now I feel like I have to state clearly, for the record, that it is wrong for adults to sexually abuse children, since any deviation from the contentless huffing of the moral majority in this country tends to be taken as condoning child abuse).

I've recommended this book before, but I'm still very keen on Louise Armstrong's Rocking the Cradle of Sexual Politics. Her feminism is a little old-skool Anglo-American for my tastes, but the book is a pretty clear-sighted start on thinking about the politics of child abuse and has some interesting historical comparisons.
 
 
Cat Chant
07:19 / 11.06.03
Ooh, and if anyone knows anything about therapeutic treatment of child sex offenders (that is, adult convicted of sexual offences against children), I'd be really interested to know, since what I've picked up makes it look like that's another really difficult area for me - a place where medical treatment, punishment, and 'brainwashing' start to turn into one another.
 
 
Spaniel
09:00 / 11.06.03
Not only are children sexualized, they are also, conversely, paragons of virtue and innocence.

Then comes their sixteenth birthday, after which they are to fucked. HARD!

I find it all quite disturbing.
 
 
Axel Lambert
09:36 / 11.06.03
Slightly off topic, but one thing that disturbs me is that linked to Phil Hine's website are a number of sites for pedophiles(it seems).
 
 
Olulabelle
10:06 / 11.06.03
Recently, a British newspaper (The Sun) succesfully campaigned to have a range of provocative underwear for children aged seven and upwards removed from a nationwide chainstore, BHS. In a column in the Guardian, a female journalist wrote this about the Sun's campaign:

The range of knickers and padded bras, emblazoned with a Little Miss Naughty motif, were withdrawn from stores. The newspaper - which that day also carried a double page, colour photograph of a topless teenager posing with an army truck as a war-time morale booster - went on to print a list of other "provocative" high street items, including cropped tops for three-year-olds from Next, kids' thongs from Etam and a "very adult" bikini from Debenhams. There is something deeply discomfiting about seeing children dressed in overtly sexy clothing, not least because of the reactions it elicits in adults. But what exactly do we mean by provocative?

The rest of the article appears here

I think this is very interesting, because I personally find it disturbing to see small girls dressed up in crop tops and high heels with make-up on imitiating Britney Spears. To be clear, I don't want to appear to be saying that it's the sexualisation of pre-adolescent girls which tempts Paedophiles, but I do think that our society encourages children, girls in particular, to dress in an adult fashion at a very young age. It is becoming increasingly difficult to guess the age of teenagers - twelve year olds can easily look seventeen.

I also think that the definition of Paeodphilia encompasses teenagers too - I don't think that it acceptable for an adult male to have sex with any girl under the age of 16, not because the law says so, but because these girls are not yet sexually fully aware of their bodies, the consequences of sex, or possibly even able to understand that the idea if an adult male fancying them is not acceptable. When I was a teenager (in this instance I mean under 16) there were men in my village aged between 20 and 25 who regularly had sex with girls in my school. We found the attention flattering then - but now I look back it worries me greatly.

However, the ethics of finding children sexually attractive run deeper than men viewing pre-pubescent or adolescent girls, for example who here has seen the film Leon but did not find Mathilda attractive? I know I did, and I'm female. I think the character of Mathilda was supposed to be 12 years old, yet she was portrayed in a very sexual manner. Does that therefore make me a Paedophile? Leon and Mathilda's relationship boundaries were not clearly defined in the film - she loved him not just as a father figure, and yet the film makes this acceptable somehow.

If the rate of Paedophilia is on the increase I think we must look to our society as well as accepting that it's a psychological illness - outside factors do seem to be increasing the number of men who have this disorder.
 
 
Cat Chant
10:11 / 11.06.03
Humph. Leon. I watched it while I was thinking about Harry/Snape to see whether it had anything interesting to say about adult/child desire but it didn't, at all, it just imposed a standard adult/adult romance plot on an adult/child relationship. It was basically a standard, Meg-Ryan/Tom-Hanks-style, romantic comedy with the obligatory twist. Except that this time it wasn't that the lovers were separated by distance or misunderstanding, it was that one of them was an adult hitman and the other a 12yo girl... with hilarious results.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
10:20 / 11.06.03
On the flip side, do we consider women who have sex with under-age boys to be paedophiles as well? It seems that that whenever a case appears involving an adult woman and a teenage boy, there is not the same level of uproar. Is there any evidence to show that "this kind" of paedophilia is less damaging psychologically to boys when they are the victims?
 
 
Spaniel
10:48 / 11.06.03
outside factors do seem to be increasing the number of men who have this disorder.

Are paedophile numbers really on the increase? Haven't men, historically, always been attracted to young females? A few hundred years ago it wasn't unusual for a man to marry a girl of twelve. In fact I believe that in many countries around the world that kind of behaviour is still acceptable. If anything, western cultural norms have probably decreased (not to mention fetishized) incidents of paedophilia - by inventing it.

I really worry about all this talk of disorders. It all seems like so much displacement activity.

We know who the paedos are, they're those blokes with that evil disorder. You know, they wear macks and that.

And not.

Your dad, best friend etc...
 
 
Olulabelle
11:04 / 11.06.03
Bobossboy, I think rates are on the increase - you can do a simple search in Google which links to tons of articles about it, but I take your point about the nature of historical adult male/female child relationships. But in that case, if in some cultures it is acceptable to marry a 12 year old, does that therefore mean that that culture cannot/does not have Paedophiles? Can we judge that culture with our societal norms or standards, and say that they are wrong?

I really worry about all this talk of disorders. It all seems like so much displacement activity.

If it were my dad/best friend/uncle or whatever, I would still say disorder, because that's what it is, isn't it? It's not displacement. I'm not qualified to quote the psychological nature of it, perhaps someone here can define the psychological growth or definitions of the...er...behaviour.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:31 / 11.06.03
Well, yes. It's an othering process. It's worth noting that the police only ever pick up paedophiles who look like paedophiles. Whether this is because paedophiles always *do* look like paedophiles, or because we are only interested in paedophiles who look like paedophiles is unclear.

The tabloid press is very interesting on this - famously, the Sun was caught out displkaying a 15-year old model on page 3, IIRC, and arguing that there was nothing *sexual* about page 3 - it was merely a disinterested celebration of physical beauty - and then running a countdown until here 16th birthday and reappearance. see also the Star's beautifully unaware juxtaposing of an articel condemning Brass Eye's Paedogeddon with a story on how Charlotte Church's breasts had grown.

All pretty sick and nasty, and the idea of 20-25 year old men trying to screw schoolgirls is...well, it seems pathetic, before we even get onto the legalities. But is a 16-year-old girl going to be better equipped than a 15-year old to deal with sexual contact with 25-year old social misfits? In a sense any age of consent is going to be arbitrary; there are friends of mine nearing 30 who I would not trust with genitalia...
 
 
Spaniel
11:41 / 11.06.03
Can we judge that culture with our societal norms or standards, and say that they are wrong?

Not quite sure what you are trying to say here. Surely if you are suggesting that we can't or shouldn't then how can paedophilia be seen as anything other than a cultural construct, and therefore not a disorder in any meaningful sense (unless you want to argue, and I believe some have, that psychological disorders are little else)?

As for whether the aforementioned cultures have paedophiles, well that surely depends on how they define the term.

The thing is, I'm not saying the abuse of children doesn't worry me, because it really does. I'm also not trying to say that there is no room for a definition of paedophilia as a product of a damaged psyche. I'm just concerned with what I see as grey areas. At what point am I paedophile? When I find a fifteen year old girl attractive? When I marry a twelve year old? When I watch Leon? When I lust over eight year olds but never act on the impulse? When I rape a child?

Disorder talk, whilst I'm sure not entirely unhelpful in the correct context, can't help but be misused in the popular media as a means of othering the paedophile. That's why I mentioned dads, best friends etc... because these tendencies are probably not too unusual in the population at large (as illustrated by other cultures), and we need to realise that paedos aren't just lone baddies in long coats (that's not to say that I'm suggesting anyone here thinks that). Amidst the current tabloid hysteria there really is very little mention of the fact that most incidents of paedophilia take place much, much closer to home - that would be far too unpleasant and might force us to ask some hard questions of ourselves.
 
 
waxy dan
11:42 / 11.06.03
I think one has to able/prepared to consider something to be 'wrong'. No nessecarily in pointing to another culture, but certainly in considering our own.

It's unforunate that it's the case, but some absolutes have to be presumed for a society to function in moral and legal terms. Some things have to be termed wrong, and arbitary rulings like the age of consent have to be made.

In just the same way that a line in a road is drawn to seperate the lanes.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
11:44 / 11.06.03
And conversely again, there are fifteen-year-olds who are more sexually experienced and emotionally mature than any number of adults who are allowed to make serious decisions about their own lives which they fuck up.

In a perfect world, when someone is sexually mature would be up to them, obvious and respected by everyone else, and we wouldn't need what are quite obviously blanket laws which put a vulnerable seventeen-year-old in the 'fair game' box, but heavily penalize kissing a perfectly unconcerned fifteen-year-old - with the possible consequence of inflicting the 'victim' status on the child.

This is a situation where law acts because it has to, somehow, in an area which isn't really legistlation-friendly.

I hate this discussion. Every thought I have about it turns out to be wrong when I look at it closely.
 
 
Cat Chant
11:53 / 11.06.03
I would still say disorder, because that's what it is, isn't it? It's not displacement.

No, it is not a disorder in all cases. The abuse of female children by adult male family members has been legally condoned and culturally sanctioned for hundreds of years, both in this country and in the US (the only places I know anything about) and the current hysteria about paedophilia as a psychiatric disorder only covers this fact up, rather than doing anything to tackle the problem.

Louise Armstrong's book (referenced above) collects articles from the period leading up to the mid-1970s showing that the dominant scientific/psychiatric/cultural view was that there was nothing wrong with chld abuse. Cf a paper in the Stanford Law Report, 1975:

"I believe that such conduct [abuse of a female child by an adult male family member] may not always be harmful and therefore the term 'abuse' may be inappropriate. While it will be used in this section, no condemnation of the behavior is intended."

A pyschiatric/sociological paper from the 1950s: "So great can the role of the victim be in sex offenses that many should be considered offenders themselves".

Testimony from survivors of incest constantly reiterates the abuser's claim that "it is natural". One father interviewed in the 1970s said: "I'm a decent man. I don't run around on my wife, and I've never slept with anyone except my wife and my daughters". 'The Police Perspectivein Child Abuse and Neglect' (published 1977) says: 'Fathers confronted with detection... often express surprise that incest is punishable by law. THey frequently insist that they have done nothing wrong. Some fathers believe sexual access to be one of their parental rights'.

I can't remember the reference off-hand but there was a famous judge in this country, I think, who commended one father for not seeking sex outside the home when his wife was ill, but rather getting it from his daughters.

None of this sounds to me like a psychiatric disorder. It sounds to me like a hangover from patriarchy, where the children's bodies were the property of the father and he was entitled to do what he liked with them.
 
 
Mr Messy
11:55 / 11.06.03
The medical profession lumps paedophilia in with a whole bunch of other deviations: Exhibitionism (exposure of genitals to strangers). Fetishism (finding nonliving objects erotic eg women's underwear). Paedophilia. Frotteurism (fantasies, urges or behviour centred around rubbing self against non-consenting other). Sexual masochism and sadism. Transvestic festishism (cross-dressing for erotic pleasure). Voyeurism (fantasies, urges or behviour centred around watching non-consenting others undressing, or having sex).

The limitations of this definition is interesting and alarming in itself. But thats probably a whole other discussion.

My understanding of paedophilia is that it has been found largely in men rather than women, although this could well be due to how we define paedophilia and what our culture is willing to see. Psychodynamic theory states that paedophilia is generally a result of an abusive childhood and/or a damaged family system. The idea is that by being abused as a child we may then eroticise this very act and become unable to separate sex and abuse out later in life. (This is a very simplistic explanation, my apologies).

Looking coldly at that theory, it feels miles apart from the tabloid picture. To me, in the psychodynamic approach everyone has been a victim at some point, and I feel a compassionate response. I do not feel like joining an angry mob.

I do question the ethics of popular culture and the seemingly growing sexualisation (is that a real word?) of children. But it does seem to be a separate phenomena to the actual act of child abuse.
 
 
Olulabelle
11:58 / 11.06.03
Yes, I hate it too Nick, for precisely the same reason.

I think we could do with knowing how paedophilia is defined within medical criteria. I think it would help if we knew whether it actually was a disorder or if it is just a creation of society. I know that those who were abused as children are more likely to become abusers as adults, which would suggest that it's a/ learned behaviour, b/a result of damage from abuse or c/inherited illness. Which leaves us no further forward.

Ganesh? Xoc? We need your medical knowledge...
 
 
Olulabelle
12:00 / 11.06.03
This is all happening too quickly so I posted without seeing Deva and Mr Messy's post. Apologies.
 
 
Mr Messy
12:00 / 11.06.03
Ooh, now I've just read what Deva wrote and have had to think again. Yes I agree totally. Of course it is much more complicated than I first thought.
There is a context of course, and it is only in this specific time and place where we can pathologise paedophilia.

I suppose my list of paraphilias which included voyerism and s&m made that point too.

I have to agree with Nick, the more I read and think, then my opinions change.
 
 
Ganesh
12:18 / 11.06.03
This is an oft-explored area on Barbelith, and sometimes a problematic one. This thread, despite its somewhat predictable deterioration, attempted to examine some of the difficulties inherent in pigeonholing the phenomenon of paedophilia.

Will contribute more later...
 
 
Spaniel
14:22 / 11.06.03
Waxy, I'm not trying to get into a debate about moral relativism, I was just pointing out that our attitudes towards the sexualisation of children in the west could do with a much closer look. Instead what we get is a whole lot of hysteria directed towards a bunch of evil child buggerers...

... and paediatricians.
 
 
waxy dan
14:38 / 11.06.03
Neither was I. That would really be a pointless line of debate. I was trying to limit that by stating "but certainly in considering our own".

Also, I was replying to olulabelle and Haus, I hadn't even read your comment by the time I posted.
 
 
Spaniel
14:48 / 11.06.03
A case of crossed wires.

Nice to see that Ganesh actually has some evidence to back-up my suspicion that sexual attraction to children is relatively widespread.
 
 
SMS
15:12 / 11.06.03
Haus: It's worth noting that the police only ever pick up paedophiles who look like paedophiles.

Haus, could you elaborate on this, please?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:25 / 11.06.03
Have you never noticed? Seriously. The only people who are ever arrested for crimes involving sexual acts with children look like paedophiles. Obviously, I'm generalising. On those rare occasions, however, when the apprehended paedophile does not look like a paedophile, this fact is drawn to our attention. The strangeness of a paedophile who does not look like a paedophile is to be commented on.

I'm being a little flippant, of course, but I would suggest that there are a set of signifiers of nonce quotient entirely unconnected to what one happens to think, to feel or to do in situations involving children. This is where things get difficult, for example if you are a paediatrician or, in extreme cases, an opponent of Megan's law. There was a thread germaine to this some time ago - will see if I can dig it out.
 
 
waxy dan
15:53 / 11.06.03
Isn't that a nessecary step in creating a monster? That the monster is easily recognisable?

Damn. A friend of mine did her thesis on the demonisation of paedophiles in modern media. I'll see if I can get in touch with her for a copy.

Bobossboy: I don't think you're going to get very far with that debate. It's not something people are going to feel comfortable talking about as it necessitates referring to oneself (to maintain any worth or honesty in the debate). And I can't see that many people admitting that they find Tatu-stylee media a turn-on. Which is a shame, as it is an interesting and timely discussion.
 
 
Spaniel
15:58 / 11.06.03
Matthew, as I understand it, it is a fact that most reported incidents of paedophilia occur within the family unit, and by most I mean 99.999% of cases. That said, our british, and I assume your american, media see fit to overlook this little problem and its much broader implications in favour of lone pervert stories.

Lone perverts are great tabloid fodder because 1) they pray on our fears of the dangerous other - the bogey-man if you like, whilst 2) simultaneously lulling us into a false sense of security: if I know that paedophiles are dangerous lone loonies, not only can I more easily identify and locate the threat, I can also be sure that I have nothing to fear closer to home and, therefore, need not ask myself complex and difficult questions about my sexuality and the sexuality of those around me.
 
 
Spaniel
16:01 / 11.06.03
Damn. A friend of mine did her thesis on the demonisation of paedophiles in modern media. I'll see if I can get in touch with her for a copy.

That would be cool.
 
 
diz
16:04 / 11.06.03
in general, i really hate to make big distinctions along biological lines, but i have serious problems with any definition of p(a)edophilia which doesn't acknowledge a major and significant distinction between prepubescents and postpubescents.

as Bobossboy noted, in many cultures, past and present, marriage and sexual activity between adult males and 12-13 year old girls is commonplace, and in most important biological senses, women are adults at around that age, if not earlier - the age of menarche is dropping in most developed countries. i believe the average in some areas is as young as 9-10 years old now. it's unreasonable to expect that men of whatever age are not going to react on some level to a biologically adult woman as if she were a biologically adult woman, and so i think that any attempt to pathologize attraction to teenage girls is misguided at best. at worst, it's cruel to make adult hetero males feel like perverts for feeling twinges in their pants when a 15-year old with nice tits walks by, or for whacking off to a TATU video. attraction in such circumstances is both reflexive and perfectly normal and should not be stigmatized.

however, that said, behavior is another matter, which, to me, is less clear-cut.

the stigma attached to adult-teenager sexual relations in Western culture and the concerns of emotional trauma and victimization are clearly cultural in origin, as demonstrated by the commonplace nature of teenage sexual activity (often with adults) in other cultures. however, simply because it's a cultural thing doesn't mean that it's not very real in practice to the people in that culture. young teenagers in our society are generally not adults, whether they are in other cultures, and, as a result, the psychological consequences can be devestating. perhaps more problematic is the perhaps inevitable power imbalance in an adult/teen sexual relationship, which raises the victimization issue.

however, i don't think none of these issues are black and white. a lot of the emotional trauma, i think, stems from feelings of shame or guilt or confusion or whatever, so we're left with a situation where the social stigma essentially causes the problems by which it justifies itself. that's kind of stupid in my book, but it's irresponsible to pretend that it's the kind of thing that we as an enlightened culture can just chuck to the wind without lots and lots of people getting hurt.

i think that it's important to strike a balance between the reality that there can be healthy sexual relations between older and younger partners in certain circumstances, with certain partners, and the other reality that, because of cultural realities, most such situations will not be under those circumstances and will not be healthy. it's important to acknowledge that age differential is a major factor, but it's not the only one.

it's really a case-by-case thing that has to be judged based on the psychological makeup of the individuals involved - some 15 years olds are more adult than others. for that reason, i'm not sure that a witch-hunting atmosphere or legal/penal action based on broad, arbitrary statutes make the situation any better. i think that the weight of social disapproval is sufficient to keep the problem to a minimum, and interferes unnecessarily with the private sexualities of those few people who might enjoy a consensual, mutually-fulfilling romp with a partner outside of the normal range of social acceptability.
 
 
Spaniel
16:15 / 11.06.03
Hope Ganesh doesn't mind me nabbing the products of his research...

Regarding paedophilic attraction:

In the DSM-IV, the boundary for paedophilia is puberty; the younger person is to be prepubertal. Quite apart from the fact that puberty varies between individuals (and may be changing over generations), it is not a marker that's particularly grounded historically or cross-culturally.

The diversity of sexual behaviour in a cross-cultural perspective is amazing to those who assume that their own (or their own society's) moral standards are somehow laws of nature. Although child-adult relationships are currently condemned in Western society as being inherently abusive and exploitative, there have been (and still are) many societies that don't share this viewpoint.

A handful of examples: Ford & Beach (1951) described child-adult sex among the Siwa Valley North Africans - "All men and boys engage in anal intercourse. Males are singled out as peculiar if they do not do so. Prominent Siwan men lend their sons to each other for this purpose"; among the Aranda aborigines of Central Australia, "a man, who is fully initiated but not yet married, takes a boy ten or twelve years old, who lives with him as his wife for several years, until the older man marries"; Diamond (1990) reviewed child-adult sex throughout Hawaiian history and Polynesia, including public sex between an adult male and an 11-year-old girl "without the least sense of it being indecent or improper". Sexual relations between adult and child were seen as benefitting the child rather than gratifying the adult.

Bauserman (1997) reports that among the Etoro of New Guinea, from about age 10, boys would have regular oral sex with older men, swallowing their semen "to facilitate growth". Among the neighbouring Kaluli, when a boy reached age 10 or 11, his father would select a man to inseminate him for a period of months to years.

Finally, for three centuries the age of consent in England was 10 - up until within 39 years of World War I. The impetus to raise the age of sexual consent was fuelled not by outrage over paedophilia per se but concerns over child prostitution...

I'm giving these examples not to argue that child-adult sex is a really great idea but to point out that, as with ritual cannibalism, the practice is not inherently wrong or 'unnatural' but contingent upon cultural context.

Oh, and arguments that paedophilia is unknown among animals are flawed. The obligatory example is that of the bonobo: not only are 'non-fertile' (same-sex or juvenile-adult) sexual pairings as frequent as 'potentially-fertile' (adult male-female) combinations, but a third of sexual contacts by an adult with an infant were initiated by the infant (De Waal, 1990).

My previous assertion that around one fifth of adult males experience sexual arousal toward children may have been a conservative recollection. In Briere & Runtz's 1989 study of around 200 university males, 21% reported some sexual attraction to small children, 9% described sexual fantasies involving children, 5% admitted to having masturbated to sexual fantasies of children, and 7% indicated they might have sex with a child if not caught (the researchers concluded that "given the probable social undesirability of such admissions, we may hypothesise that the actual rates were even higher"). In a later sample of 100 male and 180 female undergraduate students, 22% of males and 3% of females reported sexual attraction to a child (Smiljanich & Briere, 1996).

In plethysmographic studies (those measuring penile responsivity), the rate of penile arousal to pictures of prepubescent girls "equalling or exceeding arousal to an adult" averages between 17-50%. The subjects of these studies vary from being 'normal' undergraduates and hospital workers to Czech soldiers.


Looks like we're not just dealing with men marrying twelve year old girls.
 
 
diz
16:23 / 11.06.03
Matthew, as I understand it, it is a fact that most reported incidents of paedophilia occur within the family unit, and by most I mean 99.999% of cases. That said, our british, and I assume your american, media see fit to overlook this little problem and its much broader implications in favour of lone pervert stories.

this is a huge general blind spot in the American media at least, not limited to pedophilia in the least. IIRC, and i don't have my statistics on me, most women who are raped are raped by people they know (boyfriends, husbands, friends, acquaintances, or family members), and women are significantly more likely to be the victims of domestic violence than street violence.

you would never know any of this by looking at where the media chooses to place emphasis. much more ink is spilled on the subject of the dangers of our urban streets than on the dangers of our suburban homes. we drill fear into everyone about walking home at night, and teach women in particular how to defend herself against the man in the bushes without acknowledging that they're actually safer walking home than they are once they actually get there.

i think it's also worth noting (again, IIRC, please correct me if i'm wrong) that rates of domestic abuse, marital infidelity, alcoholism, suicide, etc. are significantly higher with members of certain professions (police and military especially) which are held in high social regard, and in certain geographical areas (the Bible Belt, basically) that we are taught to revere as the most safe and least affected by the ravages of urban crime.

as a result, we demonize the subhuman, almost exclusively non-white street criminal and the lone pervert (especially keeping in mind the increasing tendency among culutral conservatives to link homosexuality and pedophilia) rather than acknowledge how deeply fucked up our traditional patriarchal Christian family structure is.

as a whole, America is projecting its fears of everything that is happening in the very heart of traditional America onto the Other, and the quite frankly deceptively inaccurate portrayal of the average pedophile as a perverted (i.e. queer) stranger is a major part of that.
 
 
Ganesh
16:29 / 11.06.03
Bobossboy: I don't mind lengthy quoting at all, but it isn't actually my research paper; it's all paraphrased from a review of the subject in the Archives of Human Sexuality.
 
 
Spaniel
19:58 / 11.06.03
By "research" I only meant that you had dug the information up, not that you were the author.
 
  
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