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Is banksy a sell out?

 
  

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coweatman
21:29 / 25.01.06
if he can use money from this to do more shit like tagging the israel/palestine wall, more power to him.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
06:38 / 04.09.06
Wrong, but right?

Certainly makes you think...

Poor little Paris. She must be devastated. Evil Banksy. Smack his legs.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:51 / 05.09.06
I've started a thread over in Music about this, PW.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
11:52 / 05.09.06
(Seeing as I think the issues raised deserve a thread of their own)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:21 / 05.09.06
What does it make you think, p.w.?
 
 
Shrug
16:03 / 05.09.06
Can anyone yousendit? (I haven't been able to get a listen as of yet.)
 
 
jamesPD
16:20 / 05.09.06
There are some photos of the CD cover and booklet here (NSFWish) but so far I've been unable to locate the actual remixes.
 
 
jamesPD
16:28 / 05.09.06
Ah, just found a YouTube video of Banksy pulling the prank. I presume the soundtrack is one of the remixes.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:05 / 05.09.06
Here's my thread. We might end up just pasting it here, actually.
 
 
jamesPD
16:24 / 11.09.06
Accoring to the BBC, he's at it again...

``A life-size replica of a Guantanamo Bay detainee has been placed in Disneyland by "guerrilla artist" Banksy.''
 
 
All Acting Regiment
17:13 / 11.09.06
That's more like it, I suppose.
 
 
HCE
22:27 / 15.09.06
So I bought a canvas at a Banksy show about four years ago, bearing this image.

It cost $250, or about 120 pounds. I'd never heard of him before the night I bought it, but I liked his work a lot -- it looked fresh and exciting to me, particularly in the context of the space in which it was shown. Looking around for work of a similar size and level of detail, I've seen it going for 9500 pounds. I don't even want to know what that is in dollars. Have to say, I am both excited at the possibility that instead of mere chance, this is a sign that I am an art-buying GENIUS, and a little sad that money finds a way to worm itself into everything. Selling the piece is not under consideration, so I don't stand to profit from it any way, but I still feel a bit conflicted.
 
 
HCE
23:19 / 15.09.06
Also, some photos from his current show in Los Angeles -- links to large images. Hope these work, the site seems to be up & down a bit.:

Painted elephant. Live painted elephant.

Valet Parking.

Hey look, a variation on the bomb-hugger.

Iwo Jima remixed.

Installation.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:29 / 21.10.06
Banksy artwork sells for £50,000. It's great when you're flavour of the month, yeah! However, it does amuse me that this is Banksy doing basically altered copies of famous pieces of art by other people and it sells for silly money, is this the natural successor to Warhol's Soup Tins?
 
 
Olulabelle
18:46 / 08.11.06
In response to this conversation I think it's very hard to make any generalisations about Banksy when no-one really has any idea who he is. I mean you simply can't say but it's worth poiting out that the 'urban streets' on which he first displayed his work were in Hoxton, East London, which is a gentrified, former working-class area full of graphic design companies, loft apartments, fashionable bars etc. Hardly the 'hood.
because you have absolutely no idea if it's the truth. The story I've heard is the urban streets on which he first displayed his work were inner city Bristol at age 14. I have also read that he was expelled from school and has done time for petty crime, but we have no idea which story is the truth, since we do not know the identity of the person known as Banksy.
 
 
Glenn Close But No Cigar
22:35 / 08.11.06
Point taken. To clarify, Hoxton was where his work first came to prominence, and was the launchpad for his career.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
13:13 / 01.12.06
Not sure how I feel about Banksy to be honest, I want to like him but not so long ago he did out one of the rooms at the most commercial, protentious shit hole clubs in Brighton. According to the owner, Banksy's one of his mates. On top of that it looked shite, was quite shocked & gutted! Maybe I'm expecting him to be something he's not!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:27 / 24.12.06
anyone go to santa's ghetto at tot court road?

disappointing.

Lapland have been doing the same thing in glasgow for years - and to a higher standard. witty(kinda)pop art for those with no idea what to get their friends and rellies for christmas.

the best thing about the ghetto I'd have to say, was the air of menace I felt as I perused the shoddy efforts - jimmy hendrix as a skull face, a makeshift pub that said, 'please smoke at the bar', a santa in the window with a crutch and a sign around his neck that says, 'Welcome to Hackney'. that kind of guff.

Yeah, the menacing air was grrrrreat. I'm not sure which artist was responsible for it though.
 
 
Leidan
16:07 / 26.12.06
Above a urinal in a pub near me, in Bristol's Montpelier -

'Banksy pissed here'; someone's written 'so wot' after it, and someone else has crossed out 'pissed' and written 'sold out'. It's weird, did he write it?

If so, it's pretty rampant egotism. Probably he does have a bit of an ego, but personally I can forgive it in him, his art is so good. His writing however, in 'wall and piece'... deserves another 1000 episodes of nathan barley.
 
 
invisible_al
09:16 / 19.01.07
Banksy opens shop for prints on his website

Prints look best when done on gloss paper using the company printer ink when everyone else is at lunch.
 
 
Olulabelle
14:37 / 20.01.07
Yes and more importantly: Everything in the shop is free. All the images can be downloaded to print or use as a desktop.
 
 
saintmae
23:01 / 13.02.07
Wooster just wrote something about Banksy that seems extremely relevant to this discussion. You can read the original here, but I wanted to repost the text for posterity & discussion.

Two things seem to be clear:

First. That change is inevitable.
And second. That change polarizes people.

They say that things take five years to fully come into their own. And with the street art movement, we see that exactly to be the case. In truth, it wasn't until last week's trip to London that we fully understood how significant the changes have been in the street art scene. It wasn't until last week that it fully hit us how much the movement has finally come into its own on so many different levels.

And one thing is clear - this has polarized a lot of people.

Coming back from London, we started explaining it to our friends as:

"The Banksy Effect"

While we've always been unabashed (and unapologetic) fans of Banksy, we now see Banksy as the single greatest thing that has happened not only to the street/urban art movement, but to contemporary art in general.

We know that that's a sweepingly broad statement that is likely to get us in trouble, but let us explain.

Most people need entry points to become comfortable with things that are new.

And for millions of people, Banksy is the entry point they need in not only seeing art in a new way, but in accepting art as a part of their daily lives.

Like Andy Warhol before him, Banksy has almost single handedly redefined what art is to a lot of people who probably never felt they appreciated art before. By being an iconoclast, and in the process becoming a mythic hero for a lot of people, Banksy has become an incredible icon in our society. One that we think, when things are said and done, will be at the level of Warhol.

The fact that Banksy's book "Wall and Piece" is in every bookstore imaginable, including Urban Outfitters, is a statement unto itself.

The fact that Banksy's work is now selling for hundreds of thousands of dollars at Sotheby's is a statement unto itself.

And we know that both of these things polarize a lot of people.

But for us, we think that this is the best thing that could have ever happened to the street art movement.

Why?

Because what Banksy (and Steve Lazarides) have done is to create a market for an entire category of art that until now has not been recognized at the level that it is now being recognized at.

And for this we should all be grateful.

If you're one of those people who are calling Banksy a sellout for selling his work for exorbitant prices, but are interested in making money yourself from your own art, then you should perhaps rethink your views a bit.

Here's what we see happening.

There are now a lot of people that have money and want to spend it on art. Their entry point into buying "urban art" is now Banksy. They read about Banksy selling his work at Sothebys and they want to be in on the action.

But not many can now afford to buy a Banksy piece any more.

This is actually a good thing for artists who are talented and want to make money from their art because those people who can't afford "a Banksy" are now learning more and searching out and buying work from other talented artists who are part of the movement.

One of the best things that we did last week was to go to the opening of a fantastic exhibition at the Elms Lesters Painting Studios. The show featured great work by Phil Frost, Adam Neate, WK, and Anthony Lister. All four of them are incredibly talented and have been working their asses of for years. All four of them deserve everything they receive, including selling their work at prices most of us can't afford. (We think that they deserve to make as much money as they want.)

Would the work have sold without Banksy?

Sure.

Would the show have commanded the prices it did without "the Banksy Effect"? Would the show have sold out without the "Banksy Effect"?

Some will say yes, but we don't think so.

Of course there was a market for this movement before Banksy started selling at Sothebys. Gallerists like Jonathan Levine, Merry Karnowsky, and others have been selling art from these artists for years.

But never at the level it is selling at now.

Another sign of the Banksy effect: Prints from places like Pictures On Walls, Faile.net, and others have never sold out faster. This is allowing more artists to make a living from their art.

For us...

... Shepard Fairey created the movement.

....Banksy created the market.

And even if you don't agree with anything we've just written, we do think that both of these two guys deserve the full recognition and respect for what they have done.

We think that 10 years from now, the "Banksy Effect" will be recognized as one of the most significant moments in the contemporary art market.

UPDATE: Turns out we're not the only ones who are calling it "the Banksy Effect" Just found this CNN clip from Santa's Ghetto here.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:24 / 16.02.07
Because what Banksy (and Steve Lazarides) have done is to create a market for an entire category of art that until now has not been recognized at the level that it is now being recognized at.

And for this we should all be grateful.

If you're one of those people who are calling Banksy a sellout for selling his work for exorbitant prices, but are interested in making money yourself from your own art, then you should perhaps rethink your views a bit.


I think this is a very interesting point.

What was once only seen in an urban environment and classed by most as mess can now be titled 'art'. The debate about what constitutes art is endless and separate, but certainly the people that make street art see themselves as artists and until very recently have not been recognised for it. Now because of Banksy they are seen as artists by lots of other people, not just people in the know; those into specific art genres. That can surely only be a good thing?

Banksy does make people angry, they want a big debate about him. But surely the fact that debate surrounds him at all means that the world is now more willing to accept the street artist as a real artist?
 
 
jamesPD
09:45 / 31.03.08
Did anyone else go to the Banksy exhibition* at the Andipa Gallery in South Kensington?

As you'd probably expect for a pretty widely recognised contemporary artist, it was a pretty diverse mixture of people visiting the gallery. Some 'arty' types with slanty hats and sporadic facial hair, middle class types with Guardians under their arms, parents with buggies, visiting foreign tourists and a fair few Kensington locals.

Apart from the fact that much of Banksy's work is anti-capitalist/anti-greed, and was being shown in Kensington, each piece with a high-five or six figure price tag, the thing that most struck me was how long people seemed to be spending looking at the work. I've always considered Banksy to be a kind of 'sound bite' artist, somewhere closer to advertising that fine art. His work is supposed to be seen on the street in the corner of your eye whilst you're gazing from the window of a bus or strolling to the tube station. You see it, you get it, it makes you giggle, it makes you think, and then you move on.

I kept seeing people staring at the work 5 minutes-a-piece, and couldn't help but think they really didn't need to. With Banksy the first thought that comes into your head is pretty much its entire message, you could stare at it for hours, but you won't 'get' anything more out of it for your troubles.

Did anyone else go? Did anyone else think his work really didn't work in a gallery environment?

* (OK, well, it wasn't really a really real exhibition. It was a bunch of pieces that are presumably for sale (although I didn't see any 'sold' signs or shiny dots indicating which were reserved) but were being exhibited in the same place.)
 
 
jamesPD
09:55 / 14.04.08
More, admittedly not terribly interesting stuff, from the Daily Mail website (whose readers, are bizarrely rather fond of young mister Banks.)
 
 
jamesPD
11:52 / 02.05.08
Yes folks, me again.

Tunnel becomes Banksy art exhibit more info and location details at Wooster Collective.
 
 
Rev. Wright
13:01 / 08.06.08
Has anyone else seen the very bizarre article in the Mail on Sunday's Live magazine? My favourite part is the 'What to wear when standing next to a Banksy'

Post post ironic and totally bum....
 
 
HCE
14:35 / 08.06.08
Link? Or is it a print-only thing?
 
 
Rev. Wright
15:12 / 08.06.08
can't find it on their web version, but it is in print today. I will attempt to scan and host later
 
 
Mr Ed
14:15 / 03.11.08
Power to him for making a living.
 
 
jamesPD
14:43 / 03.11.08
Regarding the Mail on Sunday article on Banksy back in June, the Banksy Forum has a thread on the topic, and a link to the article and interview which unfortunately does not seem to include the 'What to Wear' panel.
 
  

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