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The Union Jack, flowing gently in the breeze.

 
  

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tommac
13:25 / 21.05.03
Punji Steak - How very clever of you - I used the term 'union' so I must be an advocate of the enforced union between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

If you'd based you presumption on actually knowing anything about me besides a solitary post on a message board your comment might have been insightful. But you didn't. So it wasn't.

Sax asked us for our gut reaction to the Union Jack - what we felt about it, not what we thought about it. Of course all flags are exclusive because they demark one group from another, however the difference for me between the cross of St. George and the Union Jack is that the Union Jack represents my community, not my country.

I conceded that my feelings for the Union Jack were naive in my original post. I am all to aware of the misdeeds which have been committed in the name of that flag.

I should have therefore have realised it was naive to voice any expression other than a negative one in regard to a flag which has become such an easy target since it has been exploited by so many bastards over the years.
 
 
Punji Steak
14:47 / 21.05.03
I never said you were an advocate of the enforced union, but I was using a facetious comment to point out how your comments on the union could be perceived.

As it happens I don't feel particularly negative or positive about the flag, except when taken in various contexts. To answer Sax's original request, I feel nothing at all when I see the Union Jack, or most flags for that matter...

(oh, and it is an easy target, especially if you are an A10 pilot.)
 
 
lolita nation
22:56 / 21.05.03
The Union Jack has always been a fashion symbol to me. I'm not trying to sound pathetic I just never have thought of it in a nationalist sense being an American

Me too, Cherry. I look at it and always think how much more aesthetically pleasing it is than the American flag. That's not all that I think about it, I guess, but it's the first thing that comes to mind.
 
 
Sax
06:23 / 27.05.03
Thank you to everyone who contributed. You've all been very helpful.

And some of you will be getting a knock on the door in the middle of the night, but that's nothing to do with my project.
 
 
Warewullf
14:37 / 27.05.03
When seen flying around Northern Ireland: Thuggery, thoughtless bigotry and ramapant scumery.

When seen on t-shirts, jeans and posters: bloody good design element.

Being from the Republic of Ireland, it's hard to shake the instant feeling of "grr! Damn brtis! shakeyfisyshakeyfist"

While I geniunely do think that it's a great design and does look fab on at-shirt, I, of course, will never wear one.
 
 
grant
20:45 / 27.05.03
This history, from an Australian government site, is a bit confusing. It only lists three crosses, but shows four. That red diagonal cross is apparently just a design element, then?
 
 
grant
20:46 / 27.05.03
Wait - it's the white vertical/horizontal cross they don't show. Very confusing.
 
 
penitentvandal
21:08 / 27.05.03
The Union Jack always reminds me of a very odd TV series I watched sometime during the eighties which was called - I think - Knights of God. IIRC it presented a future time in which the UK had been taken over by some fiendish totalitarian religious freaks, and Our Heroes in the story were on the run from them, for some reason. Being essentially a fine example of Crap Underbudgeted Brit Sci-fi, the future dystopia involved a lot of running around in woodland. The title sequence featured a burning UJ. I have fuck-all idea what that meant.

It also reminds me of the Union Jill, a multi-coloured (but mainly brown - see below) flag to replace the UJ, which was designed by crusties (hence - lots of brown: all fabric exposed to crusties for a long enough period turns brown) to be waved at protests against the Criminal Justice Bill, a piece of fascist legislation which went a step closer to turning Britain into a Crap Underbudgeted Future Dystopia for real.

By association, it reminds me of GM's ace reverse flag, which I think should be adopted immediately. Newcastle Utd fans sometimes wave around a totally black and white UJ, and that has some appeal, though looks a bit fasceeest to me, even though the red/black, Nazi-connotation flag Grant designed doesn't.

Finally, the UJ reminds me of Britains, a British (no shit, Sherlock) toy manufacturer who made odd metal figurines and plastic horses and vehicles during the 70s and 80s. They made yer usual politically incorrect stuff: cowboys and indians, various soldiers, and a wonderfully PC series of 'Crusaders and Turks' which I think ought to be revived, if only for pure irony value. They also made very odd sci-fi figurines and vehicles, which were what I liked. The fun was in working out what the fuck they were meant to be. As far as I'm aware there were no little accompanying booklets explaining who the aliens were, or what sort of futurist society the humans inhabited. Perhaps, in the simple, dualistic universe the Britains designers inhabited, aliens were just another bunch of weird-looking foreigners one had to kill. Like indians. Or Jerries. Or Turks.

Years after I'd grown out of playing the 'but what's the spaceship for?' game, however, I discovered an interesting postscript to my childhood japes, in a book of women's memories of Greenham Common. Apparently, while imprisoned for disturbing the peace (Thatcher and irony - ships passing in the night...) the peace protesting women were forced, as part of some prison labour thing, to make toys for Britains. So when I was a kid, I was playing with toys which were the very embodiment of the repressive regime I would come to despise. Weird, eh?

So, that's what the UJ sets off in my freewheelin' mind. Religious tyranny, crusty protesters, Invisibilism, and jingoistic alien-bashing.

Oh, and Big Daddy, of course! How could one forget Big Daddy!
 
  

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