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Anti-Israel sentiment sweeps Barbelith?

 
  

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grant
16:55 / 21.09.01
I'm not sure there has ever been peace in the Holy Land. It doesn't fit my concept.
Romans. Crusaders. On and on....

Edit my head.
 
 
Naked Flame
17:07 / 21.09.01
Come to London and see people of all colours and creeds living cheek by jowl in a city of 8 million and only lightly killing each other very occasionally.

Seriously though, I think London right now is a pretty good example of a city whose ethnic mix more or less works- not without problems (ethnic minorities still tend to be poorer- just not poor and despised.)

It can be done.

Footage out of Pakistan today showed angry mobs being whipped up into a frenzy by Islamic mullahs. BUT, says the reporter, everybody still likes Westerners individually... he reckons that yer average man on the street hates Washington, but takes individual Americans as he finds them (presumably he usually finds them loaded with dollars and blissed-out on the local ganja.)

Living with the people who shoot at you, bomb you etc. must be just a tad tougher.
 
 
MJ-12
17:24 / 21.09.01
quote: Come to London and see people of all colours and creeds living cheek by jowl in a city of 8 million and only lightly killing each other very occasionally.
The problem with that is I don't think there are that meany people who believe that London was given to them by God, and who define peace as what happens after they bulldoze the corpses of everyone else into the sea. Though I'm sure there are a few.

quote: BUT, says the reporter, everybody still likes Westerners individually
I know someone who was in Iran a couple of years back and he said he'd be in the middle of a conversation and there would be spontaneous outbreaks of "DEATH TO AMERICA!...uh, we don't mean you. You're ok."

[ 21-09-2001: Message edited by: MJ-12 ]
 
 
Hush
02:56 / 23.09.01
No one here opposes the Israeli people, a concept which includes palistinian moslems and christians, and loads of other people who live in Israel.

I think we all dissaprove in principle of any government that oppresses its own people, by denying them access to the benefits of citizenship, equal rights and justice.

Its quite important to distinguish betwen people and their government as this confusion leads to 'no one is innocent' justification for indiscrimate action. As we have seen.
 
 
Tucker Tripp
05:19 / 25.09.01
While I agree with your sentiment Nick. Who will govern? How will the state run? Niether side respects the other. There are too many conflicting interests. I would love it if "they could just work it all out" but that doesn't seem realistic.

cynical: The most similar peoples have the biggest problems. Its like sibling rivalry or something.
 
 
sleazenation
06:48 / 25.09.01
quote: The passage which caused offence said: "One of the factors that helps breed terror is the anger that many people in the region feel at events over the years in the Palestinian territories."

Apparently the above passage was so offensive to Israli Prime minister, Ariel Sharon, that he canceled his meeting with its author, British foreign secutary jack straw.

Its actions such as this by the Israle government that repeatedly dim my hope for peace in the middle east...
 
 
Dharma Bum
01:10 / 05.10.01
Hi-

I have huge problems with Israeli policy. Can I still be pro-Israel, though?

I think the major problem with the politcally-correct left is that unfortunatly, it has a tendency to deny the right of existence of Israel as a fundamentally Jewish state.

I don't care how utopian you are in your view of the world, but every other race of people in the world have a place they can call home. A place where theirs is the dominant language, the dominant culture, the dominant context.

Living as a minority in a "melting pot" city or something is only possible when you know that somewhere out there exists a place where you are not a minority.

And the Jews deserve that as much as any other people.

And to claim that Israel was founded entirely on land theft is, I'm sorry, just incorrect. Much land was legimately purchased, some land was abandoned in '48, some land was, admittedly, stolen through violence. But Jewish land was also stolen by Arabs in exactly the same way.

Ultimately, ask any Palestinian what they really want, and I fear that they will tell you what they want is the end of a jewish state in Israel-- because eventually, things like the right of return imply a Palestinian, Arab majority.
 
 
sirius
01:31 / 06.10.01
Footage "out of Afghanistan" showed corpses being dug up from a taliban slaughter.
Muslims are not allowed to disturb the dead!
This has caused problems with Egyptology in recent years. Corpses cannot be disturbed for any reason.
Why can they be dug up and displayed on CNN?
this looks too much like the fake nurses and infants at the start of the last "Wag the Dog" war: the Gulf War.
(fake nurses posed in nurses' uniform and told of Iranianians' unplugging premature babies heating lamps.
No one ever explained why those nurses did not just wrap blankets around the infants.
Knock on door must go.
 
 
moriarty
02:09 / 06.10.01
And no one ever heard from Sirius again...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
02:09 / 06.10.01
quote:Originally posted by Dharma Bum:
I think the major problem with the politcally-correct left is that unfortunatly, it has a tendency to deny the right of existence of Israel as a fundamentally Jewish state.


Really. What is the Christian homeland? I know that Muslims are big on Mecca, but otherwise do they have an actual designated homeland? Or Buddhists? Can someone help me out here because I'm now seeing Israel as being even more of an anachronism...
 
 
Dharma Bum
09:33 / 07.10.01
The difference being that Judaism is somewhere between being a religion and a nationality-- or maybe its both interchangeably. Unlike Islam or Christianity or Buddhism or the Bahaii faith.

One can be Islamic and not an Arab. Or Catholic but not Italian. But Italians and Arabs both have "homes". (In the case of Arabs, multiple homes).
 
 
RexMonday
09:33 / 07.10.01
where do you draw the racial line? if "jews" deserve a homeland, why dont "palestinians"? its simple enough to say that palestinians are "arabs" and should go live among other arabs, but do you think that lebanese, iraqis, iranis, egyptians, etc., necessarily view the palestinians, or any other group identified as "arab" as being fundamentally the same kind of people?by that kind of logic we may as well point out that most of today's jews are indistinguishable from europeans and should therefore be comfortable in some caucasian homeland.
 
 
grant
09:33 / 07.10.01
The origin of Israel is intimately tied to Hitler and to European policies to Jews after the war.
It's still paying itself out now....
 
 
w1rebaby
09:33 / 07.10.01
quote:Living as a minority in a "melting pot" city or something is only possible when you know that somewhere out there exists a place where you are not a minority.

This is only right if your basic sense of identity is as a member of said minority, rather than yourself, and how useful is that? Seems to me that attitude is one of the problems here.
 
  

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