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Potguns
21:36 / 01.05.03
Yup that along with the locals coming up to...

Anyone else got anymore dreams they wanna share, let not let the thread die like this!
If not whats the next action we have to take to throw a spanner in the USUK works...
Pot
 
 
gravitybitch
02:13 / 02.05.03
The "next action" is more or less divinatory... Between the bits posted in this thread and some of the other dream threads (at least one on dragons, one general in conversation, probably one or two others), it's time to look at the images and themes (maybe with a question in mind) and see if the pieces string together into a narrative.

Possible questions are things along the lines of "Georgie, what the fuck are you thinking?" or "What is the nature of this beast?" or "How should I build the stake to drive through the heart of the tottering USUK regime??" or ....whatever....


Another possibility is to jump directly into intentional narratives - we have a sort of dream vocabulary to use in lucid-dreaming types of construction. Build blockades against the USUK edifice, derail W's mystery train, connect a coalition of freaks; colonize the dreamtime however you see fit.



And then post it here - let the rest of us charge the vision!
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:17 / 29.05.03
My dream recall's been crap for the past several weeks, but I thought I'd bump this thread in the hopes of collecting more recon data.
 
 
gravitybitch
04:47 / 30.05.03
Thanks for the bump!

Shrub is going to be at the G8 summit - lots of one-on-one interactions that might be amenable to dreamtime manipulation!!

There are also protestors by the thousands who could use support...

Things to think about (or dream towards, if you have control over your dream content): the world is NOT Bush's playpen. He WILL be held accountable in this world as well as the next, and must play well with others here&now.

Other world leaders may censure Bush for his unilateral decisions and callous disregard for everybody beyond the "chosen few"...


There are probably other visions that need to be fleshed out, posted for charging and release.
 
 
Zhi
07:21 / 30.05.03
just athought iz,

looks like the thread is starting to unravel.

rumsfelds slip up yesterday on the wmd thing.
Claims of britsh soldiers torturing Iraqis (two claims now)
Blurs visit to iraq - stage managed school children.

lets keep pulling on that thread........

Bush lost the election due to that major financial crisis,
Rumsfeld resigned from public life under strin but continue to try to play a role through business, he is increasingly misstrusted and sinking into isolation and paranoia
Tony Blair was the last british prime minister under the old two party system - there is now a hung parliment made up of a large amount of smaller parties PR is due to be introduced...a number of senior ministers and army officers are trying to avoid trial for war crimes and have fled to the US.
new Iragi regeme is increasingly seen as an imperialist stooge, Un and Us are forced to negotiated with the self governing Iraqi Autonomous Zone headed by a carismatic and mysterious female rebel leader.....
 
 
perceval
15:23 / 30.05.03

I think it's important to understand what Bush, Blair, and company are actually doing, what mythology they're working from, before you start playing with ideas to counter it (or at least make it less destructive).

It seems my idea a few months back that they were operating from an idealized myth of the Victorian era of British Imperialism is proving accurate. Look at what we're seeing. Now, we're discussing Iran as being "next", and Sharon seems intimidated into accepting a peace plan. The idea, here, would be to curb terrorism by forcibly stabalizing the region, making doing so profitable by controlling the oil, and making life better for the inhabitants. I don't think all of that talk about making life better for the people there is just talk. I think they really believe that's what they're doing. Think Kipling, and you'll understand the philosophy and thought processes at work, here. They're just using modern tools.

This presents problems on the American side, though. This is a country that's very existance and identity was based on a rejection of British Imperialism, after all. So, Dubya's marketing people are having to try to sell this as something other than what it is, as being honest about the oil factor would be rejected by most. It would be impossible to convince the American people that oil companies benefitting is worth American lives. With most of the media under the control of a very small handful of corporations, it makes the marketing easier, since dissenting voices have much more trouble being heard than they used to. So, we have an Administration that really does believe they're seeing the Big Picture, and taking the best actions for the greater good of everyone, but are having to lie to their own people about what they're doing. Everything is dependant on the Imperialistic approach actually having the desired effects, and that's something that's going to take some time if it does. They're having to portray it as a Black/White issue, Good vs Evil, so any dissent will be shouted down. The problem with the opposition is they are being as robotic and reactionary as the people shouting them down. They're maintaining this Black/White, Good vs Evil mentality, as much as Bush's marketing campain, just with Bush, Blair, and company in the demonic role. It's hard enough selling Saddam as the modern Hitler, but it's even harder selling Bush and Blair in that role. And rather pointless. You have to be willing to know what the opposition is trying to achieve, and why, before you can come up with a workable alternative. And, you NEED an alternative that solves the terrorism issue better than the one being implemented, as that's the primary selling point of the current approach. People are supporting this mainly because they consider it better than being blown up. If imposing control over the region is the wrong way, what's the RIGHT way? What's a better way to make the Middle East stable and peaceful, so there's less motive for terrorism? What's a better way to prevent more terrorist attacks? Or, do they just need to be up front that the Imperialistic approach is what they're doing, and just try to sell it as the best option availiable, and allow an honest debate over it?

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Chiropteran
14:07 / 20.07.04
How did I miss this the first time around?? Man.

I don't have much to add, but I'm *bumping* it because it's mad cool, and I want to hear how things are going...?

Meanwhile, take a look back at Perfect Tommy's dream about the dead Ronald Reagan and black hoods in the desert. Just sayin'.

Are the Dream Warriors still on the scene?

~L
 
 
grant
16:50 / 20.07.04
That's pretty damn interesting.....
 
 
gravitybitch
16:59 / 25.07.04
I don't think anybody's been working with this for quite some time. The thread seems to be good at slipping under the readar - I missed the *bump* completely!

I'm not even remembering my dreams right now, so I haven't got much to contribute. But there's Lammas, a Full Blue Moon, and an election coming up, so I'm quite happy to see that Lepidopteran resurrected this. It's another tool...
 
 
Skeleton Camera
18:22 / 25.07.04
I didn't know about the Full Blue Moon...that is fascinating to know. And don't forget Mabon in September!
 
 
thomas the doubter
20:49 / 25.07.04
If you allow me to offer some of my ideas:
Maybe you can fight the structures of fear with a kind of barbelith meme. Something cosy, warm, utero-like should force fear to fuck off. Take away the fear by introducing the feeling of security and peace, like a baby in its mother's womb. They can still think in their black/white, terror/security shemes but let them think they reached the other side their yin's yang.
I hope I was able to express what I meant and that it isn't a too stupid idea.
 
 
gale
16:06 / 26.07.04
I don't think that's a stupid idea at all, Thomas.

Lately, most of my dreams have been so ridiculous that instead of using comforting imagery, it will be easier for me to fight fear with laughter.

Another tool, indeed!
 
 
Perfect Tommy
19:03 / 26.07.04
Lepidopteran: Somehow it's always a surprise when it actually works, isn't it?

I'm excited about this project again, so I threw together something very half-assed on the wiki, split into two major sections: Reconnaissance (in which we just collect all the dream imagery we can), and Decryption/Encryption (take that data and give it a spin.) I was thinking we could keep collecting dreams and dream narratives here, but that the wiki makes for a good place to summarize what we generate.

Pardon the early '90s psiberpunk jargon, but this seems to be a project about feeding the noise back into the system. Taking the imagery that is floating about the ether, and creating something that looks the same but is completely different, like the friendly-looking protein coat of a nasty virus. I think this is a project that calls for multiple simultaneous approaches instead of a single grand servitor launch—I mean, are we sexy occult anarchists or what?

Also, the link about using dream techniques to bring about better cooperation did not originally seem relevant—but now it seems vital. The US is very fractious these days; furthermore, there's a lot of argument amongst those who opposed the war, in that some think the troops need to be pulled out now, others think we made a mistake but now we're in it for the long haul, some see Kerry as no different from Bush, and so forth. Influencing the oneirosphere to be a little more unified, with less Us vs. Them (regardless of which Us and which Them we're talking about), can only be good.
 
 
Skeleton Camera
19:13 / 26.07.04
Practical question: how are we thinking of actually influencing said dreamtime/oneirosphere? Mentions of servitors and narratives...what else?

(My dreams have been vivid, intense, and unremember-able lately. Probably due to my bad sleep schedule.)

I'm thinking of using available media surfaces (everything from flyers to zines to online bulletins) to present various hopeful messages. A group of me fellow students graffitied the city last spring with slogans such as "Stay Positive" and "Use Your Voice" - to what effect, ???, but the power was in the positivity.
And I'm fascinated by the presence of various information within other structures (in English, say, the "signs" used in band flyers, in newspaper covers, on posters). You could easily turn those signs around to have different psychological effects. Or incorporate sigils into them. If Chad's POTUS sigil went up, people would think it a band of some sort. Especially if you threw it up with a date beneath it - say, ELECTION DAY??

Hmmm....
 
 
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23:16 / 26.07.04
Practical question: how are we thinking of actually influencing said dreamtime/oneirosphere? Mentions of servitors and narratives...what else?

This is a thread that seems to have infinite opportunities, i've been kind of waiting for some ideas to come up but i haven't had much luck so far. I'm hoping to have something soon though.

I was thinking of putting a sigil of sorts into the header design of the website that i hope to have made soon, and also maybe something Kabbalistic, like going up to Tiphareth and on the way back down sending a burst of positive solar energy into the astral space between Yesod and Malkuth as i come back down. I'm really hoping for something more focused though.
 
 
gravitybitch
01:43 / 27.07.04
One possibility is to take the dream-bits and string them into a narrative (a la the Jaye Beldo site), then treat that as a pathworking. It would probably make for a great in-person group trance session...

The wiki looks great, thanks!! I'll pick over the dream bits and see if I can pull together a story-line of some sort.

Meanwhile, we are working with dreams. I suspect that we can borrow a bit or two from the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, who also had a dream...
 
 
Chiropteran
02:04 / 27.07.04
When it comes to debunking and discombobulating dominant myths of paranoia, I think it is obligatory to mention Robert Brezsny, the pronoiac macho-feminist astrologer and dream-smith. Let the doom-sayers quail:

"Do you remember your dream of the saintly anarchists burning heaven to the ground? That was real. That was us. We can't in good conscience tolerate institutions that kill people with love.

Do you remember your dream, from the night before your seventh birthday, of the janitors with the pet vultures taking the garbage out from under your bed? That was real. That was us. We own all trash everywhere, after all. We were just ministering to what's ours.

We're inside your shadow, beauty and truth fans, helping you use your terror to become rich and famous -- if that's what you want.

We're percolating up from the ground beneath you, bringing you the Gnostic African Buddhist music of the ever-growing roots -- if that's what you want.

Like a tick in the navel of the seven-headed, ten-horned beast of the apocalypse, we're even riding on the underbelly of tonight's satellite transmission from CNN, MTV, UFO, and CIA, broadcasting to you on location from wherever we happen to be at the moment -- if that's what you want.

We're all around you -- if that's what you want -- or nowhere to be seen -- a secret keeping itself, like nature -- if that's what you want.

So. What do you want, anyway?


At the least he's inspiring reading (everything I would've wanted Discordianism to have turned out to be) -- and who's to say he wouldn't want in on the action?

The man writes like he's been to the far side of the moon, people.

I may be back later with more dream-specific stuff later... but now to bed.

Have fun, and don't get caught.

-L
 
 
gravitybitch
02:29 / 27.07.04
Yeah. I love Rob; thanks for the link.

I desperately want to see something happen between The Pope and The Reagan, not sure what.

What I have so far: feel free to cut, paste, spindle&mutilate:

Prince George is following the Popemobile in his own slap-dash wannabe-mobile, trying to keep up and in general being pathetic. He comes across a squad of the F16 pilots in their Swan Lake leotards; they try to help him catch up to the Pope but he curses them as queers and faggots who just want to get married to have legal sodomy, so they pirouette away and leave him to muddle onwards.

George catches up to the Pope, who is waiting for the army to cross the Euphrates. There is no army, yet, nothing going on at all. George gets bored, starts chatting up the embedded journalists and providing sound-bites, but every time he tells an untruth, the journalist he’s talking to puts on a necklace of twigs and vines, then falls to the ground and disappears, just leaving the black hood/gas mask on the ground. Each journalist who has “disappeared” wakes up from the VR simulation and goes off to tell the truth/live happily ever after/ ummm - I don’t know.

This seems kind of heavy-handed…
 
 
Perfect Tommy
07:36 / 27.07.04
My preference is to dream further using our imagery as a kernel, so I wouldn't be concerned about heavy-handedness; the resulting dreams will recombine seamlessly, taking what they want and piss on the rest.

I dig much of that, iszabelle. One thing that comes to mind, wrt the Pope and some administration myths: there's the apocalyptic Christian viewpoint of the war, but there's also the Pope and Jimmy Carter who opposed the war on their interpretations of their faith. I wish Christian anti-war movements got more press, and perhaps it can get some in our dreams.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
07:40 / 27.07.04
Oh, one more thing that I wanted to touch on: we've got some imagery of us in here, as VR journalists and cross-gendered folks covered in gasoline. It might be useful to be aware of those images, with the aim of boosting each other's work. (Just so long as we're not so self-aware as to vanish up our own arses, of course.)
 
 
Perfect Tommy
22:51 / 02.05.05
I saw this website and instantly thought of this thread:

"Slow Wave is a collective dream diary authored by different people from around the world, and drawn as a comic strip by Jesse Reklaw. A new strip is uploaded every week on the first minute of Saturday in San Francisco; 3 AM in Ottawa, ON; 5 AM in London, UK; and 3 PM in Sydney, Australia. Bookmark this page and check back each week for the latest 'Wave!"
 
  

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