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Ever feel really sick of yourself...?

 
  

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Ganesh
23:32 / 10.04.03
To answer this properly, yes, I get 'self-loathing' days when it seems to me that everything I've ever done is shit, pointless, fake. They used to happen at times of great anxiety and life-change: the gap between sitting an exam and hearing the results, say, or, during our more recent year apart, every time Xoc and I said our railway-station goodbyes. As well as self-loathing, those Sunday Evening partings were suffused with sickly crushing guilt, my laceration of choice.

I think I'm growing out of those feelings. They tend, these days, to be confined to hangover days - and those ones have a peculiarly 'chemical' feel to them, as if the guilt arises directly from some depleted or temporarily alcohol-fucked neurotransmitter - and are generally bearable. I've never been driven to the point of trying to physically expel the badness, either by purging, vomiting or cutting, but I can certainly understand the urge.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:06 / 17.04.03
Me. I'm feeling very sick of myself right now. I've got this thingy to write (yes, another one of those evenings...) and I said I'd hand it in tomorrow, along with the other thingy which is nearly finished but neads tweaking because it's too long. And I have been totally pathetic about it today and as a result haven't even started writing it properly (there are some older pieces I've written which will go in it, but they'll need restructuring). Usually I leave things late so that the sense of urgency spurs me on to do the blighters, but it doesn't seem to have worked this time - I can't summon anything up. I don't really know what I want to say, which is part of the problem - been working on it for so long that I can't see the wood for the trees any more. And I know I have to do it, because there's realistically very little chance that I'll manage to write about, ooh, seven thou. words by 5pm tomorrow even if I start right now and don't sleep.

Why do I sabotage my own life, I ask myself? Pre-empting inevitable failure?
 
 
Olulabelle
20:10 / 17.04.03
I feel really sick of myself. And angry and upset, and I'm seriously hurting.

So what do you do when you feel so sick of yourself you can't even bear your own company?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:24 / 17.04.03
Talk to someone? Unfortunately that seems to be the only thing that stops me feeling as if I want to scratch all my skin off, from the inside. It's just a shame I always seem to make myself feel like this late a night when I've got things to write.

My mother would say, read a funny book, but that never works for me; I can't concentrate.

I'm sorry you're feeling bad, old thing - at least in my case I know what I should be doing to stop it. It's rotten when there's nothing you can do to change things, isn't it?
 
 
Olulabelle
20:34 / 17.04.03
Thanks Kit Cat, it really is hard when you can't control any of the things that happen to you, and I think sometimes we feel trapped inside ourselves a bit.

I think you're right that what you're doing is pre-empting inevitable failure, because that's how a lot of us see the end result for ourselves, but actually it's completely untrue. It's the 'not giving yourself enough credit' thing. I bet when you've finished it you'll be justifiably really proud.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:43 / 17.04.03
What touching faith in me ;-)

It won't be brilliant, but that's because I don't know how to say what I don't know whether I want to say... (as you can see I am having some problems translating my half-formed thoughts into language). But I can amend it later, thank goodness, this is only preliminary...

I think you're right that we feel trapped inside ourselves - 'why can't I take my body off??' Corporeal existence sometimes seems to be a real handicap, because you can't get away from yourself...

'I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas'
 
 
Char Aina
20:49 / 17.04.03
Look I'm not usually the one to endorse medication, but hey, I think there’s a color of the pharmaceutical rainbow for every little bump life vomits up.


does anybody have a clue what i am on about and who i am trying to quote when i say "i mean, when have you ever heard someone say 'he really came out of his shell since he started doing those drugs'?"
 
 
Olulabelle
20:51 / 17.04.03
Ooh, I really like that. Who is it? Where from?

It's not my body that's the problem. It's my emotional self I want a rest from. I always used to say (about hangovers) that if I had a flip top head and could just lift my brain out and put it in a bucket of Perrier water, I'd feel much better, but now I think it applies to calming my emotions down too.

When I get sad and upset it all just seems to get so hot and explode-y in my brain.
 
 
Olulabelle
20:53 / 17.04.03
(That referred to Kit Cat, BTW)

I have heard that expression Toksik, but I've no idea where.

Trouble is that with medication, people end up relying on it.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:03 / 17.04.03
It's TS Eliot, 'The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock'... I've had those lines running through my head all day, and now I know why...

I tend to feel as if I want to express the hot and explodey brain thingy in some sort of physical act though (of violence, visited upon myself). I don't, but - that's what I meant by wanting to scratch all my skin off. Not quite like Eustace in The Voyage of the Dawn Treader when Aslan rips all his scratchy dragon skin off, but... I feel uncomfortable in myself because of all the tension, I suppose.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:13 / 17.04.03
Yes I know that feeling. With me it manifests itself in digging my fingernails into my hands, or biting the skin around my nails till I bleed. They say that any kind of habit where you pick at yourself is a mild from of self harm - even chewing your lip, but I don't know *anyone* that doesn't have some sort of 'physically destructive' habit so we all must be secret self harmers!

Tension doesn't help control the emotions either, you can tend to get yourself all in a tiz - you know when you've got so much to do you can't do anything, and wander around procrastinating and cleaning the tops of cupboards? For the last week or so I’ve done pretty much nothing other than smoke, sit on my computer all day posting here, and goon around on the Internet. What I actually *should* be doing is finding a flat, a job, sorting my money out, and address the immediate problems, in order to find myself in a position where I am better able to deal with the stress.

It's basically flat-lining.

I nearly posted a thread asking for advice on how to stop it, but I thought everyone might just think I was being ridiculous.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:27 / 17.04.03
Crikey, I don't think anyone would think you were being ridiculous - my opinion is, that you've just had a really horrible time (from what I can gather from the board) and a major upheaval, am I right? So you shouldn't be punishing yourself for feeling washed-out and floopy, or for getting miserable and not knowing how to cope with it... it sounds as though you need to do what you have to do to get by and let yourself recover from the inital blaaaargh of it all; and there's nothing wrong with not being able to face finding a job and a flat all at once, because let's face it those are not minor and stress-free things. One thing at a time...
 
 
Olulabelle
21:39 / 17.04.03
You're so right, they're not minor and stress free, and I've not really been considering that. I've just always been one of those people who goes 'La la la, it'll all be fine, I can cope.' Only now that doesn't seem to be working. I guess I don't feel I've got the right to be stressed in a way, because it's a major upheaval of my own making. My idea, so I should be happy, right?

Blaaaagh is very funny, I shall acknowledge that's how I feel!

Hmmm, maybe I will post it after all then. I am sure there are loads of people like you who have good helpful advice to offer, and anyway, it might make me feel better....

Thanks Kit Cat. *Hugs*.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:55 / 17.04.03
*Hugs* to you as well.

As for how you should be feeling, humbug - it's what you are feeling that you have to cope with, and the last thing you need is to blame yourself for it. I imagine you know that, but sometimes it's good to hear it from other people, nicht wahr?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:57 / 17.04.03
Erk, sorry if I sound a bit 'thou shalt', I just hate seeing people beating themselves up for feeling bad...
 
 
Olulabelle
22:05 / 17.04.03
Yes, it really *is* good to hear it from other people, and no, you really don't sound thou shalt. Just thoughtful. It's good advice, maybe it should go in the good advice thread, too!

It's just sometimes, if enough people tell you you're being selfish and mean, you start to believe them even if previously you didn't agree with them and you were all focused about your reasons and motives. I guess you just have to try and hold on to how you feel, and ignore the doomsayers...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
22:24 / 17.04.03
Yeah, it's hard, isn't it. But you're right, you need to listen to the bit of you that says 'but I know I was right!'. It's horrid to think that other people think badly of what you've done, but I think you know when you've been kidding yourself about something or other, and I think it's more important to listen to yourself than it is to other people, especially when a major change is involved... courage.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
00:13 / 18.04.03
Oh well - I needn't have worried about pre-empting failure because my fucking computer has done it for me... I am actually weeping with rage. I will now proceed to feel sick of myself for not having checked that I had it on automatic save.
 
 
Olulabelle
00:50 / 18.04.03
NO. Oh no. Oh Kit Cat. I'm so sorry.

Kinda my fault due to the online counselling maybe....

Feel sick of your computer, not yourself. It's not your fault. Repeat to fade.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
01:02 / 18.04.03
Aw, bless you.

No, nothing to do with me being online - just a temperamental beast of a machine and me being a bit of a fathead.

Bit more philosophical now - I am employing the trick of turning a problem into a benefit: 'it needed reconceptualising anyway' - I could have done without having to reconceptualise it the night before handing it in, but as I said it is only a preliminary version.

'My computer crashed' is a really shit excuse though, isn't it?
 
 
Olulabelle
01:12 / 18.04.03
Well. It's better than 'the dog ate it.'

But that's not much help.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:58 / 19.04.03
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*gets dizzy*
*barfs*

PS: I think yr super, Chol.
 
  

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