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gingerbop
19:07 / 01.05.03
Ok.. My mother has suddenly jumped into a crazy pre-summer wieght loss obsession, and because of the publicity of Atkin's low carbohydrate diet, shes decided to jump in.

Im rreeeaally not happy about this- i know that in trials, there were few side affects, but they were 6 month trials, and didnt monitor long term effects. But the worst part of it, I reakon, is that she thinks its healthy. Eating cheese, meat and eggs, and not much else? hmm... well i have to say i have more than one or two reservations. And tonight at dinner, whilst she is eating her fried steak and fried eggs, she starts hurling accusations at me of eating too many carbs- and sin of sins, i was eating pasta. She has also refused to take vitamin supplements during the diet, as she reakons it is healthy.

So am i just being daft and traditional in my veiws about healthy wieght-loss being about low-fat diets and excersize, or is she being crazy, jumping into a fad-diet?
 
 
Capitalist Piglet
19:21 / 01.05.03
While there is some truth based in carb reduction as being healthy, the extent to which Atkins requires is not healthy, IMO. I would suggest you show her some materials on Sugarbusters, a way of eating that emphasizes cutting out sugars and simple carbs (which cause insulin levels to spike; I can get into the science of this more later, if you want). In any event, weight loss is only acheived through expending more calories than you take in. BTW, "fried" foods usually have breading, which is usually carb-based. So how is she getting away with that? Also, all women should take a multivitamin and a calcium supplement no matter what their diet. That's just good sense. Anyway, she'll probably lose the weight, but it won't stay off. Most people cannot stick with such a restrictive diet for the rest of their life.
 
 
grant
20:22 / 01.05.03
The main problem is the last one CP mentions: the Atkins diet is (for most folks) a pretty serious change in eating habits, and one that doesn't stick.

It doesn't *seem* healthy, but there has been some evidence that Atkins actually lowers cholesterol as well as taking weight off. I don't have the study to hand, though. From what I recall of the diet, I don't think too much fried food is recommended, so yer ma might be adding her own spin to things.

It does work, temporarily at least, and for many folks, that's the step that needs to be taken first.

I'll see if I can find more later.
 
 
gingerbop
20:25 / 01.05.03
fried- fried in oil. I reakon once shes gone without her morning toast for a couple weeks she will go insane.
I will do everything i can to get her to take vitamins: Im damned if she made my whole family fall out about ME not taking them, and she wont herself. Grrrr
 
 
Perfect Tommy
21:18 / 01.05.03
The thing that strikes me as ridiculous about the Atkins diet (as I understand it) is that "carbs" are declared bad. The simple carbs, like refined flour, sure... but veggies and fruits a no go?

My diet mantra: "Monkeys eat fruit!"
 
 
gingerbop
21:24 / 01.05.03
Atkin's diet mantra: Monkeys are going extinct.
 
 
Salamander
21:52 / 01.05.03
My father is on the Atkins diet, and where as I don't know the specifics of it, I do know your mother is not on the atkins diet if all she's eating is protean. Thats insane. I've always believed in the food diamond, just like the pyramid, but with the carbs seriously reduced, but not eliminated. The truth is no one really knows what a "good" diet is as opposed to a "bad" diet. This is just another fad and if it helps your mom loose weight good if not, she'll quit it soon and go back to sweets and couch. oh and yeah my dad lost 60 lds, but he is still over weight so what a waste of time.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
03:48 / 02.05.03
I seem to recall an old neuroscience lecturer I had once used to spruik the line that most diets are irrelevant to the body - apart from those to whittle people down for surgery - because your body essentially has a preset weight that you'll tend to, within 5 or so kilos, regardless of what you do. I believe he wrote a book called Fat Is A Four-Letter Word, but can't be sure - hazy recall. Dale Atrens was the name, anyway.

Ah - here we go: infuriatingly ineffective homepage - the book's called Don't Diet.
 
 
Capitalist Piglet
13:01 / 02.05.03
Roth, you seriously believe that? You think those 800 lb people trapped in their own homes are within 5-10 kilos of their pre-set weight?
 
 
grant
13:34 / 02.05.03
Here's an AP article (via USA Today) that summarizes the cholesterol research.

quote:
At least three formal studies of the Atkins diet have been presented at medical conferences over the past year, and all have reached similar results. The latest, conducted by Dr. Eric Westman of Duke University, was presented Monday at the annual scientific meeting of the American Heart Association, long a stronghold of support for the traditional low-fat approach.

Westman, an internist at Duke's diet and fitness center, said he decided to study the Atkins approach because of concern over so many patients and friends taking it up on their own. He approached the Robert C. Atkins foundation in New York City to finance the research.

Westman studied 120 overweight volunteers, who were randomly assigned to the Atkins diet or the heart association's Step 1 diet, a widely used low-fat approach. On the Atkins diet, people limited their carbs to less than 20 grams a day, and 60% of their calories came from fat.

"It was high fat, off the scale," he said.

After six months, the people on the Atkins diet had lost an average of 31 pounds, compared with 20 pounds on the AHA diet, and more people stuck with the Atkins regimen.

Total cholesterol fell slightly in both groups. However, those on the Atkins diet had an 11% increase in HDL, the good cholesterol, and a 49% drop in triglycerides. On the AHA diet, HDL was unchanged, and triglycerides dropped 22%. High triglycerides may raise the risk of heart disease.

While the volunteers' total amounts of LDL, the bad cholesterol, did not change much on either diet, there was evidence that it had shifted to a form that may be less likely to clog the arteries.


So there's that. It's still pretty preliminary, mind.

On the whole cutting carbs business....

Here's the Atkins Center online. It's got all the official stuff about what you're actually supposed to be doing (it's the blood sugar, not the carbs per se).

And here's their take specifically on carbs.

Excerpt from one of the sub-links: . While most carbohydrates — sugar, which imparts 4 calories per gram, is the best example — are digested by your body and turned into blood sugar, other carbohydrates behave differently. Some carbs are digested by your body but not turned into glucose. And, some carbs — such as fiber — can impart as little as 0 calories per gram, are not digested at all and pass through your body as waste. In either of these last two cases there is no noted impact on blood sugar levels. However, the FDA and other health organizations have not yet focused on this important biochemical difference and treat all carbohydrates as the same.


In some ways, this seems AWFULLY convenient for a company wanting to market foods specifically made with only the *right* sort of carbohydrates, but it also makes a certain amount of sense. It's plausible.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:56 / 02.05.03
Here is a point that I consider fairly pertinent. I saw an investication into the Atkins diet on TV recently. I did saw a number of people very happy with the results. However, Professor Atkins, the originator of the diet is not thin. To the point of being portly.

Please complete this popular phrase or saying "Physician ........"
 
 
Capitalist Piglet
14:30 / 02.05.03
Dr. Atkins just died a few weeks ago, didn't you guys hear about that? He slipped on the sidewalk and hit his head.
 
 
The Jungle Keeper's Old Smoky Pipe, Haunted by The Black Dog Spirit
14:32 / 02.05.03
High protein, low carb diets, by the way, put considerable strain on the liver - I had a friend who, while on less than 20 grams of carbohidrates a day, had to take a drug for the liver to balance this organ's functions.
Not a very good prospect, I'd say.
 
 
Capitalist Piglet
17:24 / 02.05.03
Kidneys, too.
 
 
Salamander
17:34 / 02.05.03
The Atkins system also sells products like shakes, convieniant, YES. But the research quoted above shocked me, 49% drop in triglycerides? Can that be real? Thats retarded amazing, I still need to see more research.
 
 
Capitalist Piglet
18:33 / 02.05.03
It's probably more realted to the blood sugar regulation. Sugarbusters has the same effect, but you can still eat fruits and vegetables and whole-grain products.
 
 
Cop Killer
18:47 / 02.05.03
I'm on the Atkins diet right now, and you can eat vegetables, not all of them (potatoes and corn aren't allowed, along with some other stuff), but onions and stuff like that's okay. The lack of fruit kind of sucks, as does the lack of bread and sweet things, because I have a huge sweet tooth, which for two weeks has gone unnoticed. From what I've heard about the Atkins diet is that after a few weeks (the time it takes for ones body to get used to burning fat instead of carbs) one can slowly reintroduce carbs to the diet. You still can't go back to a carbohydrate bonanza(yah!), but for people who like carbs as much as I do, it's pretty good.
 
 
Cop Killer
18:51 / 02.05.03
Also, it does make me feel cool just eating meat, like I'm getting in touch with some sort of primitive need. I spent a whole day just eating bacon and I'm losing weight by doing so, so, I mean, that's kinda cool.
 
 
Capitalist Piglet
19:24 / 02.05.03
I've tried both Atkins and Sugarbusters and I find that I felt a lot more sluggish on Atkins.
 
 
pomegranate
21:01 / 02.05.03
cop killer--how long did it take you to stop craving sugar/carbs? or have you not stopped?
i ask, as a fellow sugar junkie. and i've *tried* to kick, so many times...
 
 
Adamant
22:40 / 02.05.03
fried foods are a no no on the atkins diet, you might let your mom know that. chicken yes, fried chicken no. etc.

the diet sounds good till you find out everything you like besides meat cheese and eggs has carbohydrates. It's as bad as a conventional diet in terms of your food restrictions.
 
 
Tom Coates
00:53 / 03.05.03
I went on a low carb diet for a week and a half or so, before I buckled and ate a Solero. I can say that in that very limited amount of time I felt considerably more emotionally stable, my skin cleared up almost completely, I didn't bloat up when I ate and I certainly felt thinner. I also got backed up like a monster, came to hate the taste of certain foods completely and my mouth felt like it was releasing the fumes of burning corpses, not fat. I know a fair amoutn of people on it in the States, and they all look way more healthy, whether they are or not...
 
 
Salamander
08:11 / 03.05.03
Sugar lovers have no fear, a research company that is trying to find a sugar substitute that doesn't suck finally settled on the form of sugar our bodies don't process, the left bent sugar instead of the right bent sugar, tastes cooks and for all intents is sugar, even chemically, but because of it's shape doesn't get processed, it just passes through your colon untouched. sorry i can't remember specifics but hope it helps your hope. and your pope.
 
 
gingerbop
18:54 / 03.05.03
WOah, if only Soleros were made outta that... mmmmmm.
Personally i think i would rather release "fat-fumes" than "dead-corpse fumes."

So if your digestion ajusts after about 10 days, is that when you should start to lose weight? I would like to see her lose some (coz she wont shut up about it until she has), other than the fact that it will mean that shes right and im wrong.

As for harming the liver and kidneys- would that only be if it was a long-term thing, or would it be immediate? Its a bit icky.

Poor Dr Atkins.
 
 
Adamant
22:50 / 03.05.03
the sugar industry isn't going to allow any real alternatives to come around. they are evil evil evil
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
06:25 / 04.05.03
Piglet: if you're asking whether I believe that the body has a homeostatic process that operates in regard to weight, then based on my own experience, yes, I do believe it. People of shut-in size aren't generally indicative of the population as a whole. Obviously there's more going on there than just the body's own process; whether it's a psychologically-based or not, who knows? But I still think that there's merit in the idea.
 
 
gingerbop
13:10 / 04.05.03
And on the other side of the 800 lb people trapped in their wieght, what about people with eating disorders like bulemia- they're supposed to be 4 stone? Saying that, there must be something in that idea, coz theres all the stickinsects who eat chips all day. GrrrrR.
 
 
Char Aina
14:17 / 04.05.03
i think thats a lot more to do with the balance between consumtion and metabolism, though. my friend brad metabolises really fast, and he can eat anything to any level of excess, seemingly.



I can get into the science of this more later, if you want

even if ms bop doesnt, i would.
 
 
Capitalist Piglet
12:31 / 05.05.03
On the idea of a homeostasis, I agree that it is within us to maintain a certain ideal weight for our own bodies. But, we have "overcome" that homeostasis with all these false stimuli (namely the emotional attachment western society has placed on food), so while it is there, it is weak compared to the other forces inside our bodies.
 
 
grant
13:58 / 05.05.03
That "burning corpse" smell is actually a "nail polish remover" smell.

The Atkins diet causes your metabolism to go into ketosis, burning fat for energy. And one of the by-products is acetone. Some people compare the smell to petroleum, others to overripe bananas. But it's actually acetone.

I suppose you could actually come up with a false positive on a breathalyzer test due to Atkins dieting. Diabetics run into the same problem.
 
 
Cop Killer
19:19 / 05.05.03
I still haven't stopped craving carbs or sweets, I just don't have 'em, I'm thinking about them less, but sometimes I feel like I could kill for a Snickers.
 
 
grant
13:14 / 06.05.03
finally settled on the form of sugar our bodies don't process, the left bent sugar instead of the right bent sugar, tastes cooks and for all intents is sugar, even chemically, but because of it's shape doesn't get processed, it just passes through your colon untouched. sorry i can't remember specifics but hope it helps your hope.

It's called "sucralose" or "levo-rotated sugar" and is available commercially in Canada (and the FDA *might* have approved it in the US, not sure) as Splenda.
 
 
grant
13:32 / 06.05.03
Ooo! I lie!

Sucralose replaces three hydrogens with chlorines - left-handed sugar is just all backwards. They appear not to be marketing left-handed sugar because it's too expensive to make.
 
 
Leap
14:01 / 06.05.03
Does the Atkins diet cater for the difference in the fat content between wild meat and domesticated meat (wild meat being generally FAR leaner and healthier than the fat and pesticide riddled pap you find on most shelves).

I tried a low carb diet a while back but found the sheer faff of it being completely unwieldy in a “got to actually WORK for a living” environment – the lack of exercise (to burn off the fat) was a problem and the supply of high quality meat (we eat free range and as close to organic as we can get) at a reasonable price was…well, nonexistent.

I did feel better on the diet (done as experiment rather than to lose weight) but found it tricky to avoid cakes (mmmmmmmm…Chelsea buns)

One diet tip I did learn and now stick to though, is to eat red meat medium-rare when possible (the blood content works wonders for you eyesight!!!!!!!!!!!).
 
 
that
12:45 / 07.05.03
My psychiatrist just recommended that I go on the Atkins diet. Fucksake. Do I just eat soya yoghurt then? Seeing as I don't eat meat, eggs, all that stuff... fucksake. I have my own happy little diet plan anyway, which would work if I could fucking stick to it.
 
  

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