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quote:Originally posted by Bio K-9, the Judgmental Jigger:
If they are monitoring everything we type why would you put yourself at risk by telling us (a bunch of people you don't know) anything? Even if they come and get you and we never hear from you again, well, we probably woln't remember this anyway. In the future I'd start out with "I will reveal more when the time comes" or "Its not safe for me to tell you of such things at this time" or some such shit.
Echelon is real. It does not trap all text, all transmission. It does trap a large amount. Most of what Echelon monitors is international in relation to the U.S. Some of what Echelon monitors is internal (U.S.) exchange. Echelon is technologically imperfect, but still frighteningly effective.
Carnivore is real. Carnivore is run by the FBI, and has many technological limitations. Carnivore ostensibly involves e-mail. It is technologically capable of monitoring more from what I can tell from the specifications (which are publically available), but there aren't sufficient deployments for such advanced functionality yet. Carnivore is a relatively focused tool.
Please don't dismiss information out of hand without checking the research. Both Echelon and Carnivore are internationally recognized as very, very real intelligence apparati.
It has nothing to do with 'them' monitoring 'everything' as you say. They monitor specific types of exchanges for specific types of information. Is that so far-fetched?
I think people should be warned that there's a fine line between critical induction of all new information and stifling the flow of possible information by refusing out of hand to consider the evidence. An open mind is not closed to foreign thought ; but should always consider and weigh the data being inducted. Here you have demonstrated a lack of desire to consider the data, dismissing it out of hand purely, it would appear, out of association (you seem to think anyone who is concerned about governmental abuse of surveillence power is a Laila/Chrome/RRM fictionsuit). In fact, I have a moderately researched piece regarding Echelon in the 'zine, under either the Switchboard or the Labatory. You'll notice I cite as resources patents registered to the NSA (National Security Association) and white-papers published by the NSF (Nation Science Foundation). Take a look. It's very, very real.
While I don't vouch for everything Sirius has to say, he's not full of shit in this particular instance. I'm sympathetic to your feelings if I'm correct about your reaction being a knee-jerk out of fear of encountering another Laila/Chrome/RRM clone. However, what Sirius has to say here is not nearly in the same territory as insisting the world is run by blood drinking reptilian paedophiles, and that difference should be noted. |
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