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17:35 / 18.04.03

Bush now accuses Syria of having chemical weapons, substantial proof still lacking from Iraq. Has the world gone mad? Don't answer that! The question is, will the american public see the snark hunt for what it is, or will they consent to another war, much like a dumb dog running to the door when his master knocks on the wall?

17:47 / 18.04.03

Yeah, most Americans are just big dummies. Not me though, I plan on setting myself on fire in protest.

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

17:49 / 18.04.03

I believe that the weapons of mass distruction are on tour, opening for the Dead this summer and then going through the Middle East late this year into the election season. See them at a Clear Channel Venue near YOU!

22:45 / 18.04.03

Syria never signed onto the Chemical weapons Ban (unlike the US who did) so even if they DID possess such weapons... it would be Legal (as opposed to the US who has yet to provide proof that they distroyed their Chem-Weps in accordance to the ban)...

where the hel are those weapon inspectors when you need 'em!!!

13:19 / 19.04.03

If the greater majority of the voting American's can't be bothered to take enough interest in who will govern their own country (ie vote), why would they give two hoots about what that same government is doing abroad? as long as their allowed to by a gun they seem happy...

at the scarwash

18:43 / 19.04.03

Yep, that's us. Just a bunch of gun-totin' sister-fuckers who can't be fucking bothered about whether or not our leadership violates international law. Fuck, next we're going to go after mexico. I bet they've got planty of chemical weapons. It sure is a good thing the rest of the world is so aware of what utter morons we are. Maybe Scotland can invade and prevent us from breeding another generation of well-armed retards who want to take over the world.

21:30 / 19.04.03

Beset by falling approval ratings, a desperate U.S. president and his closest advisers launch a rally-round-the-flag campaign against the country's newest enemy -- Canada!

21:55 / 19.04.03

Now that would at least be amusing. Bombing Damascus will never be funny. Bombing Moose Factory or Niagra Falls would just be so absurd even the Canadians would love it. Maybe we should start a campaign for the Coalition to go after Canada's weapons...

Horus Hiesenburg

01:16 / 20.04.03

Maybe America should give back the statue of liberty, then bomb the iffle tower.

03:26 / 20.04.03

Canadians:
"Coalition to go after Canada's weapons..."...NOOOOO! They also double as our hockey sticks.
"quick Pierre...arm the moose."
"the what?"
"Le moose..armez le!hehehe....beer?"
Presidential spokesperson type:
"Its now clear the Canada does indeed possess a moose...in fact we believe it is hidding many mooses..uh..meese...um..nevermind, the point is that we have clear and undeniable evidence that moose is on the loose."
Press:
So what if they have moose...dont we?
Presidential spokesperson type:
"Thats definitly not the issue...the key issue here is they have yet to deny having moose thus prooving they're hidding something."
Press:
SO you're saying moose are a WOMD?
Presidential spokesperson type:
"A What?"
Press:
"Weapon Of Mass Destruction."
Presidential spokesperson type:
"Let me clarify, at this moment we are positive the canadians are specifically targeting church services but we wouldnt put it past them. We have also been informed through sources that they possess somthing they call beer...which is and enriched version of what we call beer but they call water. They're also considering legalizing pot. They must stop their never ending crusade to ruin the american way of life."
Press:
"So what are we doing about it?"
Presidential spokesperson type:
"We'll if you'll look at this map Canada is situated in this big blank blue area RIGHT ABOVE US!!!! You may know it better as The place the cold wind comes from....beyond that we know nothing about them."
Press:
"What about the moose?"
Presidential spokesperson type:
"What moose? Dont they have oil?"

Nietzsch E. Coyote

10:10 / 20.04.03

Yep we even have oil. Its in AL-BERT-A.
Obviously connected to AL-JEHZIR-A which is connected to
Iraq to Al-Qued-A to Osama Bin Laden who attacked us on 9/11.

And the Alamo.

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01:28 / 22.04.03

[rant]

See my profile. I am from the Evil Empire (tm). I'm even from the state whose election supervisors sold the 2000 presidential election (the vaguely penis-shaped one south of Georgia). Obviously, since Bush has declared the majority of educated Americans to be a "focus group", and one whose opinions he does not want to listen to, we're not about to be heard when we protest Syria either. There's only one way to stop the US that I can think of, and it requires the organized cooperation of every nation whose government is willing to take us on. That's massive economic sanctions, with aid packages to those nations who depend so heavily on trade with the US that their economies will collapse without them, the determination to stand together and not be duped by our stupid threats and promises, and enough military might to make even the arrogant bastards who run this show think twice.

The US is a rogue nation. All UN member nations must see this by now.I don't know how to say this other than, for the sake of the ideals I love, and which the US has ceased to stand by, possibly in my lifetime and possibly long before, the US must be stopped. If this is impossible, I'm getting the hell out. They've used enough of my taxes to line their pockets and buy more WMD's without my permission. Will Americans come to their senses? The majority of Americans with higher education already have. Most of the minorities haven't been voting for this either-- too bad they're systematically and illegally disenfranchised in my state. Will the UN send election supervisors here? Will they take seriously China's serious criticisms of our civil rights record? Or have the tentacles of American corporate culture penetrated so deeply into the pockets of the rest of the world that no one can stand before our awful might? I don't want to believe that. I really don't.

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at the scarwash

14:27 / 22.04.03

I'm with you, entitything. I confess to bristling rather furiously at the blanket accusations leveled at Americans as a whole. Even if our press is right about 70% being in favor of the war, 30% of our population is not a tiny number. However, we are being led by a psychopath of a muleteer, this I admit. Everything that I love about my country, all of the facets of being American that mean something to me are being flayed alive in front of us. I don't think I could ever abandon the US permanently. I guess I feel some vague responsibility to do my part, or at least exist in opposition to the perversion currently in office. Umm...Un-rant.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

11:15 / 23.04.03

Brief pause in the firing just to say, entitything and testpattern- I know there can sometimes be a certain degree of anti-Americanism here, but I don't think that was it. A lot of the English and Canadian posters on here (myself included in the former) who will glibly use the phrase "the Americans" and probably shouldn't, will also do the same about their own countries. I know I do. It's shorthand. It's not particularly clever shorthand, but it's done all the time. "The West". Does that include me? "The Iraqis". Which includes all segments of the country's population, including those oppressing them.

Sorry. Just re-read that and it sounded horribly condescendng. It wasn't supposed to. Just saying I don't think there was any offence meant.

Personally, I think Blair comes out of this whole "clinging to the WMDs excuse" thing worse than Bush... at least Bush was at least fairly honest about his intentions. By which I mean, he didn't lie particularly convincingly, or indeed like he was making any kind of effort, and he did have his own people's naked self-interest at heart. Blair came across as if he actually believed this shit, with a callous disregard for what this would mean for his country (vis a vis Europe particularly, of which he professes to be a fan, rather than the much-vaunted terrorist threat, which teh UK's had for fucking ages), the lives of those he claims to be liberating, and his own "big tent" ideology.

Don't get me wrong- there may be WMDs. There may be peace in Iraq. When I see it, I'll believe it.

But not before.

Linxy Kakenhoff

19:02 / 23.04.03

NO! THEY CAN'T HAVE OUR MEESE!
*ahem*
I think it's terribly amusing that Americans are now terrorising us Canadians. What's so bad about telling them to bugger off and fight their own wars? Need we remind them of that little friendly fire incident? Or how bout the war of 1812? (For those who suffer from the American school system, that's the war where America attacked us, and we proceeded to burn down the whitehouse).
Besides, if they ever attacked us it wouldn't be for our oil, it'd be for our water.

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18:38 / 24.04.03

M. Chairman:

Thank you for correcting my oversensitive ramble. I doubt many posters in this forum actually believe all americans are pro-war, or stupid. There seems to be a tendency to conflate the people of a nation with its government, particularly when referring to nations wherein governments supposedly represent the will of the people. I'm guilty of the same when I use the "peasant plural". (That's the use of the first-person plural by people in reference to their own government, when the people feel oppressed, disenfranchised, or underrepresented, especially to describe unpopular actions taken by their government supposedly on the people's behalf. Fr'instance, "We bombed Iraq." Obviously, I did no such thing, and neither did most Americans, but including myself in the statement sets up ironic contrast between the will of the people and the actions of the government. Unfortunately it's also probably indicative of the infamous liberal guilt complex.)

I don't think Bush's incompetence at lying excuses his attempt. Unless he actually is truly ignorant, or insane, which latter seems more and more likely with each passing Bushism. A psychiatrist has already "diagnosed" him informally as having "dry drunk" syndrome, and that was before the war.

15:13 / 26.04.03

Turns out that maybe, just maybe, there was a little exaggeration going on...

"We were not lying," said one official. "But it was just a matter of emphasis."

19:55 / 26.04.03

Yeah, well, I'm from Texas, home of Bill Hicks and J.R. "Bob" Dobbs. One of them may be dead and the other bone stupid, but a dead Bill Hicks and a "Bob" who needs killin' every day are worth any 10 live Bushes.

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19:43 / 28.04.03

Bill Hicks, Bob Dobbs, and the whole Bush clan... You have all the fun.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

15:38 / 29.04.03

...not to mention the divine Vernon...

14:07 / 01.05.03

You kids and your hopeful dreams! I must admit you've neglected the third party, the not giving a damn and loving it group! Now I'm not a Nero type, fiddling away while Rome burns, but come on, as an American and a Texan, I can honestly say that the govs never cared about my opinion. And consent in america is manufatured, notice slowley rising oil prices before war, and now slowly decreasing prices after, supposedly because of the troubles, even though Iraq only produces 9% of our oil? While other contries that produce more turn to shit and we do nothing? Need I remind you that fuel for transport and electrons is a major concern to an american, since everything is so spread out and we have so many appliances? The gov doesn't care and never has, "The biggest mistakes made about politicians in America is that they are dumb and that they mean well", J.R. Bob Dobbs. Our president is human, and every human looks out for his own self intrest, and when that person is insane, oh gods, and when he has power, so much power, what can the average citizen do that doesn't make him a terrorist or a coward or a traitor these days? I stoped caring because I have better things to do, I watch the news not for info, but more in the spirit of watching wrestling, wwe style wrestling. The suffering in Iraq is nothing but entertainment to me, how could it be anything else? How much would you give to stop the killing for one day? Do you think people wouldn't start right up again killing the next day, and the day after? What would you give then, what would you sacrifice to the alters of pity and mercy? Need I quote Boy, "Only misers save"? Do you really think we were ever free, not 50 years ago McCarthy was ruining lives in the name of America, how much history do i have to dredge up to make you see that this is a country founded by religious lunatics(PURITANS) and slave traders, and men who wanted to be away from the countrols of insane kings, and here we have the drama again, and you want to stay and save the permenantly MAD?Screw it I say, the worlds always been fucked up and it always will be, learn to live with it and you'll have HEAVEN on EARTH, don't and suffer as the Buddha suffered, your free to chose after all. There rant done.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

11:48 / 11.05.03

Need I remind you that fuel for transport and electrons is a major concern to an american

Fuck. In the UK, we just get them free as part of our atoms.

12:17 / 11.05.03

As a citizen of the Holy Methodist Empire of America I am wondering when the world will see Bush as the threat to world peace that he is. Perhaps we need to start a campaign asking the UN to come in and do a regime change smackdown on us. We obviously need Election Monitors in the south, we have problems with ethnic cleansing, again in the south... hmm... maybe in the 1860's we should have just let them go...

Anywho, where was I, damned opium makes me lose my train of thought...

Trains... cool...

oh, yeah, now I remember.

Help us!!! We need to be liberated from the tyranical Bush clan and his advisors. A bigger bunch of tyranical bozos has not walked the planet since Octavius and his cronies ruled Rome. We need to have our elections watched like any other bannanna republic recovering from dicatatorships.

INVADE US!!! HELP!!!

Outlaw

14:08 / 11.05.03

Yes please invade us, anyone but communist china, feel free, it sucks here, we don't get anything for free except punishment, I felt more free in Thailand then I've ever felt here in Emperial America, go ahead, never mind that most of our citizens have guns and would shoot an invading foreigner on site, please help us!!!

22:28 / 11.05.03

Communist China is probably the only country with the manpower to invade the U.S...if they just keep throwing soldiers at the problem. They could sneak in from canada and make their way downwards...heck, they can use the path in my backyard...I wont tell.

23:03 / 11.05.03

Guess they've given up trying to pretend there are any there, now:

US arms experts 'leaving Iraq'

The United States force directing the search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq is pulling out, according to The Washington Post.

The 75th Exploitation Task Force is dismantling its operations for a likely departure in June, says the newspaper, after the group failed to find any biological and chemical weapons.

Members of the team told the newspaper that they no longer expected to find such stocks, and that they had consistently found targets identified by Washington to be inaccurate, or to have been looted and burned.

The force will hand over to a new team, the Iraq Survey Group.

But, according to the Washington Post, the number of weapons experts in the new outfit has been significantly reduced and some units have already sent home as many as a third of their original complement.

The fact that they've already lost the argument because they said they knew exactly where the weapons were, and they obviously didn't, seems to have been lost on the world's press.

02:15 / 12.05.03

> fridgemagnzzzzz
> The fact that they've already lost the argument because they said they knew exactly where the weapons were, and they obviously didn't, seems to have been lost on the world's press.

Ya know, I keep wondering where this "Liberal Biased" press is. The press seems to be butt lickers for anyone in power. I am so sick of hearing conservatives bitch about the media being so biased... Blech..

Outlaw

04:27 / 12.05.03

The only thing I've seen the media be biased toward is money, and right now the money is in supporting the dubyas gubment. They don't have to pretend those weapons are anywhere, as long as someone keeps looking then they must be somewhere...

09:17 / 12.05.03

Maybe the next argument will be 'the looters took them'?

Our Lady of The Two Towers

12:41 / 12.05.03

Does anyone know why, having patently and embaressingly been unable to find them when they now control the country, the US Government hasn't gone back to the "They've all been hidden in the country we want to attack next" argument?

17:36 / 12.05.03

They might be waiting for the right time to act, they are greedy and bloodthirsty, but not stupid.

15:11 / 13.05.03

It's interesting that there's very little embarassment over the lack of weapons. The US admin can't even be bothered to hide how nonplussed they are about the whole thing.

10:07 / 16.05.03

I personally don't believe that the WMDs exist.

Although I have no "proof" to back that up, I believe the UN's report of 1998 which stated that 98% of the WMDs had already been de-commissioned and destroyed, but hardly mentioned in the UK or US establishment media.

I am surprised paticularly at Blair's heavy emphasis on the so-called "threat" to us by WMDs for several months before the war, despite security service reluctance. It was as if he was possessed by a demon, the mad glint in his eye, his war drumming was fanatical, he really wanted war so much...but even to lie through his teeth for?

I don't believe people who say Blair is sincere, I think he is a charleton, liar and fraud - but reckless and stupid too? It seems this may be the case

10:34 / 16.05.03

No doubt people saw this in the Guardian.

Funny how the Govt. 'leaked' the 'story' about Brown supposedly saying Britain hadn't passed the 5 economic tests on the very same day. Did a very good job of burying this story.

F*ckers. So, the whole reason for going to war WAS a sham, and no-one seems to really give a damn.

13:52 / 16.05.03

Actually the White House has all but officially changed their story now. It really was meant to be a shakedown and a global show of muscle and nothing more.

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