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The Best Of Buffy Thread

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
15:05 / 21.05.03
Since the final episode of Buffy The Vampire Slayer has now aired in the US, I thought it was high time we had a thread to celebrate only the good things about all seven seasons (or however many you think were any good) of the show. I'll start with a few nominations...

Best Fight: the Buffy/Angelus swordfight in 'Becoming (Part II)'. One of those occasions in which the execution (okay, so you can tell the actors from the stuntpeople, but check the flair - the jumping and the buckling of swashes!) really matches up with the emotional context (he's done toying with her, she's finally ready to kill him - as Spike more or less observes, you just *know* they're not both going to walk away from this). This fight just has that sense of urgency, of the intensity that comes from two people who used to be more than allies desperately fighting to the death (the Buffy/Faith fight in 'Graduation Day Pt 1' comes a close second for similar reasons). Plus, it has that great bit where Buffy (having lost her sword) catches the blade of Angelus's sword between the palms of her hands and fucking smacks him in the face with the hilt!.

Funniest Episode: 'Doppelgangland'. Back when Joss Whedon didn't limit the episodes he wrote to season finales or gimmicks, he knew how to write his own characters better than anyone, and this Willow-centric episode is pretty much a basic introduction to why she was everyone's favourite character for a fair few seasons. The theme of the id has never been handled better by this show than in the form of Evil Leather Bisexual Vampire Willow, and I'm still impressed by the fact that the ultimate message of this episode is that 'our' Willow could stand to learn a thing or two from her. But this is about the funny, right? Well - selected highlights: "Look at me. I'm all... fuzzy."; "You don't have to be scared... just to please me."; Will getting her hand stuck in the girl's hair; Will's little wave to Oz...

Best Subtext: in the final confrontation with Mayor Richard Wilkins, who has 'ascended' - that is to say, become a giant snake - Buffy shows him the knife he gave Faith, still sticky with Faith's blood: "Remember this? I took it from Faith and I stuck it in her gut. Slid in like she was butter. You wanna take it back from me... Dick?" This is a subtext triple whammy, covering as it does: a) the sexual subtext of Buffy and Faith's relationship (in which sex and violence are so closely interwoven as to be synonymous, like all Buffy's romances - see also "give us a kiss" before the final B/F fight), b) the half-creepy, half-genuine father/daughter relationship between Faith and the Mayor - which because of Buffy's own relationship or lack thereof with her father, and the politics of the show at this stage, shades into c) the phallic symbolism of both knife and snake, particularly the Mayor-as-snake-as-Dick-as-patriachal-authority, whom/which Buffy then literally explodes. Together with her school. Take that!

I want this thread to never end. And no hating!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:54 / 21.05.03
Best Fight
I liked the Movie Theater Buffy/Angel fight better. Much more visceral, loud, and had a fantastic finale: "Give me time." Yes ma'am!

Funniest Episode
Coneceptually it's gotta be "The Zeppo". Xander bungles his way through the backstage of yet another armageddon.

Funniest Line
Now here's where it gets tough. Is it Giles' "Oh bloody hell" from the rafters when he finds out Willow? That's my personal all time fave. There's also too many Andrew lines to count.

Most Emotionally Devastating Moment
Anya's speech in The Body. Just heartbreaking.

Best Buffy Line Of All Time
"What's that do?"
- The Judge

I was never good with subtext, though.
 
 
Shrug
18:51 / 21.05.03
The Double Meat Palace Episode- gets the award for accuracy because of its portrayal of fast food chain employees.

Who are You- or the Body Switch episode, it was good and you know it.

A second vote for DopplegangLand- Although I also like Evil Willows introduction (plus Anya's first appearance) I'm in a big cage- Evil Willow. (The Wish)

Gingerbread- For the Hansel and Gretel reference and the introduction of Aimee rat (who I think quite rightly held a grudge against Willow), and MOO (Mothers Opposing the Occult?)

And whatever episode Anya said that Santa Claus was real but he didn't so much bring children presents as disembowel them.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
19:09 / 21.05.03
Ah, the episode where all the adults become 17 again.

"We don't act like this... do we?"
 
 
000
20:07 / 21.05.03
The Best Thing About BTVS For Me, Personally ... Faith.

Faith is the anti- to Buffy: The Boring, Whiny Slayer.

Faith is interesting.

Faith is cool.

Faith is intelligent.

Faith is much more complex than most of the other characters I have seen.

Faith is GOD.
 
 
cusm
20:24 / 21.05.03
Dopplegangland is definitely one of my favorites. Here's where we find out Willow is really gay, long before she finds out herself. The exchange between her and Angel at the end about it is classic:

Willow (or was it Buffy?): ...who a vampire becomes has nothing to do with who the person was.

Angel: Well actually... (catches paniced look from Willow) -yes, your absolutely right.


Another beauty was (I think) "I only have eyes for you". The one with the highschool teacher an student ghosts living out their tragic love affair and murder with anyone they could inhabit. Great scene with Angelus and Buffy working out their issues as the ghosts work out theirs.

Favorite single scene has to be Angel feeding from Buffy (graduation day part 1?) to remove the poison. Buffy breaking shit with her feet while giving it up for Angel has to be the most singly erotic thing I've seen from that show. That was powerful.

The winner for most horrific piece of TV ever goes to "Hush". Thomas Legotti must have been an influence in this one.

And of course, "Once More With Feeling". Definitely one of the all time best entire episodes.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:35 / 21.05.03
Doppelgangland is a fantastic episode and especially for its constant reference to upcoming events in the Buffy saga. Hush is pretty wonderful. The episode where Buffy's mum dies for its complete lack of music and the one with the first slayer and the man with the cheese because Giles is magnificent on the stage of the Bronze ('Willow look through the chronicles for a reference to a warrior beast. I've got to warn Buffy, there's every chance she could be next' lalala and the bit about the couch being steam cleaned.)
 
 
Seth
22:46 / 21.05.03
"Oh bugger, I thought you'd gone!"
 
 
lolita nation
23:59 / 21.05.03
Well my favorite thing about Buffy is its special brand of slang and creativity with dialogue. Words and phrases like "bitca," "a world of no," "Can you vague that up for me?" "the ubersuck," "I don't deconstruct your segues," and all the other better examples that I can't think of right now have so completely become part of my basic core vocabulary that Buffy (like the Simpsons) tends to explain my life better than I ever can - I mean I find myself quoting it and referring to scenes from it when I'm talking about myself often enough to be kind of embarassing but also indicative of how influential or important the show is/was. I don't know if that makes any sense. Anyway my nomination for Best Cordelia Line is "Tact is just not saying true stuff" from Season 2 (no idea which episode).
 
 
Mazarine
00:41 / 22.05.03
My favorite ep was probably Restless (the episode with the cheese guy.)

Couldn't ever pick a favorite line, so much of the dialogue of this show has made it into my everyday vocabulary.

Best fight: Obviously a hard call. The sword fight in Becoming II was fab, but I really loved the rather one sided and short fight where Giles went ballistic on Angelus with a baseball bat on fire.

Funniest episode: God, there's so many. I think Him may be one of the best. "You'd kill for a chocolate bar!"

Bless this show.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
01:35 / 22.05.03
Spike, right after getting chipped. Castrated. When he tried to bite Willow - cut to commercial - cut to Spike apologizing. This has never happened to him with a girl before.

The musical. "I'm free if that bitch dies... I better help her out."

Come to think of it, most of my favourite moments revolve around Spike. He's just the best thing about the show.
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:19 / 22.05.03
Best bit of funny... Fear demon: Drawn actual size... which leads to Xander (taunting the fear demon): "Who's the little fear demon? Come on, who's the little fear demon?"
Giles: "Don't taunt the fear demon."
Xander: "Why? Can he hurt me?"
Giles: "No, it's just... tacky."

And the Halloween ep after the one where everyone becomes their costumes halloween ep. with Xander preparing just incase it happens again by wearing a tux so'll he become James Bond and then Oz topping him by wearing one of those stupid "Hi my name is:" tags on which he wrote 'God'.

And the ep where Giles leave for England and the gang meets him at the airport with gift and Taras gift is a finger puper monster which she makes do the 'Grr Arr' from the mutant enemy logo.

Dammit I could go on and on and on...

It could be bunnies....(cricket chirps"...They're not as cutesy as everybody supposes they got these twitchy eyes and evil little noses...and whats with all the carrots? What do they need such great eyesight for anyway...

Im gonna miss the scoobs
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:03 / 22.05.03
Yeah. Anya's lyrics in Bunnies are just the greatest. How about the best of Buffy's most valuable resource: The Last Ten Seconds Before 'Executive Producer'

Top Five
(in no particular order)

1) As Kegboy pointed out, Giles: "Actual Size" Oh, how I howled with laughter.
2) Becoming Part II, The whole slo mo sequence, time stops and Buffy's too late, oh man that sucks but JESUS CHRIST SHE'S ABOUT TO GET ARRESTED? WHAT NEXT??? Whistler: You'll see what I mean.
That one stung.
3) Tara blows out Willow's candle (wink, wink)
4) The scoobs rustle uncomfortably as they realize none of them will ever have a normal healthy relationship.
5) Last shot of The Body. What can you even say about it?
 
 
Bear
11:17 / 22.05.03
Flyboy I think you need some sort of award for this thread!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:17 / 22.05.03
I think my favourite ending is still the one where Spike gets out of the wheelchair - I can't remember the episode, but I seem to remember it's a fairly inconsequential one in itself. That ending, though... "Sooner than you think..." - he doesn't quite go 'baw ha ha!' but the effect is the same - you just *know* it's all about to hit the fan.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:32 / 22.05.03
Oh yes, FB. That one was so bad ass. Especially because they laced Spike's injuritude(?) into the viewer so much that that was a serious revelation.

I'm trying to think of more additions to the Buffy Lexicon, but how can you beat "bitca"?

Some part of me has always loved Oz' "That makes the kind of sense that....doesn't."

Oh, we might as well get the Oz worship started straight away. So many classic moments but my favorite was from Doppelgangland where drops all of his Oz-ness when he sees Willow II: "Get Buffy. Now."

Who'd you guys think was the most genuinely hateable antagonist? Thinking of Oz right there made me instantly say Veruca. But hey, anyone who fucks up Willow's shit is instantly pure evil. And the way she did it... Yeah. Veruca is more evil than The First.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:48 / 22.05.03
So many wonderful moments....

Briefly - the sudden chorus line of vampires at the start of "Once More with feeling" - She does very well with fiends from hell, but lately we can tell - showing that it is going to be stylistically a musical, not just an episode of Buffy with singing.

And for funniest moment - so many to choose from. Generally it's my main man Giles, but my quick pick is "Graduation Day", when the delirious Angel gets increasingly affectionate with Willow until it becomes clear a) that he thinks she's Buffy and b) that he's going to try to snog her. As she exits, she exchanges a brief line with Oz, who is coming to relieve her:

Willow: He's getting worse. He thought I was Buffy.
Oz: You too?

It's just the delivery. Unbelievable.

And speaking of Giles - his comic moments are beautiufl (ASH has incredible timing), his musical interludes fantastic ("now I remember why I had such a crush on him at high school"), but the bits where he takes things not just seriously in "ancient duty blah blah I'm so stuffy give me a scone" style, but *really* seriously are wonderful - the speech at the end of series 5 when you realise that he is going to kill a man in cold blood, or his fantastic snap at Travers in Helpless, "You're waging a war, she's fighting it,". Rock the party.

And, I know I've mentioned this on the "Season Finale" thread, but what I always liked was the amity, particularly in the High School seasons - you had a core cast of four people who genuinely liked each other, and wanted things to go well for each other, with superb support from Cordelia, Oz and Faith, among others. Buffy was full of moments of acceptance, where the expanding core restated its desire to accept and support each other. Like Spike - before they started mangling his character in Series 6, there is a lovely moment, again in The Gift, where Giles and Spike, who have always cordially disliked each other, bond briefly over a mutual understanding - they both know Henry V, and that's a moment when Spike finally seems to have been accepted into the group.

Basically, Buffy at its best was very funny, very clever, but also very human, and it's that combination that is going to be so hard to recapture.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:05 / 22.05.03
Most definitely, Haus. It was also shows fantastically in the scoobs' stand off against Tara's family. Another great moment.
 
 
invisible_al
13:05 / 22.05.03
Best Oz line: Well it's a toss up between

Xander: *sigh* Vampires are real, a lot of them live in Sunnydale, Willow will fill you in on the rest
Willow: This might be difficult to accept...
Oz: Actually this explains a lot!

Oz: (to Giles)I don't know wether to steal your record collection or move in.
Giles:Oh come on there are much more important things to do.
Oz: (holds up record?)More important than this?
Giles:Well I suppose a case could be made.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
13:57 / 22.05.03
The time Buffy got played... the guy from college, fed her the line about his dead father. Sleeps with her, and dumps her. Son of a bitch! That alone makes him one of the series' greatest villains.

When Oz and Willow first started dating. Willow was still really gawky... she and Buffy are talking to a nameless classmate, and Willow turns to Buffy with a "oh-please-can-I" sort of look, and Buffy says "All right, go ahead." My boyfriend's in the band! Good for you, Willow.

Oz meeting Tara. "Her scent is all over you!"

Anya, in the finale: "Let's go hang out with the cannon fodder."

Willow ripping the skin off of Warren.
 
 
anna_101
15:16 / 22.05.03
two favorite oz moments (i have many):

buffy: isent' willow cute when she gets all braggy?
oz: she's cute all the time.

awww!

willow: what are you doing?
oz: panicing.

yowza!

the spike moment that is sticking out in my mind, from 'the gift':

Spike (to buffy): i know you never loved me. i know i'm a monster. but you treat me like a man. and that's....

that gives me the shivers every time. with the exception of OMWF, the series could have ended with that episode and i would have been satisfied.
 
 
cusm
19:17 / 22.05.03
The bit of lexicon that unfortunately stuck hard with me was "no big."

Giles's speech at the end of season 5 oh yes, that is among my favorites. I don't have the exact words, but:

Giles: Buffy is a true hero. She would never harm an innocent. She's not like us. *hefts axe*

I think that's when I really stated to like him. Giles gets some great lines. Like this bit of self awareness from the musical "Willow, Tara, she needs backup" (they move to the backup chorus line behind her).

And I know it got old quick, but I still really love the first couple of times Buffy and Spike snogged, beating on eachother and bringing the house down (literally). You just don't get to see good violent sex like that on tv much.
 
 
Saint Keggers
04:16 / 23.05.03
I do.. I get my old magic markers out and draw it on the TV screen.

One of my fav bits was the speech Spike make about conquering nations in the ep where they were attack by the Shumash tribe.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:47 / 23.05.03
I can't believe no-one's mentioned "Beer Bad".

Buffy want beer!

Still a catchphrase of mine.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:47 / 23.05.03
Actually, one thing I'm very glad of is that they moved away from that "beer bad" shit. In one episode, Buffy drinks beer and is regressed to a ludicrous 10,000 years BC state. In another, Willow, who has just had her boyfriend. with whom she has a far more mature and functional relationship than anyone Buffy has ever been involved with, take a human life and then walk out of hers, is beaten down by her friends for drinking.....beer. If my friends had done that, especially if I was still able to form coherent words and communicate rationally, I would think they were a crowd of empathy-free loons.

Meanwhile, back on the best of Buffy...the transcript of the Giles scene at the end of "Wish":

GILES: Can you move?
BEN: Need a ... a minute. She could've killed me.
GILES: No she couldn't. Never. And sooner or later Glory will re-emerge, and ... make Buffy pay for that mercy. And the world with her. Buffy even knows that... (reaches into his pocket, takes out his glasses) and still she couldn't take a human life.

Shot of Ben listening.

GILES: She's a hero, you see. (Giles puts his glasses on) She's not like us.
BEN: Us?

Giles suddenly reaches down and puts his hand over Ben's nose and mouth, holding them shut. Ben struggles weakly as Giles keeps him still. Giles keeps his calm expression throughout.

*shudder*
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:02 / 23.05.03
I was going to say myself (in an attempt to stick to my own rules and only say positive things): the fact that anyone could have fond things to say about 'Beer Bad' just goes to show that there's something in Buffy for all tastes...

As I was walking back to work from the sandwich shop this one occurred to me:

Best Ret-Con To Cover A Terrible Accent: in 'Fool For Love', we discover that before he became Spike, William was a well-spoken mummy's boy. It's only later, in his very self-conscious re-invention as a big, bad rebel vampire, that he affects the "cor blimey, Buffy Poppins!" mockney accent (in a very class conscious, Guy Ritchie-esque way). What's great about this is the way it simultaneously excuses James Marsters' dodgy attempt to sound English whilst being entirely consistent with Spike's character as previously revealed - and it's done in such a throwaway manner: Angelus saying "I'm not your 'mate' - and since when do you talk like that?"
 
 
Saint Keggers
16:38 / 23.05.03
Fire bad, tree pretty.
 
 
Shrug
17:23 / 23.05.03
One question "bitca"?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
03:09 / 24.05.03
Oh, come on... a pissed-up Buffy with dreads? I was in heaven.
 
 
lolita nation
04:22 / 24.05.03
It's from "When She Was Bad":

Willow (to Giles): Why would Buffy be acting like such a B-I-T-C-H?
Giles: Willow, I think we're a little old to be spelling things out.
Xander: A bit-ca?

That episode is one of my favorites of all time, and not just because it too has some stellar Cordelia parts ("Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, but GET OVER IT"), but because it handled the idea of Buffy being depressed and isolated a lot better (IMHO) than some other seasons.
 
 
doctorbeck
08:55 / 27.05.03
that episode in season 6 where we find out that the whole buffy thing is the fantasies of someone in an institution with catatonia was superb, especially as it commented on how unbelievable a lot of the recent plot developments had been (like dawn's appearance),

also anything with Oz, especially that bit where buffy could read everone's thoughts and his were entertainingly deep,a great episode from the early fun ones.

the comments about willow coming out as, you know, a wiccan a few seasons ago, funny.

also i think it just handled the complexities of adult relationships really well


andrew
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:20 / 27.05.03
I was doing some rewatching and I'd forgotten how brilliant Principal Snyder was written when talking at Giles. Such as this gem:

Snyder: She's up to something. I can smell it. It's like a sixth sense.
Giles: Actually that's one of the five.

ASH's delivery on that line is like some kind of comedic holy grail.
 
 
Shrug
20:57 / 27.05.03
When Joyce was crazy she mentioned something about those crosswalk buttons being unconnected, I laughed.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:58 / 27.05.03
also anything with Oz, especially that bit where buffy could read everone's thoughts and his were entertainingly deep,a great episode from the early fun ones

With all this Oz speak I was about to say that. Willow getting all paranoid about Buffy being able to understand her boyfriend better and Oz's thoughts just going right over her head. It is marvellous!

There's this moment in the current season (or just dead season) when one of the potentials says something about Matthew Broderick and Godzilla. Andrew turns round and pleadingly goes 'Xander' at which point Xander has to explain that the Hollywood Godzilla is not the real one blah blah. My description is so poor but the geek in me cried with laughter at that scene. The timing between those two actors is just perfect and I adore Andrew because he is beautifully pathetic.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
00:24 / 28.05.03
Glory had just eaten Tara's mind. Tara's spending the night in the psyche ward.

Willow: "I don't think I can sleep without her..."
Anya: "You can sleep with me! . . . That sounded a lot more lesbian than it did in my mind."
 
  

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