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Regrettable Juvenilia
12:39 / 30.04.03
As far as I've been able to puzzle out, using dichotomies as a way of understanding the world has been a feature of human behaviour from time immemorial, waxy dan... Sometimes it's useful, often it isn't.

(This is kinda off-topic now though.)
 
 
waxy dan
12:44 / 30.04.03
(This is kinda off-topic now though.)
Sorry! You're right!

Okay, back to where I was. I think that the appearance of alternative sexuality, particulary female bisexuality, is fashionable at present. And thereby more acceptable, if not even desirable, to many people.
 
 
that
12:46 / 30.04.03
Btw, that thing I said about it being easier to tell your parents you're gay was bollocks. Having done it with my mum, it's not easy at all. What I meant was, it might be easier for them to UNDERSTAND what you're telling them.

And, potus - I do think it matters that bisexuals are perceived as straight if they're with someone of the opposite sex, gay if they aren't - even by people who know them. It's like denying the identity...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
12:51 / 30.04.03
Sorry, dumb outsiders perspective. I just prefer to think as attraction as a maleable thing, although probably as a product of lack of wisdom.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:51 / 30.04.03
I know I know, how can you take photos of bisexual sex...
With one of them prevert cameras that the eff-bee-hai use.

I'm onto you preverts!

[adjusts tinfoil beanie]
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:04 / 30.04.03
I just prefer to think as attraction as a maleable thing, although probably as a product of lack of wisdom.

Well it would be great if we could perceive attraction like that, I'd be happy to view it in that way, but unfortunately it only seems to really apply to a minority of people and that makes it a bit dishonest.
 
 
Char Aina
13:06 / 30.04.03
do you think that sexuality is a direct result of programming (societal, I'd assume)?


well, not entirely. i think that humans are generally fairly 'try-sexual', but that we are conditioned to fit specific roles, gender or sexuality based.
i was referring to the biological computer programs that drive all of us, the wiring in my head. some of that may be nurture, some of it may be nature. i dont really mind which, i just like the sex.


the girls in FHM, i feel, are usually supposed to represent those girls who only kiss each other sometimes, when what they really want is a big man with a big willy.
part of this impression will be based on the interviews, most of which seem to be with straight ladies who are bi-curious in a n 'isn't everyone?' way.




and flowers, the Barbelith Elite Greedy Fence-Sitting Scum need a better acronym if you really want to swell the ranks. i mean, i would join, but i already have a membership card for the Barbelith Union of Male Sluts and another for the bisexual superhero team i am starting up, The Convincibles. i even ordered the uniforms already...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:06 / 30.04.03
And hence the lack of wisdom.
 
 
waxy dan
14:11 / 30.04.03
most of which seem to be with straight ladies who are bi-curious in a n 'isn't everyone?' way.
Which is what I feel; that it's 'in' to give the appearance of being sexually 'adventurous'. This is typically done by associating oneself with bisexuality. Whether this is a good/bad/chaotic neutral thing, or if that even matters, is a different train of thought.

that we are conditioned to fit specific roles, gender or sexuality based. By what? And why? I know you said you don't really mind, I'm just curious to see what you think?
 
 
that
14:16 / 30.04.03
"Barbelith Elite Greedy Fence-Sitting Scum"

Something along the lines of BEG For it?
 
 
that
14:17 / 30.04.03
I mean, for the better acronym... i know it skips a letter, and that the 'or it' bit isn't anywhere to be seen - but i think it's catchy...
 
 
Char Aina
14:25 / 30.04.03
i dont think that there is any grand dersign to the structuring of our minds from birth. i do think that there are certain conditions which lead to the reinforcing of one or another opinion.

most people are straight identifying, and so to fit in most folks pretend to be, at least at first.

those who dont are teased at school, bullied in the workplace sometimes, and generally taught that the almost pavlovian respnse of the public to 'odd' sexuality is a beating.

this means that any possible Fence Sitters are much more likely to swing straight than bendy.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
14:26 / 30.04.03
Almost reason enough to join on it's own.
 
 
waxy dan
14:52 / 30.04.03
i dont think that there is any grand dersign Well.. when asking "why" I didn't mean there was an evil conspiracy of dark-cloaked fish-smelling old ones planning out our sexuality for their own wicked ends.
I meant more that things tend to be a certain way for a reason. R. Anton Wilson talks about society needing people outside the circle of parenting to create new and objective concepts... pop! and a homosexual shaman/poet/philosopher appears (I don't know how much I agree with that view, but by way of an example of what I meant by "why" = it'll do).

I'd agree with your points up to a certain age (say... late teens/early 20's give or take a few years), but I think, in some circles, that pressure is reversed. Not nearly with the same force or brutality, but a pressure does emerge to be 'different/alternative', an 'individual'. Which, in today's western/hip society seems to manifest in sexuality... I think. This was the case when I was in my early 20's and, to some degree, still is. Again, I'm really not talking about how people are, but about the faces they construct.

What do you think?
 
 
Char Aina
14:56 / 30.04.03
d00d, join The Convincibles!

our uniforms rule, and we fight bedroom boredom in all its forms.

if you like to do it, chances are we will too!
 
 
Char Aina
15:02 / 30.04.03
im not sure, waxy.
i think that there is definitely some pressure to bhe exciting and different, but not perhaps in as many circles as it seems.

i think that there is a definite trend for the famous and arty to be more experimental, but for the most part people are willing to let those 'loonies' live the exciting and outthere lives for us.

i personally was 'turned queer' by reading the right books, and deciding that there was no good reason to not have a go. like veganism. and straight edge. and pretty much everything in my price range except heroin and crack.
 
 
waxy dan
15:15 / 30.04.03
... and The Convincibles! is a great name for a superhero group. You should form a band.

there was no good reason to not have a go. like veganism. and straight edge. and pretty much everything in my price range except heroin and crack.
I know the feeling. Everyone keeps assuming I'm a coke head, until I explain that I couldn't possibly afford the habit...

'turned queer' You'd consider yourself to have 'become' gay, not bisexual?

I don't know, maybe it's the situation I grew up in. My parents are big-marching-hippy-lefties, and among my friends (the vast majority of which are female) the ones who don't consider themselves bi would be the odd ones out. So, for me at least, any bi feelings I may have are just 'there'. They don't really effect my demeanour in any obvious manner. If anything I find myself kind've indifferent to them (most of the time anyway). It's when 'alternative sexuality' (what a poor phrase, sorry) is worn like a badge, especially by someone who doesn't nessecarily practice it, that I think the motivation to do so is interesting. And it's something that, at present, I see happening quite frequently.
 
 
Char Aina
15:21 / 30.04.03
yeah.

like all the skaters who dont really skate, the guitarists who have never been in a band, and the ravers who never dance.

it's the folks who know whats cool, but for some reason don't commit. or can't, possibly.

i identify as straight, so when i say turned queer i am referring to the 'mainstream' evaluation of sexuality that gives us straight and not straight.



interestingly, i have a friend who is bi, but who will never share with anyone outside the two people he has already. me being one of those people.

i think chief among his concerns is that his girlfriend will see him differently, despite the complete and utter similarity between his straight and bi selves. that, and people who would like to have a go at gayness will seek him out as a first time try, knowing that he will not want a relationship from them.
 
 
waxy dan
15:39 / 30.04.03
his girlfriend will see him differently....
people who would like to have a go at gayness will seek him out as a first time try


Both of which are possibly true, and can be (speaking from experience of both) bloody annoying! But not nessecarily earth-shattering.
I do think, for some reason, that it's more acceptable generally for girls to experiment with their sexuality than guys, though I don't know why that is.


.... I've totally hijacked this thread... so, gingerbop.. what are you going to do about your parents?
 
 
Char Aina
15:47 / 30.04.03
yeah, miss bop, if you are lurking, has anyone been of any use at all?

what do you think you are going to do?
 
 
gingerbop
21:37 / 30.04.03
I am indeed, lurking. Im not entirely sure- Its not a hypothetical question, but it is at least, a fairly distant futured one, say a couple of years. Unless the Xmas dinner scenario was to come into practice.

Err, as for how bi- well i would say 30% gay. I definetaly wouldnt say its anything to do with it being cool, coz at the time, (3 years ago) i didnt of anyone who was bi, and i wrote in my diary that i thought i was falling for one of my friends, but the next day was so ashamed that i'd written it, i covered the whole page in black marker.

Hatstand, well, with viagra, would be extremely useful, but would mean i would need an *awful* lot of men. which i dont have. More hats than men, is what im trying to say.

Comparing this to vegetarianism is very interesting. I turned veggie when i was 9, and i was terrified to tell my mum. I built it up to be a HUGE thing for 2 weeks or so, and then i just told her and she was fine and no more was said. So hopefully they will have much the same outcome.

Someone said in another thread that they regretted that their dad never knew that they were gay. I saw that, and just.... i dont know, it made me shiver that without telling them, my parents may never know what is a fairly important part of me. So thanku everyone, for veering off the topic as well coz i like to read it anyhoo! Love, Bop xx
 
 
gingerbop
21:40 / 30.04.03
Wow, just wrote all that and i dont think i answered ur Q, toksik:
I think so, but maybe in a year or two. xx
 
 
The Falcon
00:34 / 01.05.03
That sounds good. Do it if and when you feel ready.
 
 
gotham island fae
15:32 / 01.05.03
Okay, get ready for my longest post to date...

First, even if someone said it, earlier, it bears repeating. If YOU feel it is important for your parent(s) to know, it is important to tell them. Though it is important to consider the effect it will have on them and the reaction they are likely to exhibit, the A-Number One, Top Priority, Most-Important-Consideration-in-this-Equation is what will make YOU feel grounded and complete. With bisexuality being the multi-faceted, continuous spectrum that I see it as, it is particularly important to determine for YOUR SELF how important it is that those around you are aware of it. With the ever-expanding takes on "what bisexuality is/means", knowing for yourSelf what you want and who you want to know is the first step towards sharing that with the world around you.

For my Self, my attraction to boys and men is enough of a constant reality that I have no problem answering people's questions regarding it, but I don't feel the need to wear my Kiss Me Twice. I'm Bisexual button, everyday. Nor did I feel the need to tell my mother or father about it.

My sister did. So, she did. I believe she wanted our mother to accept her diversity with open arms and love her because of it. That didn't work out so well. Pardon me while I judge my sister and her actions, but this is an example of doing it for the wrong reason. Having unreasonable expectations regarding the reactions one will receive is a sure-fire way to break one's own heart, in my not-so-humble opinion.

For my own disclosure, after the spat between her and my sis and my performance of three stage roles in a row involving homosexual sub-text and/or themes, my mother and I talked. It started with a discussion of why she was deciding to not attend my most recent theatrical endeavor (The Sum of Us), involving a man and his relationship with his gay son. Though it had not been vital that I disclose my own sexuality, I have always been a defender of "non-traditional" values in my family. As such, it bothered me quite a bit that my mother, step-father and grandparents were all unlikely to see what I consider one of the most natural and loving performances I have yet acheived. So, knowing what might be coming, I asked her to lunch with no more specific intention than to discuss why she wasn't coming.

There came that moment in the conversation when she asked me,"Have you had gay experiences?" (Poor thing, I could tell she was having trouble with the words.) I simply said,"Yes." Maybe because my sister had "broken the dam" and/or the vast differences in our sibling temperaments, the discussion, from there, went far better than my sister's announcement. In fact, Mama and I are talking more and more freely than we ever have. Knowing how well we are getting on, now, doesn't make me wish I had told her earlier, though. It was important for her to know, so she asked. I didn't need to announce it, so I waited to be asked.

It's all SOOOOO relative, gingerbop.

Best of luck and love.
 
 
grant
18:24 / 01.05.03
Hatstand, well, with viagra, would be extremely useful, but would mean i would need an *awful* lot of men. which i dont have. More hats than men, is what im trying to say.




Good Lord, woman, we've got *hands* too, you know!
 
 
gingerbop
18:35 / 01.05.03
Do you have 35 hands?
Maybe thats how you've done so many posts.
 
 
The Falcon
15:47 / 02.05.03
At this rate, bop, you'll overtake him in a year and a half.
 
  

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