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Jub
08:50 / 03.06.03
Spooks

The second series started last night on BBC1. I love this program. I know it's a bit chuffed with itself and tries to be a bit 24 and a bit matrix at the same time, but I reckon it turns out nicely.

Maybe it's because I like spy programs, or maybe it's because of the seemingly plausible plotlines, or the quality of the acting, or the tension from Tom and Ellie's relationship, or just the general pace of the show.

Last night's episode saw the fallout from the dramatic end of last seasons climax and a Serbian terriorist's plot to kill all the people at the COBRA meeting (the chuffed and real name of an emergency group who deal with national crises).

Next week Tom et al are going to be confronting Islamic terrorism.

So - what does everyone think? Good topical show? or sad and wanky BBC trying to be cool?
 
 
Sax
11:48 / 03.06.03
To be honest, I though it was impenetrable shite. Absolutely no tension, no build-up, and just a succession of events that in no way engage the viewer or encourage any interaction in the way of trying to guess what's going to happen or caring about the characters.

Spooks should consider itself pissed on from a great height by State of Play.
 
 
Jub
13:44 / 03.06.03
That's a bit unfair.

I care about the characters, I like the fact that they're all a bit personally crap but do their highly high tech jobs. I think the tension *is* there - the race to get to the COBRA meeting whilst Ellie was on the phone asking him to choose was great.

To be fair, I am a sucker for espionage stuff, and I really like Alias too. So that's where my level of entertainment for TV is.

I haven't seen State of Play, but will try and check it out soon.
 
 
Future Perfect
13:54 / 03.06.03
Sax has a point re: State of Play, which really is top notch and well worth checking out if you can, Jub.

That said I really like Spooks too. It's trashy, for sure, and I'm certain working at MI5 is nothing like they portray it, but it's good, satisfying, pacey trash and a welcome return to Monday evenings as far as I go.

The twist at the beginning of the episode was top and did not feel like a cop out (which it really should have done). And there was some good tense stuff - Zoe's meeting with Radovan (sp?) to look at her CV managed to be both (intentionally) amusing and nervy. (Oddly, Radovan reminded me of Furio from the Sopranos in that scene).

And, well, it's hard to put down a mainstream TV series that killed of it's biggest star two episodes in in particularly gruesome fashion.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:09 / 03.06.03
Yeah, State of Play is excellent and getting better all the time but I was also looking forward to Spooks coming back on. Bit of a James Cameron opener but I'm sure it will continue well. Pissed off that Ellie and the bairn were not blown up because Spooks' preparedness to do violence to your expectations was its great selling point, ever since the shocking deep fat fryer scenes in series one. There were a few clever, if brief, references back to bits of series one too, giving me confidence they'll let it dig deeper than the freneticism of this first programme.

I could watch the gorgeous Matthew Macfadyen, mind, whatever he was in.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:13 / 03.06.03
Everything that Xoc said.
 
 
Seth
21:25 / 03.06.03
I'm definitely watching next week's. It's got Alexander Siddig in it! Huzzah!
 
 
Mourne Kransky
22:13 / 03.06.03
Thought that was him on the park bench in the trailer and then thought not. Hooray! Must banish thoughts of Bashir's intrigues with Section 31 from my mind.
 
 
Sax
06:21 / 04.06.03
But I just thought there was absolutely no tension at all, Jub. That bit where the bloke was racing to the Cobra meeting with his wife on the blower - sorry, but you would just tell her to fuck off or not answer your phone because there's life-saving to be done. And it lasted about two minutes.

I agree the missus and kid should have been blown up, Xoc, especially after what they did to poor Lisa Faulkner was fried in the last series.

I thought the whole thing was ho-hum. "Here are some Irishmen... oh, they're dead now. Here's a Serb... he likes videos, let's open a video shop... oh no, that woman I met on the bus last week at the other side of London, she's walked in the video shop... what are the chances of that... I know, let's invent some cuff-links that measure the exact key-strokes of a person's hand on a computer keyboard..."

Jesus. Give me Secret Squirrel any day.
 
 
Olulabelle
15:47 / 05.06.03
Yes Ellie and the wee one should have been blown to smithereens, leaving Matthew McFadyen with a deep and all-consuming sense of guilt and fatalism - but I quite liked the different door trick a la Silence of the Lambs.

I know, let's invent some cuff-links that measure the exact key-strokes of a person's hand on a computer keyboard...

Isn't that the point of expensively produced spy drama's? If it reflected real life I'm sure it would be quite, quite dull and far less entertaining. And let's not forget James Bond had an invisible car, (which is going slightly too far if you ask me) so keystroke cufflinks appear tame in comparison do they not?
 
 
Seth
22:28 / 05.06.03
Siddig! Siddig! Siddig!
 
 
Sax
06:13 / 06.06.03
Yes, that's exactly the message you'd get from some cuff-links wired up to transmit someone's keystrokes.
 
 
Seth
20:09 / 09.06.03
That was almost unwatchably naff.

But totally redeemed by Bashir.

All hail Siddig!
 
 
Olulabelle
22:40 / 09.06.03
Hello? What about the smashing All this ridiculous James Bond-ery comment?!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:08 / 09.06.03
It was a slightly boring episode. The first reaction was, in turn, Siddig! The warnings were pointless, the opening scene wasn't shocking at all but don't worry everyone next weeks episode is far more fun... except for the final scene because it's boring.
 
 
Seth
06:24 / 10.06.03
I never realised there were Siddig fans around here. Maybe we should invite him to a Barbemeet and kidnap him.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:23 / 10.06.03
I was very disturbed by the fact that the 'mad mullah' character seemed to be played by reflect himself, obscured by a beard of secrets. "Perhaps he went to the trouble of auditioning in order to share the screen with his hero, Siddig", I thought. But anyway.

This was in many ways a re-run of the "Tony Head & the anarchists" episode, structurally - charismatic and brilliant but potentially untrustworthy rogue spy infiltrates a tabloid editor's wet dream of a proto terrorist group, keeps everyone guessing about his true allegiances, knocks the wind out of Tom after he tries to bring him in, then ends up dead while Tom lies on the floor and groans "nooooo...." (I missed the final few minutes, btw - anything important happen post-explosion?) This time round, the guy's ultimately on "our" side, and he's caught in the blast of someone else's suicide rather than just going ahead with his own, but the result is pretty similar. And he and Tom even had very similar political conversations sitting on a bench - which leads me to suspect that there's a common theme of "one way or another, the lefty idealist always ends up dead" going on... There's no getting round how reactionary this show can be.

But then, Tom's brand of smug, patriotic, public school Englishness seemed to be exposed to be pretty useless this week, too. He admits that he can't 'read' Siddig's character, let alone people with whom he has less in common culturally. He's also prone to highly morally dubious acts which don't really even get 'results', such as when he essentially bullies a traumatised kid who's been half-brainwashed by both sides into having a brain haemorrhage (after a pathetic attempt to reassure/console him - "you have our respect now", urgh, quite creepy). I think the show really needs to play up the morally fucked side of this character even more, and also push him closer to that nervous breakdown which is so clearly in the post. More death, failure and abandonment for Tom, please.

What's with all these new third-tier characters (new recruits, crap love interests)? I smell enemy agents. It'd be really great if one of the main three turned out to be a mole, but I suspect I'm dreaming...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:36 / 10.06.03
"one way or another, the lefty idealist always ends up dead" going on... There's no getting round how reactionary this show can be.

Can you expect anything else from a BBC show about MI5? Two British institutions collide and you have to get some kind of cliche from that. The point is that they're fighting the extremes while slowly making Tom extreme.

And his name is Anthony Head not Tony because no one who played Giles for seven seasons is allowed a name like Tony.


Now, far more importantly- his name is Siddig, who isn't his fan??? He sounds like a Russian space satellite and I spent the whole hour trying to work out if it was really him or I was being all wishful and that the man on screen was just a lookalike.
If we kidnap him could we keep him in a little box?
 
 
Olulabelle
13:50 / 10.06.03
The point of the CIA love interest is, I think, to allow Tom to form a relationship with someone who knows and understands his work, and will therefore not start blubbing everytime someone shouts "bomb" behind her. The point of the Doctor love interest is seemingly random apart from the fact that she played Rachel in This Life and is therefore probably seen as acceptable added 'top totty'.
 
 
Seth
21:15 / 10.06.03
Where will we keep the box? It'll probably end up in London (fairly central so that everyone can play with Bashir-gimp), although we could work out a timeshare.

Now all we have to do is get Avery Brooks to guest in Eastenders as The Man Who Kills Phil Mitchell. That would be perfect.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:48 / 10.06.03
Gosh it would be fun at meets. We could drag the box in to the pub and hand out little toys to entertain little Siddig with.

Ooh, the deep dark tones of the Commander 'I'm going to kill you now Phil Mitchell and no one's going to stop me. I have the full weight of the Federation behind me, you have caused a subspace anomaly beyond human comprehension with your constant meddling and misogynistic tendency. It's time to take out the trash.'
Ok, maybe not the last sentence.
 
 
Rev. Orr
01:33 / 11.06.03
Oh, please no. We'd have three weeks of the balding bonce of doom pondering the moral implications of his decision from a partially lit desk before he finally offed Growly dwarf to teach his son some obscure platitude about baseball.

Am I the only one to have a problem with the 'villain of the week' tendancy of this programme? I realise that all series can't be 'ultraviolet' cool and still touch base with an ongoing plot, but I still keep expecting a briefing at the start of each eposiode along the lines of "Well, thanks for solving the problem of international refugee smuggling, Tom. Today we were wondering if you could bring peace to the Middle East...".
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:00 / 11.06.03
But that would make it even better and I might suspect that Simon Pegg had started to write for the show.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
07:52 / 11.06.03
Larger than usual number of complaints to the BBC about the "racist" plot, it seems. Hmmm. More of a shit plot, really. What little suspense there might have been was punctured for me by Howard Benton disclosing most of it, including the final scenes, when interviewed by Mark Lawson on Front Row earlier in the evening.

Lovely Siddig. Having been "The Egyptian" and "The Algerian", I now expect him on East Enders as "The Tunisian". North African Spies R Us.

And you just know the imminent affair between Zoë and the tentative Slav in the pub will end badly. Salted, wrapped in newspaper, and served with mushy peas perhaps.

And Tom is clearly exciting his CIA contact to a frenzy with his grim and grumpy lack of interest. High octane dude.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:52 / 11.06.03
Re: ongoing plot - in the first episode we had Beck From Cracker as the rogue IRA guy saying all kinds of cryptic foreshadowy things about the sky falling in and the game changing, and the underlying implication (as I read it) seemed to be that there might be some kind of terrorist supergroup in operation. This ties in nicely with my theory that there's a Mole...

I think it might be too obvious for the Slave In The Pub to be a baddie - I expect him to be caught in the crossfire of treachery and suspicion that's hopefully on the way, though.
 
 
Seth
19:12 / 11.06.03
Make that one episode of intimidating ol' Mitch into a corner, followed by an assault with a baseball bat.

You watched one episode of DS9, didn't you? The first one.
 
 
Jub
10:15 / 17.06.03
Didn't think much at all of the anarchy one at all. Uh-oh the little computer boy (son of spy man) is seeing spiders and has got inside the inner-sanctum. The only good line was "it's only a stud from the market, you paranoid twat".
 
 
Jub
06:08 / 01.07.03
I hate Tim Henman.
 
 
Sax
10:43 / 01.07.03
Yeah, I couldn't believe it when I turned on to watch Spooks last night and was faced with dramatic, tense, fulfilling and exciting television.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
09:36 / 08.07.03
Caught last night's episode, thought it rocked in comparison to the earlier episodes, which were pants. However, I'm disappointed it how obvious the ending was...you just knew the state of emergency wasn't real and it was a mind-fuck exercise i.e. "let's see who keeps their cool and doesn't flip out and sit in the corner cacking their pants" kind of thing...and could Matthew McFadyen be any more wooden?
 
 
Jub
09:41 / 08.07.03
Ooooh, Tom lost his temper. Must've been serious. And telling what's-her-name-the-nasty-one-from-this-life off because he'd stood her up was outrageous.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:01 / 08.07.03
He was just disappointed that the world hadn't ended after all.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:18 / 08.07.03
I did like Psycho Rachel's revenge on Tom (putting gay whore cards up all over Soho with his full name, job and mobile on it) - I just can't believe that they've allowed a main character to be so crashingly dumb as to reveal his job and real name to someone who (oh so predictably) has subsequently turned bad. Surely Tom is too stupid to be a spy, no?
 
 
paw
20:13 / 08.07.03
yeah last night's apocalypse now episode was great, the first episode i've ever watched and on the strength of it i think it might become regualr viewing. the ending was shit as has been remarked, like the ending of a poor story for homework i once wrote '... i woke up sweating from my dream. it was a tough night, but i thanked god it wasn't real'
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:44 / 08.07.03
I didn't think the apocalypse episode quite worked. It was a little too obvious, crude and not particularly original. Harry was the dead giveaway, you just knew it was far too convenient for him to get ill like that. The whole apocalypta was however a good plot device for getting rid of the awful Doctor. Yuk, that actress is far too good at creepy and obviously TV needs more shots of the South Bank so that was fun, fun, fun.

Disappointingly Matthew didn't quite suit that gun pointing posture. I much prefer it when he strides purposefully through the office with coat and menacing glare.
 
  

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